First study on motorcycle accidents

[pucara]

I hope that they involve every state

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mor...-1226263168517

[WhiteNoize]

Did you read the article or just the title?

[speed3]

All the bodies involved are Victorian so I'd say it'll be there only. I think most bikers will know that a small percentage will be riders fucking up and the rest will be them getting taken out by others. At least if there's some firm stats then there might be a push for increased training/awareness from other road users.

[WhiteNoize]

Dont be silly, it will just lead to heavier fines and punishments.

[Rosco327]

Rat750 signature says it really

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I'm sure there have been more studies into this subject over the years and whilst there will be a percentage, although I would imagine it to be a very small percentage, of accidents where the rider was a fault
I would imagine the word "inattentive" in that sticker would cover the greater percentage of the recorded accidents. I would also imagine that the other studies that have been done would show the inattentive
factor and would also have stated that better driver training was at least part of the answer.

[Nero Diablo]

"Variables involving speed in crashes will also be put under the microscope."

Wanna pick the results?

They've never heard of the Hurt and Hurt II reports either, although the Hurt reports didn't call for front number plates so obviously they were biased.

[Cap'n James086]

I think a larger percentage of accidents are the rider's fault than you guys are making out. I'm guessing somewhere around 50% of accidents. I think fatalities will be less often the rider's fault.

[Gippo]

not much info in this, but had a chuckle at "1100 riders, half of whom have survived crashes - will be recruited"

Guess they'll only find 550 that will talk to them eh?

This stinks of an insurance boosting study. Raise cover in superannuation for TPD for motorcyclists etc etc etc....murdercyclists etc etc etc....

[Rhino]

I think a larger percentage of accidents are the rider's fault than you guys are making out. I'm guessing somewhere around 50% of accidents. I think fatalities will be less often the rider's fault.

Did you just make those stats up on the spot, or did you get them from Today Tonight?

[onrails]

nice bike

[Mags]

World-first study on cause of serious motorbike accidents? Fine, but isnt that obvious? They should invest those moneyz on better traning/courses (for any drivers), but thats just my opinion.

[rabbit]

I don’t remember one accident I have seen on a psb ride where it was not the riders fault. Of all the accidents I have seen on the track I have only seen one where one rider took another out so fault becomes arguable.
I think most crashes are a result of rider experience and ability. There is little room for error and no room for panic on a motorbike because motorbikes are more difficult to control safely in an emergency situation( even a perceived emergency situation) then a car.
It is a numbers game with learning to ride a motorbike some will not get it rite all of the time and accidents will happen in the learning proses.
Take these common assumptions
"It is usually a cage's fault" if this was true then there would be no crashes at Barbs with no cages and everyone going the same direction.
The media fav. "Speed was the involved" if speed was the cause of crashes then all of the crashed at Barbs would be in group 4 where the bikes are being pushed to their limits and the speed is well f**king fast. But there are more crashes in the slower groups, this points to rider anxiety and skill level having a large influence. As traffic, road surface, unexpected corner or obstruction wild animals etc. have been eliminated in this example.

And that Study will be just another talkfest.
Imagine the valuable information you will gain from talking to riders who actully made it around a corner where someone crashed.
And even more enlightening will be the stunning info to be gleaned from riders for safely negotiated a straight bit of road where a crash occurred!

[pucara]

Did you read the article or just the title?

Yes I've read it. Even though that relates to VIC riders, I though that will be a good idea to have the psb members opinions. As this is goverment funded, and few good and bad outcomes may occur. Good things perhaps more courses for newbies, more campaigns focus on motorcycles to create a constant awareness, etc. Bad things more REVENUE, REVENUE, REVENUE ! If good things happens will not be a bad idea to do it nationally. My 2 cents

[51 New West]

From the Bureau of Statistics 2006 - Motorcycle fatalities

.................................................. .................................................. .Male Female Total
Motorcycle rider injured in transport accident (V20-V29)............................221....11.....232
Motorcycle rider injured in collision with car, pick-up truck or van (V23)........81......6......87
Motorcycle rider injured in collision with fixed or stationary object (V27).......78......3......81
Motorcycle rider injured in noncollision transport accident (V28)..................np......np....20
Motorcycle rider injured in other and unspecified transport accidents (V29)...24......-......24



Draw your own conclusions, 37.5% of bike fatalities were a result of collisions with cars. Nothing on how much input cars had with the other accidents, but probably not that much, certainly not the extra 60% needed to make cars responsible for all but a poofteenth of bike accidents.

[51 New West]

Oh, and Spock posted this 5 years ago

New motorcycle accident statistics

[shmoo]

From the Bureau of Statistics 2006 - Motorcycle fatalities

.................................................. .................................................. .Male Female Total
Motorcycle rider injured in transport accident (V20-V29)............................221....11.....232
Motorcycle rider injured in collision with car, pick-up truck or van (V23)........81......6......87
Motorcycle rider injured in collision with fixed or stationary object (V27).......78......3......81
Motorcycle rider injured in noncollision transport accident (V28)..................np......np....20
Motorcycle rider injured in other and unspecified transport accidents (V29)...24......-......24



Draw your own conclusions, 37.5% of bike fatalities were a result of collisions with cars. Nothing on how much input cars had with the other accidents, but probably not that much, certainly not the extra 60% needed to make cars responsible for all but a poofteenth of bike accidents.

God, your interpretation of statistics is as bad as the muppets at TT/ACA.

For a start, those stats don't mention fatalities, they're talking about injury.
edit - ok the headline says fatalities, but the table of stats clearly mentions injury.

...certainly not the extra 60% needed to make cars responsible for all...

and this ^^^ - how on earth do you arrive at a conclusion about who's responsible for the accidents from those stats? "Motorcycle rider injured in collision with car, pick-up truck or van" - that doesn't apportion blame, it is just as likely the rider was at fault in those accidents.

[Nero Diablo]

In inter vehicle collisions I would expect to be 50/50 drivers/riders fault human beings been what they are and who they are. Any other variation suggests other factors involved something else going on.

[g0zer]

There is little room for error and no room for panic on a motorbike because motorbikes are more difficult to control safely in an emergency situation( even a perceived emergency situation)

yeah.. i once watched an inexperienced rider just ride straight off a very gentle turn at a very gentle speed (straight onto the wrong side of the road then for maybe 30 or 40m) then into the fucking bush! he was following another rider so had the big clue where the road was.. was one of those gentle corners over a crest where you cannot see the road behind the crest and seemed to me they became momentarily confused and just completely froze up.

i was told that not long after that crash they had another bad crash which doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

[rabbit]

Those blind crested corners still do my head in especialy rt handers.
We have all had "oh shit" moments, some of us where lucky and got away with it. Sadly some others where not so lucky.
It is all part of the learning prosses, there is no way for the government to regulate safety into peoples heads.

[Cap'n James086]

Did you just make those stats up on the spot, or did you get them from Today Tonight?

The word guessing means I don't have statistics to quote, I (naively) assumed people would understand that. No more nor less credible than Rosco327's "very small percentage" or speed3's "small percentage". Your attempt to ridicule me was cute, I'm sure one day you'll get it right.