Forgoing a learner bike and going straight for a big bike

[Logos]

I know this topic is going to get me flamed, and associated with a certain sea crustation, but ive been thinking about it quite a bit recently, and i want to hear opinions from both sides, ie anyone thats tried it or anyone thats got a lot of motorcyle riding behind them.

The reason i ask this is, in august this year ill be eligable for my R class, now it dosnt seem to be around the corner, but my financal state really only permits me to buy one bike this year. To me, it seems a bit of a waste to save up, purchase a 250, ride on it for a couple of months (2-3) if that, then sell up and buy a big bike, when i could just spend the entire time up until my R's saving up as much as possible to go straight for a bike i want.

My original plan was to buy a 675 daytona or a Gixxer of some variety(600 or a 750), however ive developed an utter obsession with the new Gsxr1k, while it seems utter lunacy and stupidity, I have not ruled out going straight for a GSXR1000...

The only sane reasons I can see purchasing a big bike straight away is Im quite cautious. My first car for an example, in still stock form is quicker then any model SS ute, the vast majority of skylines, silvias, wrx's etc. Yet when it came to doing silly things in it(speeding, drifting, burnouts whatever), i waited many months before i was comfortable doing it (I made sure i learned every dimension about the car before attempting pushing any boundaries)

Same story with my dirtbike, I was rather cautious with this and only began attemping anything out there after spending a while learning how it behaves. I owned the bike for over 3 years and only just before i sold it I attempted doing a wheelie, and never even attempted to jump it either.

I think the easiest way to explain this is: Ive got a healthy respect for the machine, and i know without respecting whatever machine it is, be it cage or bike, youll never control it safely.

But these still dont really replace the fact im intrested in an insanely powerful bike, and I'm forgoing any time spent learning how to ride, and spending my "learning" period so to speak, on something thats far less forgiving, be it 1000 or a 600, and whilst I might be able to ride the bike comptently, I could be lacking valuable skills such as reading traffic positioning, and avoiding potential hazards.

I know its a long post, but obviously the reason ive written it is to get opinions and seek a bit of guidance.

[T_B R1]

the "healthy respect" is good and you are probably unlikely to kill yourself however, the problem is the law. If you get caught, you're fucked.
Oh and the insurance issue. Probably won't find many places that will insure you if you aren't licensed for that bike. So if finances are a problem think what it will be like if you through a 15K bike down the road with no insurance....

[Nero Diablo]

ROBBO!!! Its Hammer time!!!

[Logos]

Sorry, I didnt really make that part clear, I meant rather then purchasing a 250 and riding it around now whilst on my R-E, then riding on that for however long it is until i can purchase a big bike, save all my money and purchase an R class bike when Ive got the R class license,

[nubbly5]

Something from another newbies perspective......

Been on a 250cc for 6 months can go for big bike license in June...... for Christmas I bought myself a big bike (kept 250 for riding when no shadow available). I ride like a nanna and to tell you the truth I am 100% glad that I have had the chance to ride the 250 for some time before getting onto the biggun. Having riden my 800cc now a few times with shadow I am amazed and the subtle differences and am glad I could hone my skills on the 250 first. I still reckon I could soooooo easily kill myself on the big bike.

HOWEVER, I have only ever ridden a few farm bikes in the past so I probably don't have the same base skills as one who has been riding dirt bikes for a while......

[Cbr1k]

[Logos]

The thought has crossed my mind a few times hahah

[Nero Diablo]

BTW your WRX's silva's Nissan GTR's etc etc will be slow compared to a litre bike they will have been in no way preperation of what you are suggesting to take on.

[shmoo]

I'm just confused about your math skills....I mean according to detailed calculations i've just completed on an excel spreadsheet, August is 8 months away not 2-3.

[Kryzaach]

Hmmm, seeing as you say that money is the limiting factor, can you afford insurance/excess payments if you smash your bike?

A bike like that is really in a completely different class to that car of yours.
It's faster to 100 than a bugatti veyron for shits sake.

If I was you, I'd get a 2 grand bunky and thrash its balls off for a year or two.

(Saying that you have to choose between something that costs a few k and something that costs a few 10's of k doesn't really ring true to me. It sounds to me like you "Just want one"tm. In which case, go for it but be careful. I doubt anyone will be able to talk you down from it anyway...)

[Logos]

BTW your WRX's silva's Nissan GTR's etc etc will be slow compared to a litre bike they will have been in no way preperation of what you are suggesting to take on.

Completly agree with what youre stating, ie the power/weight ratio of any bike is far beyond any street legal car and on top of that, completly differnt way of operating it, any person can drive a car, but riding a bike is a lot more to ask. I was more so making the point that for a first car its not exactly slow, and i never spent any time driving anything that was docile

[Logos]

I'm just confused about your math skills....I mean according to detailed calculations i've just completed on an excel spreadsheet, August is 8 months away not 2-3.

Sorry, again poorly expressed what i was trying to get at, it was more so the fact that by the time i can afford to purchase any bike at all, ill have 2-3 months before ill be eligable to have a big bike.

[Logos]

Hmmm, seeing as you say that money is the limiting factor, can you afford insurance/excess payments if you smash your bike?

A bike like that is really in a completely different class to that car of yours.
It's faster to 100 than a bugatti veyron for shits sake.

If I was you, I'd get a 2 grand bunky and thrash it's balls off for a year or two.

(Saying that you have to choose between something that costs a few k and something that costs a few 10's of k doesn't really ring true to me. It sounds to me like you "Just want one"tm. In which case, go for it but be careful. I doubt anyone will be able to talk you down from it anyway...)

You are correct in the "i want just want one" statement, and like ive stated before, the car is a poor comparisson to a litre bike, but the faster to a 100 then a veyron is a bit of an eye opener.

By 2 grand bunky, do you mean a learner bike capacity still?


mind you, the mentioning of a 1000 bike was the extreme case, as I was originally considering just going for a 675 or 600. But yes, the opinions flowing through do reasure my thought that going for a thousand straight away is suicide

[shmoo]

Sorry, again poorly expressed what i was trying to get at, it was more so the fact that by the time i can afford to purchase any bike at all, ill have 2-3 months before ill be eligable to have a big bike.

yeah, I was just being cheeky

If it were me in your position, I'd drop 2-3 grand on a bunky 250, then upgrade when you can afford it. On a cheap bunky, you will basically get your money back.

[zed7fiddy]

I had my R-E for 10 months and had an unfortunate accident that wrote off my ZZR 250.

I had the same problem. Should I buy another 250 so I can still get around easily, sell it then buy a big bike, or just go straight for the big bike? Fortunately for me I had a spare car so I went out and got myself a Z750. I have never looked back. I get good practise on it at learner rides and with other shadows and although it's not a daily rider at the moment, I can't wait for the freedom that will come in a month when I hopefully get my R lisence.

I've found there's two sides to the story really, the good thing about 250's is that they hold their value REALLY well, so you should be able to sell it for what you paid for it, good idea to go this way if you've got no other transport.

On the other hand, the experience I'm getting on my 750 is invaluable and although it's odd occasions I will never go back to a 250... proportionally, the big bike is better in every way and I feel so at home on it now I'm fully confident for my test. I like being able to practise on it well in advance of the test and get confident riding it around....

It's up to you what you do, I wouldn't be afraid of a GSXR1000 if that's what you want but if it's a daily rider and you want it to be practical, perhaps a 750 or a 600 may suit your purposes better.

[Emily]

From my extremely limited knowledge of bikes, if you buy a 250 and ride it for 6 months, keep it in good condition, usually you can sell it for about the same price you paid for it.
Or did I miss the point of the thread?

EDIT: Ha, I was like 2 minutes too late >_<

[g0zer]

you should buy the coolest looking and most powerful bike you can afford

only jealous haters will care if you can actually ride it

[akeracat]

Go for it

My first and only bike is the 750 I currently ride which I brought once I got my R class. I rode around a 1000 until I brought the 750

You'll get the haters but at the end of the day

Its your choice your money

Enjoy your new 1000

[Logos]

From my extremely limited knowledge of bikes, if you buy a 250 and ride it for 6 months, keep it in good condition, usually you can sell it for about the same price you paid for it.
Or did I miss the point of the thread?

Nah youre still a bit on topic, as i said money is a limiting factor, but once i fork out for rego, insurance etc (full comp), stamp duty in some cases, its 3 grand or so that i will never get back.

The bike might be able to sold back for close to its original value.

[Desmo]

Just buy it, I can't foresee anything bad happening, just ride it, fuck the haters.
I'm sure you can take a few sneaky rides whilst you wait for your licence/test too. Or just beg here for a shadow, someone will put their hand up.
Don't worry about insurance either, and you can pick up helmets really cheap these days if you are on a budget.
Under $100.