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    New Licensing Regulations Make Learning To Ride Safer

    This only applies to Eastern states right?


    Breaking : LAMS now official from July 1
    Posted by tonye on 5/6/2008 9:49:43 (81 reads)
    edia Release from the Minister's Office.

    Wednesday, 4 June, 2008

    NEW LICENSING REGULATIONS MAKE LEARNING TO RIDE SAFER

    New regulations for Learner and Probationary motorcyclists are to come into effect on 1 July under the Brumby Government’s new Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS).

    Parliamentary Secretary for Roads and Ports, Martin Pakula said the introduction of LAMS in Victoria will contribute to a more consistent approach to vehicle restrictions for learner and newly licensed riders.

    “Under LAMS, learner and novice riders will have access to a range of motorcycles and scooters suitable for their level of experience,” Mr Pakula said.

    “Novice riders will only be permitted to ride motorcycles on the approved LAMS list which includes bikes with power-to-weight ratios not exceeding 150 kilowatts per tonne and engine capacities not exceeding 660cc.

    “The scheme will also restrict learners from using high powered, race replica 250cc bikes that are known to be dangerous for inexperienced riders.”

    A list of acceptable motorcycle and scooter models that can be used by learner and novice riders is available on the VicRoads website and will be updated as suitable new models come onto the market.

    Mr Pakula said the list of motorcycle and scooter models will keep new riders informed about which bikes they can ride.

    “The expanded range will include bikes with better handling characteristics and some with advanced safety features like ABS and combined braking systems,” Mr Pakula said.

    “The new scheme, funded by the Motorcycle Safety Levy, provides a wider range of bikes for new riders to choose from based on bike performance and safety.

    “The Motorcycle Safety Levy is essential to reduce the number of motorcyclists killed and injured each year.

    “The Brumby Government continually works with the Victorian Motorcycle Advisory Council to direct funds raised through the Motorcycle Safety Levy back to a wide range of initiatives to improve motorcycle safety.”

    Mr Neil O’Keefe, Chair of the Victorian Motorcycle Advisory Council, welcomed the new scheme.

    "I have been concerned that some new riders avoid practising on the smaller bikes and ride very powerful models before they are ready. LAMS provide much safer options for these riders,” Mr O’Keefe said.

    A list of approved motorcycles and scooters is available on the VicRoads website - Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS) : VicRoads

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    Reading that id say that particular artical only applies to Victoria I could of course be mistaken
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    Yup, victoria only.

    AS we all know, in WA the only reason for M/C deaths is speed and rider hooliganism.
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    I still don't think that is a bad idea.
    If you do alot of country commuting been stuck on a 250 wouldn't be so great.
    It would kill off the 250 2 strokers though ...

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    ^^ would also kill off the CBR250RR i think? Or maybe not... not sure if they'd just slip under the 125kw/tonne or not.

    Either way, personally I don't think RGVs, NSRs, and TZRs are condusive to learning how to ride as a total noob anyway.

    Once you have a few skills under your belt (say 6 months) sure, and yes plenty of people get them for their first bike and survive.... but you're going about things the hard way by doing so - they're harder to ride - and of course if you stall it (which is way easier than a 4 stroke twin) you need to kick start it
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    LAMS is in VIc (now) and also in NSW.
    Not sure if it is in other states.

    I did hear that one way that some bikes are restricted (the over 250 bikes that is) is to limit RPMS. One bike I heard of limits the RPMs to just over 6500 which = a tad over 110. Good for making sure top speed was appropriate (in vic anyway) but what about overtaking (ie - who wants to be on the ohter side of the rroad for too long kinda thing)

    Not sure if it's true either, just what I heard.

    I think LAMS is a good idea, but never having to use it duno in practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thro View Post
    ^^ would also kill off the CBR250RR i think? Or maybe not... not sure if they'd just slip under the 125kw/tonne or not.

    Either way, personally I don't think RGVs, NSRs, and TZRs are condusive to learning how to ride as a total noob anyway.
    I had a look... CBR250RRs are allowed, but the RVGs, NSRs and TZRs are not.

    You can even ride a 600 Monster!

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    Simple way to limit a bike's power output is to fit an inlet restrictor into the airbox/intake tract (like nascar do for daytona, WRC do for rally cars, etc).

    At atmospheric pressure, a certain size whole will only flow X hp worth of air.

    If LAMS determines that the horsepower for bike X is 50hp, then fit a 50hp inlet hole and voila! The bike won't rev past the point where its making about 50hp (starved for air)

    Or rather... it will *rev* past there, but not at full throttle.

    You could gradually work it up to redline, you just won't get full throttle out of it...
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    The LAM scheme will allow novice riders to ride moderately powered motorcycles with an engine capacity up to and including 660ml and which do not exceed a power to weight ratio of 150 kilowatts per tonne and are shown on this list. The following list, which will be adjusted as new models are approved by the RTA, displays details of all motorcycles that can be ridden by learner and provisional riders.

    Eligible Motorcycles in the category 0-260ml.
    All models with the exception of:
    SuzukiRGV250
    KawasakiKR250 (KR-1 and KR1s models)
    HondaNSR250
    YamahaTZR250
    AprilaRS250

    Eligible Motorcycles in the category 261 - 660ml
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    ^^^Is that the NSW list? The VicRoads one is a 2 page PDF file and looks a little different...

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    Yeah but its close enough.

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    Slack bastard

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    LAMS to the slaughter. You're always going to have some accidents on the roads no matter how much you wrap people up in wool (see what I did there?) The only difference is now it'll happen on a smaller bike.

    "Always out-numbered, never out-gunned"

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