Parking in car bays illegal???

[cruelcheffy]

beat me to posting about this subject. here is the article

Yep, that's the one.
This is the most stupid law I have ever seen, it must have been dreamed up by some backwards member of the council.
I have been parking in car bays all over Perth, so I suppopse the only thing that saved me from a fine so far is that most of the inspectors don't have a clue themselves. Why am I not surprised.

[Deej]

Just saw the thread, havnt read thru the whole lot so may have already been covered but I had a long talk with a city inspector on the matter and he advised me the rule is this:

If the bay you park in is clearly marked as a single car bay (has lines either end of the bay that clearly indicated that it is designed to be for a single car) then you CANNOT park your bike in it.

If the bay you park in is a parking bay that does not show that it is designed for a single car (EG: It may be say…. 4 car bays in size, is clearly designed to take cars, but it does not defined any part of that area as a single bay, more a car bay that you can squeeze into any location within the defined area), then yes, you can park your bike anywhere in that spot.

[Skuzzer]

She said the only thing I could do was write to the council and voice my case,but that it really wouldn't do me any good anyway.

Definitely write stating your case. Others have got off before you for the same thing.

[carbon13]

For those wanting to know where all the MC bays are hiding the Ulysses Club of WA website has a PDF map. It's a bit out of date, but a good guide anyway.

Perth CBD MC Parking Bays

[FaceThePower]

I must have been lucky so far as I do park in car bays in Perth and not getting fined (touch wood), usually angled my front wheel out at the end of the bay or between the cars so not taking up the entire car space. The only time when an inspector in nortbridge put a warning ticket on my bike just before I came out, he told me that I can park in that car bay as long as I buy the parking ticket. So the interpretation varies even among the inspectors.

[dr_p_leisure]

I have just had a look at the CIty of Perth parking by-laws (partly for my own interest and partly as self inflicted punishment for my recent indiscretions...). As has mostly already been stated-

You can't park your motorcycle in a car bay and you cant park a car in a bike bay. If you park your bike in a car bay thats one space gone, but if you park your car over 4 bike bays thats 4 spaces gone...fines are the same though.

You can park you bike in a car bay if it has a sidecar, but you cant park it in a bike bay

You cant park or attempt to park your vehicle in a occupied bay.

You CAN park on a median strip, as long as your vehicle is a bicycle or an animal

You must not deface your parking ticket in any way.

All vehicles must park in the marked bays, unless its too long or wide, in such case you have to take up as little room as possible. So a giant land barge (e.g. hummer) can take up 2 bays and pay for one ticket legally, but a bike can’t take up 1/4 of a bay...stupid.

Also you can not obstruct any part of a footpath.

there is no point getting in touch with the eleceted members to complain, as, unless you live in the city of perth, they wont care cos you're not a voter. and the coty of perth has very few residents, and most dont care as they have residential parking in thier buildings, or reseidntail permits.

[Stoneville]

Pisses me off when half the cars that are parked, only had the driver no passenger, so that makes them the same as me, 1 rider and I take up less space, OK if they had a passenger, but not often

There used to be bike parking bays at the Mundaring shops, they took them away and now there are none so I make sure I take up a bay in the super special right out side the shops parking near the handicap/pram mothers etc.

[Taylor]

Can't you just put a trailer in a car bay, ride the bike onto the back of the trailer and then lock the gate behind? So long as nobody makes off with the trailer, it's reasonably secure and if you put a tarp over the top it's weatherproof too.

[Tenchi]

Last time I went to the city, I saw a motorbike bay and was about to pull in when a car (black, shiny 4wd that's never been off road, lady driver grrr ) decided that she wanted it instead. I beeped and she looked around as if to say screw you I'm not moving and she only moved when I beeped again like I was serious.

Someone did that over the bike bays outside seven 88 on Hay St. The driver was sitting in the car.

I walked up, full gear, didn't bother removing my helmet or anything and knocked my A* CF knuckle gloves on his Lexus LS430 window. The car was very nice, very nice indeed. Shiny everywhere. He just looked at me.

I gave the window a huge whack with my CF knuckles - enough to make him jump and shit his pants, but not damage the car. He opened the window, and I asked him politely to move. He politely moved and I politely parked my bike in the designated bay.

The moral of the story? CF knuckles ftw.

[thro]

I have the PDF of motorcycle bays in the city, but is too big to post. PM if you want a copy.



I sent this email to the CoP a while back...





to which I got a reply that was extremely well worded which said (and I paraphrase because I can't find the e-mail)





I ate humble pie and slinked away.



D'Art

1. What about the ratio of motorists who work in the CBD?
2. Any reason bikes can't use half a car bay that we pay vechicle registration/fuel excise for?
3. Way to encourage less wasteful forms of transport...

[shmoo]

how many threads have there been on this???

FWIW, Claremont is also the same. I beleive Vincent is too.

Freo you can park in m/c bays or car bays.

[Gryphen]

Okay from the CoP own stats for February

Number of Car Bays
Car Parks Off-Street 10,542
On-Street Parking 5,033
Motorcycles On-Street 335
Motorcycles Off-Street 115

That means that in total there is 2.8% parking for bikes.

There is in total 1% for off-street parking for motorcycles.

There is a total of 6% on-street parking for motorcycles.

And it is also listed in their minutes that they want to make Motorcycle Parking at least 5% of every street, as currently not every street that has parking has motorcycle parking.

So if there is 6% by numbers for on-street parking... where the fuck are they?

[Gryphen]

PK24/08 MOTORCYCLE AND SCOOTER PARKING IN THE
CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT

BACKGROUND:

FILE REFERENCE

: P1010747-5

REPORTING OFFICER

: Michael Priest

RESPONSIBLE DIRECTOR

: Peter Monks, Director Planning and Development

DATE

: 12 February 2008

MAP

/ SCHEDULE: Schedule 1 - Existing and proposed on-street motorcycle
parking bays
Map - Proposed additional motorcycle bays in Perth CBD
At the Council meeting held on 9 October 2007, a petition containing 1,500
signatures was tabled relating to a shortage of motorcycles and scooter parking in
the Perth CBD. The petition specifically requested the following:-

PARKING COMMITTEE - 4 - 25 FEBRUARY 2008

M:COMMITTEE MINUTES 2007-08PK080225MINS.DOC

1. that they increase the allocation of both on and off street parking spaces for
motorcycles to at least 5% of cars.
2. that they permit motorcycle parking on footpaths in designated places where
such parking does not cause hazard or obstruction.
3. that they reduce the charge for off street parking commensurate with the space
occupied by motorcycles (ie not greater than 20% of car charges).
4. that they permit free parking for motorcycles and scooters in spaces
inaccessible to cars, such as corner spaces, around structural supports or those
spaces made inaccessible by bollards.

The Council resolved:-

That the petition, relating to motorcycle and scooter parking in the Perth Central
Business District, be received and referred to the Parking Committee.

At the Parking Committee meeting held on 26 November 2007, a report was received
detailing the existing provision of parking in the CBD and providing updates on the
establishment of an On-street Parking Policy and the review of the Perth Parking
Policy regarding motorcycle and scooter parking. A further report to the Committee
was proposed when the Draft On-street Parking Policy and the review of the Perth
Parking Policy had progressed further.
This report provides an update on the status of the Draft On-street Parking Policy
and the review of the Perth Parking Policy relating to motorcycle parking and
recommends location for the installation of additional on-street parking motorcycle
parking bays.

LEGISLATION / STRATEGIC PLAN / POLICY:
Legislation

City of Perth Parking Local Law 1999
Section: Part 2 – Stopping and Parking Generally

Strategic Plan

Key Result Area: Accessible City
Strategy: Movement and Access Strategy

Policy

Policy No and Name: Draft On-Street Parking Policy
Perth Parking Policy

PARKING COMMITTEE - 5 - 25 FEBRUARY 2008

M:COMMITTEE MINUTES 2007-08PK080225MINS.DOC

DETAILS:

The City currently provides over 500 motorcycle parking bays in public car parks and
on-street. Approximately 340 bays are located on-street (refer to Schedule 1). This
represents around 7% of the total of general on-street parking bays. Most of these
bays are time restricted for a period similar to that of the surrounding on-street car
bays. A small number of unrestricted bays are located on Terrace Road and in East
Perth, and the majority of bays in West Perth are also not time restricted.
It is understood that the occupancy rate of the motorcycle bays in the City of Perth
public car parks is in the order of 50%. It is also understood that the on-street
motorcycle bays are well utilised in most locations and have a high turnover where
time restrictions apply. They are primarily used by motorcycle couriers.

Draft On-street Parking Policy

The City engaged engineering consultants Worley Parsons to conduct a study into
on-street parking in the city of Perth with a view to developing an On-street Parking
Policy. The report is in the final stages of completion and it is anticipated that a draft
policy would be available for the Council to consider within the next few months. The
key draft recommendations in relation to motorcycle and scooter parking are as
follows:-

•

Motorcycles and scooters are licensed as the same type of vehicle and their
parking infrastructure should be shared.

•

Motorcycle parking should be subject to the same time restrictions as general
car parking bays and be charged at half the fee of cars.

•

Motorcycle bays should be located on every street block, where general parking
is provided at a rate of no less than 5% of car bays.

•

Parking meters or multi-bay meters should be used to ensure adequate
enforcement.

The Perth Parking Policy Review

Strategic and operational reviews of the Perth Parking Policy are currently underway.
The operational review is recommending the following in regards to motorcycle
parking:-

•

Motorbike parking should be required at an additional rate of 5% of the total car
bays allowable under the Policy. Five percent of all public spaces provided in
the pedestrian priority and short stay zones should be for motorbike parking and
2% of all public spaces in the long stay zone. Conversion of car bays to
motorbike bays should be encouraged where demand can be demonstrated.
It is understood that the strategic review is not considering any recommendations
specifically relating to motorcycle parking.

PARKING COMMITTEE - 6 - 25 FEBRUARY 2008

M:COMMITTEE MINUTES 2007-08PK080225MINS.DOC

Increased motorcycle use in Perth

While no figures are currently available to support increased motorcycle use, it is
accepted that the recent increase in popularity of scooters has resulted in an
increased demand for motorcycle parking in the city. It is proposed to install
additional motorcycle bays in the CBD to assist with the recent increase in use.

FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS:

The costs associated with the installation of additional on-street motorcycle bays in
the Perth CBD will be accommodated under existing operational budgets.

COMMENTS:

The City is continually amending the provision of on-street parking to accommodate
the changing needs of road users working in, and visiting, the city. Motorcycle
parking is always considered as part of this process. Streetscape enhancements
also take parking into consideration and it has been recent practice to ensure that
motorcycle bays are included as part of these works.
Given the recent increase in popularity in scooter use, it is considered appropriate to
increase the number of on-street parking bays in the CBD. It is also considered that
the additional 28 bays proposed (representing an 8% increase in total on-street
motorcycle bays) will accommodate this demand. In keeping with the
recommendations in the Servicing the City Strategy and the Draft On-street Parking
Policy Report, these bays should have the same time restrictions as the surrounding
on-street parking bays. This will ensure a high turnover and assist such uses as
motorcycle couriers and shopper/business parking.
It is understood that City of Perth car parks currently operate at approximately 50%
occupancy for long term motorcycle parking bays. These car parks can adequately
accommodate commuter motorcycles and can be relatively easily increased if
demand increases.

The Perth Parking Policy Review

An issue that could be considered as part of the Strategic Review is the license fees
for motorcycles. While the current policy allows for reduced licence fees for
motorcycles, half that of cars, this does not reflect the amount of space required for a
motorcycle in comparison to a car. Three to four motorcycle bays would fit into a
single car bay. It is considered appropriate for the licensing fee to be reduced to a
third of a car bay to reflect the space required and that the City could reduce the
parking fees in line with the license fee to promote motorcycle and scooter use. The
Department for Planning and Infrastructure would need to be requested to consider
the reduction of the license fee for motorcycle parking.
A separate report will be prepared to consider the issue of fees for motorcycle
parking once a response is received from the Department for Planning and
Infrastructure regarding the reduction of licence fees.

PARKING COMMITTEE - 7 - 25 FEBRUARY 2008

M:COMMITTEE MINUTES 2007-08PK080225MINS.DOC

It was therefore recommended that the Council:-
1. approves the installation of 28 proposed on-street motorcycle parking bays as
shown on Schedule 1, with time restrictions consistent with parking in the
surrounding area;
2. supports a request to the Department for Planning and Infrastructure to
consider a reduction in the licence fees for motorcycle parking;
3. notes that a subsequent report will be prepared to address the issue of fees for
on-street motorcycle parking.

Moved by Cr Sutherland, seconded by Cr Hardy
That the Council:-
1. approves the installation of 28 proposed on-street motorcycle
parking bays as shown on Schedule 1, with time restrictions
consistent with parking in the surrounding area;
2. supports a request to the Department for Planning and
Infrastructure to consider a reduction in the licence fees for
motorcycle parking being that of one quarter of a car bay fee;
3. notes that a subsequent report will be prepared to address the issue
of fees for on-street motorcycle parking.

The motion was put and carried

I still don't see where they think the parking is only 50% utilised, everywhere I go all the bays are full...

[Graelin]

This rule was enforced in Bunbury in the 1980s and probably still is. Local governemnts make there own Local Laws for parking control. It is one rule I persoanlly found offensive in that I pay to use the road then I cant park unles I find a bike bay.

Graelin

[D'Artagnan]

I still don't see where they think the parking is only 50% utilised, everywhere I go all the bays are full...
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There's six bays (3 each side) on Hay St (corner of Bennett) and there's never any bikes in them...mainly because they're full of cage.

D'Art

[D'Artagnan]

I beleive Vincent is too.

Correct.

[thro]

Gryphen: Are those stats for % parking capacity measured in terms of area or number of bays?

[Gryphen]

Number of bays

[prodigal]

I have the PDF of motorcycle bays in the city, but is too big to post. PM if you want a copy.



I sent this email to the CoP a while back...





to which I got a reply that was extremely well worded which said (and I paraphrase because I can't find the e-mail)

Originally Posted by CoP employee
The motor registry informs us that motorcycles represent 4% of all road users in WA. Currently parking for motorcycles is set at 6%. As such, no further action will be taken. Thanks for your enquiry



D'Art

Did the CoP minion mention whether this included scooters or did they just count motorcycles (maybe a convenient ommission). I wonder if the percentage of two wheelers is a bit higher?!?!

[wirafals]

Originally Posted by CoP employee
The motor registry informs us that motorcycles represent 4% of all road users in WA. Currently parking for motorcycles is set at 6%. As such, no further action will be taken. Thanks for your enquiry

is that mean for example, if there are 100 road user (cars and bikes), there are 6 parking bay for bikes? or 6 parking bay with the size of car parking bays that allocated for bike (assuming 4 bikes can fit 1 car bay, that's mean we have 24 parking bay for bike)?
i hope you guys know what i mean.