Simple question; How would you improve motorcycling in Perth?

[shmoo]

Originally Posted by Ryven

Restrict vehicles classified as heavy to the left lane.

It would take a hell of a lot longer to get anywhere if they could only turn left

More fender eliminator yellows.

hahaha, i was going to say the exact same thing (no homo)

[Ryven]

Originally Posted by shmoo

It would take a hell of a lot longer to get anywhere if they could only turn left

hahaha, i was going to say the exact same thing (no homo)

Restrict them within reason, if you know what I mean. (no homo)

While I'm thinking about fender eliminators... The reason people thought bikes were being "targeted" has more to do with the fact that a lot of cops who previously weren't fully trained to dish out anything other than blatantly obvious yellows have recently been given more training in what to look for.

It does mean, where bikes would have more regularly got off in the past because there were less people trained to deal with them, now it's going to be harder. But it to my understanding had nothing to do with police going after bikes in particular.

[CitizenD]

Originally Posted by Tuscadero

Logic coupled with common sense, you astound me some times.

Yeah, sometimes I forget to analogise my thoughts into something smutty or socially irresponsible.

Everyone's entitled to a day off here and there.

Originally Posted by Ryven

Restrict vehicles classified as heavy to the left lane.

How can you apparently work in the DPI and say something so obviously ridiculous and impractical? I'm not going to spell out the severe flaw in that plan but I'll give you some food for thought.
1) Leach Highway - why was it built and why did they build it as they did?
2) Driveways on main arterial roads.
3) Caravans, shitboxes and boat trailers on major highways - ever driven behind one when you're in a 110T vehicle?
4) Ever tried to swing a 36.5m roadtrain left through an intersection staying in the left hand lane?

I'm going to bed. I'll check your home work in the morning.

[Sean'o]

Front number plates and lap belts mandatory for all motorcycles.

[G Dorrington]

There is really only one way to improve the roads in Perth and that is with more speed cameras and less bikes.

The Office of Road Safety has decided once and for all that we will recommend to State Government that ALL motorbikes, including scooters be banned completely.

We have also recommended to the government that wire rope barriers should be installed along every suburban street and side street speed limits reduced to 35kmph.

The ORS has thought long and hard about these initiatives and we even spent our lunch break working on our concepts. In fact i was even late to footy training.

We are also VERY proud to announce our latest road safety slogan campaign, which cost the government only 3 million dollars to come up with, again, we worked through our lunch breaks, it says.

"Drive Safe."

Its genius!

Also you will notice at our home page here >Office of Road Safety - Campaigns
that motorcycles are not listed, thats because each and everyone of you are dangerous hooligans riding loaded guns being swung around in a room full of babies and the elderly.

So there you have it, basically, my name is Grant Dorrington and you can all go and get fucked for all i care.

Hope that clears our position up.

Cheers

Dorro.

For further enquires please contact me at my office on:
Telephone: +61 8 9222-9922
Fax: +61 8 9325-2817
Address:

Office of Road Safety
Level 10,
40 St Georges Terrace
PERTH, Western Australia 6000
Australia

Email: roadsafety@dpc.wa.gov.au
Website: Office of Road Safety - Home

[thro]

^^ gold

[BigCat]

^^ i was wondering how long it would be till someone did that lol classic!

Anyhow, I reckon motorcycling would be much more entertaining if we were all granted cop status so we could bust cage drivers on the spot for crap driving. That'd be both highly satisfying and providing a service to the community. I would enjoy inventing some hilarious and quite humiliating punishments to go with the fines too hehehe

[Sentry]

Resurface all roads. All cars are to be removed immediately. Cops are to wear explosive collars ala Wedlock, and every time they pull you over for something lame like a fender eliminator, you'd get a "beep.... beep.....beep beepbeepbepbep.... " coming from their neck! (stand back kids, things could get messy)

[goof]

Make WA it's own country. We get the benefit of the huge money being made from our natural resources. Elect a non-politically correct, non-corrupt government to make WA a good place to live. Expel undesirables.

[Desmogod]

Originally Posted by Ryven

More fender eliminator yellows.

Oh this joke just never gets old.
Who else is with me, more fender eliminator jokes needed, amirite?!

[rc_sam]

Originally Posted by CitizenD

Make it compulsory for every C licence holder to ride R-E class for twelve months before finishing their probationary period.

+1

[chew]

Pay all road designers and builders by the amount of bends they incorporate into the roads.

[House]

Allow bikes to legally travel at speed limit +5 or +10 (or have seperate limits for bikes and cars on all streets) so that the threats created by cagers doing stupid shit will always come from the front where you can see it happening immediately and take evasive action, rather than threats coming from all around you where that may not always happen.

Remove this "45+ kmh over automatically = reckless" crap from the law, so that to be convicted of reckless it has to be proven that it actually WAS reckless given the time and place - i.e. "deserted country road with no traffic or surrounding housing = not reckless" , but "commodore weaving through crowded freeway at 160 in the rain = reckless"

Remove "wheelies/stoppies/etc. automatically = reckless" also, for the same reasons as above. Not to mention that the safest thing to do at the lights may be to take off quickly if the surrounding taffic presents a threat, and an accidental wheelie may result, but this presents no real danger to anyone given that bikes can still steer whilst in that state and can use the back brake to put it back down again immediately if they need to brake for some unexpected reason.

I'm not saying that these things aren't reckless if done deliberately in the wrong set of circumstances (i.e. 80kmh wheelie through a school zone at 8:30am), but I'd like to see a law that placed the onus on the police to show that a persons actions actually did constitute recklessness given the circumstances.

EDIT: Open limits on certain country roads (or sections thereof) would certainly be nice - with the same provisions above - i.e. you could still be prosecuted if the speed you were doing was dangerous given the traffic and weather conditions and the condition of your vehicle and whether or not you had received advanced rider/driver training. Actually, some way of making those points apply to all traffic offences would be nice. 30 over in a rusted out VW bus is a fuck of a lot more dangerous than 30 over in a well maintained M3 or 30 over on a GSXR.

[jules_1972]

A Ducati ONLY LANE!!!!

[Hornet]

Now some things are just pushing your luck.

[Tenchi]

• Raise speed limits in certain areas (esp. reevaluate 70 zones and main access roads signposted as 50 km/h such as Fairway Circle in Connolly.).
• Remove the stupid trees in the dividing section of roads such as Fairway Ccl (Connolly) as they are hazards if a rider/driver clips them. Not only that they rip up the road and require re-laying it down.
• Motorbike only lane (No slow/fat bitches).
• Explicitly state splitting is legal.
• Any infractions where a car hits a bike and claims they didn't see them to be treated as attempted murder.
• Have at least half of all speeding fines (pref 100% but I'm being realistic here) go directly to the hospital and education system of Perth - they need the money more than anyone else, especially more than the douchbags in ORS.
• Have the wages of the ORS decision makers to be directly proportional to the death toll. The more the death toll goes up, the less they get.
• Fire all members of the current ORS and hire a bunch of people who actually know what they're doing.
• Resurfacing of all sub-par roads.
• Harsher penalties for drivers violating the right of way of motorbike riders - again, attempted murder being the highest charge for simply violating that.
• Make cops who abuse their power (even if legally they're not) made personally accountable for certain offences - e.g. the repeated yellow stickering of vehicles that are deemed safe. At the very least, have them re-trained and removed for a period of 3 months on half pay.
• Fixed speed cameras, accompanied with signs (as they have in Sydney), at known black spots throughout WA. None of this mobile camera crap - that does nothing except raise revenue.
• Require mandatory 120 hours for all learners - or 25 hours IF they undertake appropriate driver training courses and can produce a certificate. This optional shit will never fly.
• Require mandatory re-testing of all car drivers every 5 years.
• Require HR driving or R-E driving (classes other than regular car licence) for a decent period of time - 3 months should be enough.
• More twisty roads - they slow down cars AND make riding more enjoyable. Win win situation.

[Hornet]

Wow.

I like that.

[CitizenD]

Why not make them space-bikes.

No really. And they could fire moon-beams and shit.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by CitizenD

Why not make them space-bikes.

No really. And they could fire moon-beams and shit.

lol I'd quite happily settle for RPGs on conventional bikes to remove shit drivers from the gene pool tho

[Captain Starfish]

Things that cost a bit:
- Introduce LAMS here. For bikes AND cars.
- More roundabouts, less lights.
- Dedicated motorbike/scooter lanes on major arterial roads (a'la Kuala Lumpur).
- Bike awareness campaign.
- OMFG pull out all the wire rope barriers!!!1!11!!one!! (homo)
- Introduce legislation specifically indemnifying property owners against liability for nominated activities carried out on each property. Thereby removing the biggest hurdle against racetracks, stunt parks, etc, etc, etc.

Things that cost fuck all:
- Stop pulling puds and allow m/c parking on footpaths under the same constraints as Melbourne (ie not in front of doorways, not blocking pedestrian access etc).
- Return TEG emphasis from letter of law (canaries on FEs, speeding, splitting etc) to a more case by case intelligent assessment of the safety of the activity.