Unfair Yellow Sticker, infringments etc

[Moorby]

Is it possible to get together enough people that have been wrongly "Yellowed" for the fender 45 degree thing and start a class action?
Loss of time, money, stress of getting a vehicle over the pits?

class action ftw! read the king of torts by john grisham and u'll know wot i mean

[Calculus]

Can anyone point out to me how to find the contact details of the pits? Also would anyone recommend one pits over another?

Also if I have any questions can I talk to the people at the pits before I bring my bike in?

Cheers

[Hornet]

So carry a printout of the relevant ADRs and state laws (preferably certified as a "true and correct" copy by a senior police officer or justice of the peace - you can get identity document copies certified like that so maybe other documents like ADRs as well?) as well as a camera (helmet cam would be excellent). Take some happy snaps of the nice officers and what they claim is wrong, offer to let them read the relevant documents.

If you still get stickered for something legal after that, then you'd probably have pretty solid grounds to get something done about it.

But should it really come to this? Having to carry documentation to avoid being unfairly picked on?

[House]

But should it really come to this? Having to carry documentation to avoid being unfairly picked on?

No, of course it shouldn't, but if recent stories are true, then it has.

Plus, if doing so can make a powertripping officer think twice in future by getting him legally pineappled, then I'm all for it.

[shmoo]

knowing the letter of the law is great and all, but in my worthless opinion, attempting to get into a discussion with the popo on the side of the road is only going to go against you. The popo will most likely see it as you trying to be a smartass. However i suppose if your already going to get a yello sticker, then you may as well try talking to them...

Its a tough one because as i said in another thread, the actual yellow stickers are not the problem, the issue is the police abuse of their power. Now that is a far bigger issue than some pesky yellow stickers.

[House]

I can see where you're coming from, which is why the helmet cam would be a great idea, so that you have video evidence of everything done and said. Video that will show you had the relevant documents there for them to read, and video that shows whatever way they react to that.

I agree wholeheartedly that the problem runs far deeper than canaries though.

[sathid]

Would you have to make them aware you were filming the conversation, if you were to later use it in evidence?

Isn't there some law against covert surveillance? Or would the fact the camera on the helmet is obvious, mean it is not covert?

I was wondering about this earlier.

[Cbr1k]

What ever happened to the days where you could at least rationally discuss your side of the problem with the police. Now these cvnts have gotten such power trips that to even utter a word will earn you a yellow or tazered.

[Aphex]

Isn't there some law against covert surveillance? Or would the fact the camera on the helmet is obvious, mean it is not covert?

There is no law against covert surveillance. There are a few guidelines as to its use however. Recording audio is where you run into problems.

[House]

Would you have to make them aware you were filming the conversation, if you were to later use it in evidence?

Isn't there some law against covert surveillance? Or would the fact the camera on the helmet is obvious, mean it is not covert?

I was wondering about this earlier.

Unsure, I was thinking the same thing.

[speculation] I'm also wondering about the fact that helmet cams are for the purpose of recording your ride, and not specifically for surveillance of anything, so maybe you wouldn't have to, given that capturing the officers on film was merely a side effect of the cameras intended purpose, because of them interrupting the ride it was supposed to be recording, and that you had set it up for the purpose of recording said ride [/speculation]

Recording audio is where you run into problems.

You'd want audio as well as video though. Are you sure that the laws refer to all audio? I know there are laws against recording telecommunications audio, but do they apply to spoken conversation without any communications devices involved?

Today tonight get away with unwanted video and audio recording of people and conversations with them, not to mention then broadcasting it.

[Aphex]

Yes, the laws do refer to audio if it is to be used as evidence. There are specific circumstances and a few loop holes that enable you to get around it but youd want to be well versed in those before trying it.

[Gryphen]

As far as i can recall the only problem with Video/Audio was to do with admisability in a court.

But as they have now made it legal for people to provide video evidence as proof of crimes, primarily Hoonish acts, I see no problem with you also recording everything with your helmet cam, after all it is just in case, and you would just keep it running and not point it out to the cop.

[Aphex]

As far as i can recall the only problem with Video/Audio was to do with admisability in a court.

There are also privacy issues in some circumstances.

[House]

Yes, the laws do refer to audio if it is to be used as evidence. There are specific circumstances and a few loop holes that enable you to get around it but youd want to be well versed in those before trying it.

Thanks.

Though I'm thinking that providing a local news outlet (or today tonight or youtube or similar) with such video/audio may have an even greater impact than using it as evidence.

Edit: Or there's the other route, whereby you inform them immediately that everything they say and do is being recorded and that you have a copy of (insert whatever documentation here) for them to read if they want. Should make them think very carefully about what they then choose to do. Downside is that it won't affect anything they do later to others.

[Gryphen]

There are also privacy issues in some circumstances.

But whilst riding a bike... i don't think the intrusion rules (intruding upon a persons privacy) apply.

[Gryphen]

..... for them to read if they want. Should make them think very carefully about what they then choose to do.

Could also piss them off to the MAX..

Could also turn a Caution into a Fine...

[House]

Could also piss them off to the MAX..

Could also turn a Caution into a Fine...

Yes, you're right, and once again the most legally responsible set of actions is the one that will get you into the most trouble. WA is so fucked...

[Aphex]

Edit: Or there's the other route, whereby you inform them immediately that everything they say and do is being recorded and that you have a copy of (insert whatever documentation here) for them to read if they want. Should make them think very carefully about what they then choose to do. Downside is that it won't affect anything they do later to others.

You also have to get them to agree to it and a few other little things need to be tacked onto the recording

But whilst riding a bike... i don't think the intrusion rules (intruding upon a persons privacy) apply.

Hence "in some circumstances".

You're right though. On a bike you're unlikely to encounter such situations.

[sathid]

There is no law against covert surveillance. There are a few guidelines as to its use however. Recording audio is where you run into problems.

Yeah sorry, it was audio I had been thinking about, but the comment about helmet cams made me think it out loud.

[House]

You also have to get them to agree to it and a few other little things need to be tacked onto the recording



Hence "in some circumstances".

You're right though. On a bike you're unlikely to encounter such situations.

Well there goes that idea. Pity that it's a one sided thing, and that people can be done for hoon offenses without agreeing to be recorded for example.