New hoon laws changes came in today folks - Page 3

gratrax · 21-07-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by clobber

It applies only to licenses lost for demerit point suspension. You can still get one after being convicted for drink driving

That makes a whole lot of sense........not

desmodude · 22-07-2008, 07:06 AM

Did anyone see top gear and the self drive bmw , why are these areholes in government making these retrograde laws instead of preparing for future technology
they should stop listening to old useless wowsers and the ORS

T_B R1 · 22-07-2008, 03:06 PM

I get so annoyed with peole saying the road toll is going down in relation to registered vehicles. Have they tried to measure it against registerd drivers??? The fact of the matter is people are earning more money and often own more than one vehilce (resources boom people) I own a bike and a car so that's two vehicles for one person. I know several people on here that own a car a van and a bike or various other combinations.
I know several guys that since the boom started have bought a car and a 4x4 and a bike. This wasn't the case 4 or 5 years ago.
So let's see the stats for number of deaths compared to number of drivers.

Captain Starfish · 22-07-2008, 03:21 PM

Find the stats, post them up and I will stop using my vague memories of the only stats I've seen that seem to apply

Kingy · 23-07-2008, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by T_B R1

I get so annoyed with peole saying the road toll is going down in relation to registered vehicles. Have they tried to measure it against registerd drivers??? The fact of the matter is people are earning more money and often own more than one vehilce (resources boom people) I own a bike and a car so that's two vehicles for one person. I know several people on here that own a car a van and a bike or various other combinations.
I know several guys that since the boom started have bought a car and a 4x4 and a bike. This wasn't the case 4 or 5 years ago.
So let's see the stats for number of deaths compared to number of drivers.

Fair point... surely it is the number of licensed drivers that is important, not the number registered vehicles.. which is why stats lie... when the govt wants to look good they say the road toll is decreasing due to the fantastic measures they have introduced.. when they want to pineapple a small minoroty group then the stats say something else...

Kingy · 23-07-2008, 09:32 AM

Anyway... back on topic... a serious question...

Is popping a wheelie a breach of the hoon laws the same as doing a burnout or spinning wheels when accelrating in a car?

I don't want to lose my daily ride for a week with no other easy way to get to and from work because of some anal law...?????

Spuddy · 23-07-2008, 10:02 AM

AFAIK they can pin you with "exhibition of acceleration" but i dont think its one of the rules they can confiscate the bike for.

I could be wrong.

Captain Starfish · 23-07-2008, 10:15 AM

From two cops now - they can't confiscate for a clean, controlled wheel stand, they can for stoppies (breaking traction with a driving wheel). But let's face it - on the side of the road, cop's pissed and smells the blood in the water, he can do what he wants. You can argue when it gets to court, but by then it's done and you have your bike back anyway.

Wheelies, apparently, are seen as a section 60 (ie reckless) offence. But there's plenty of cases where time and place have come together with a half reasonable magistrate and the charge has either been dismissed or dropped to careless.

Apparently the tyre-warming weave up the street can also be tagged for careless...

fucking insanity.

Spuddy · 23-07-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by starfish

Apparently the tyre-warming weave up the street can also be tagged for careless...

fucking insanity.

I had no idea about that one... thats crazy talk

The Saint · 23-07-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Starfish

Apparently the tyre-warming weave up the street can also be tagged for careless...

fucking insanity.

Say what?

Any evidence to support this Cap?

Captain Starfish · 23-07-2008, 12:07 PM

One PSBer has been charged with it.
Another has been warned.

Go search.

esquire · 24-07-2008, 11:45 AM

Every Law Should Be Circumstantial

xanthian · 24-07-2008, 12:25 PM

"You slept with that 15 year old."

"She had the body of a 17 year old and gave consent."

"Oh. If there's grass on the wicket, it's time to play cricket, and all that. Carry on."

Somehow, I don't think most of society could stomach the discussions involved in establishing the circumstances for all laws to be circumstantial. Should we have circumstantial tax evasion laws too?

Captain Starfish · 24-07-2008, 12:47 PM

Yes please.

Spuddy · 24-07-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by xanthian

"You slept with that 15 year old."

"She had the body of a 17 year old and gave consent."

"Oh. If there's grass on the wicket, it's time to play cricket, and all that. Carry on."

Somehow, I don't think most of society could stomach the discussions involved in establishing the circumstances for all laws to be circumstantial. Should we have circumstantial tax evasion laws too?

Actually, age of consent SHOULD be circumstantial. I wont get started on this subject again too much, but I know someone on here has a mate that copped it because she told him she was older than she was. Sometimes you cant tell, what are you meant to do, ask for ID?

Pono · 24-07-2008, 06:10 PM

Us blokes can cop it pretty bad, if the girl lies about her age... coniving women...

From my understanding if your not driving in a striaght line (excluding turning) with all wheels on the ground you are hoooning

Captain Starfish · 24-07-2008, 09:46 PM

Your understanding is very over-the-top-what-the-cops-would-like. It's not quite that clear cut.

xanthian · 24-07-2008, 10:03 PM

Well, if wheelies and stoppies are illegal, and if warming up the rubber on your tyres is illegal, then Pono's pretty much spot on. Next thing you know, you'll be done for changing wheel tracks without changing lanes or indicating because the cop doesn't know the bike laws.

Captain Starfish · 24-07-2008, 10:05 PM

Difference between illegal and breaking the hoon laws. It's not all about hooning - there's plenty of other laws to break, share the love around a bit.

xanthian · 24-07-2008, 10:11 PM

The hoon laws themselves are purely restricted to burning rubber then, aren't they?

If someone revs their engine in neutral, isn't that nothing more than a "disturbing the peace" charge (or equivalent, whatever it's called)?

22-07-2008, 03:06 PM	#43 (permalink)
T_B R1 gixxer600 track Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NOR now Posts: 1,197	I get so annoyed with peole saying the road toll is going down in relation to registered vehicles. Have they tried to measure it against registerd drivers??? The fact of the matter is people are earning more money and often own more than one vehilce (resources boom people) I own a bike and a car so that's two vehicles for one person. I know several people on here that own a car a van and a bike or various other combinations. I know several guys that since the boom started have bought a car and a 4x4 and a bike. This wasn't the case 4 or 5 years ago. So let's see the stats for number of deaths compared to number of drivers. __________________ Those who risk nothing, do nothing, achieve nothing, become nothing.

22-07-2008, 03:21 PM	#44 (permalink)
Captain Starfish Hyobusa GT1300R Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Perth(ish) Posts: 9,866	Find the stats, post them up and I will stop using my vague memories of the only stats I've seen that seem to apply __________________ Look after yourself? A newborn fawn could crush you with its forelimb, you Man of Margarine...

23-07-2008, 10:02 AM	#47 (permalink)
Spuddy Kawasaki 'GPX FTW' Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hamersley Posts: 1,769	AFAIK they can pin you with "exhibition of acceleration" but i dont think its one of the rules they can confiscate the bike for. I could be wrong. __________________ - Spuddy add me on msn: spudd_alicious AT hotmail DOT com

23-07-2008, 10:15 AM	#48 (permalink)
Captain Starfish Hyobusa GT1300R Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Perth(ish) Posts: 9,866	From two cops now - they can't confiscate for a clean, controlled wheel stand, they can for stoppies (breaking traction with a driving wheel). But let's face it - on the side of the road, cop's pissed and smells the blood in the water, he can do what he wants. You can argue when it gets to court, but by then it's done and you have your bike back anyway. Wheelies, apparently, are seen as a section 60 (ie reckless) offence. But there's plenty of cases where time and place have come together with a half reasonable magistrate and the charge has either been dismissed or dropped to careless. Apparently the tyre-warming weave up the street can also be tagged for careless... fucking insanity. __________________ Look after yourself? A newborn fawn could crush you with its forelimb, you Man of Margarine...

23-07-2008, 12:07 PM	#51 (permalink)
Captain Starfish Hyobusa GT1300R Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Perth(ish) Posts: 9,866	One PSBer has been charged with it. Another has been warned. Go search. __________________ Look after yourself? A newborn fawn could crush you with its forelimb, you Man of Margarine...

22-07-2008, 07:06 AM	#42 (permalink)
desmodude Ducati 999 Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 280	Did anyone see top gear and the self drive bmw , why are these areholes in government making these retrograde laws instead of preparing for future technology they should stop listening to old useless wowsers and the ORS

23-07-2008, 09:32 AM	#46 (permalink)
Kingy ER6F (07) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Success Posts: 367	Anyway... back on topic... a serious question... Is popping a wheelie a breach of the hoon laws the same as doing a burnout or spinning wheels when accelrating in a car? I don't want to lose my daily ride for a week with no other easy way to get to and from work because of some anal law...?????

24-07-2008, 11:45 AM	#52 (permalink)
esquire ZZ-R250 & A couple of Pocket Bikes Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Shenton Park Posts: 1,274	Every Law Should Be Circumstantial __________________

24-07-2008, 12:25 PM	#53 (permalink)
xanthian Canary Yellow CBR 250 RR Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mullaloo, Perth Posts: 186	"You slept with that 15 year old." "She had the body of a 17 year old and gave consent." "Oh. If there's grass on the wicket, it's time to play cricket, and all that. Carry on." Somehow, I don't think most of society could stomach the discussions involved in establishing the circumstances for all laws to be circumstantial. Should we have circumstantial tax evasion laws too?

24-07-2008, 12:47 PM	#54 (permalink)
Captain Starfish Hyobusa GT1300R Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Perth(ish) Posts: 9,866	Yes please. __________________ Look after yourself? A newborn fawn could crush you with its forelimb, you Man of Margarine...

24-07-2008, 06:10 PM	#56 (permalink)
Pono Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mosman Park Posts: 110	Us blokes can cop it pretty bad, if the girl lies about her age... coniving women... From my understanding if your not driving in a striaght line (excluding turning) with all wheels on the ground you are hoooning

24-07-2008, 09:46 PM	#57 (permalink)
Captain Starfish Hyobusa GT1300R Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Perth(ish) Posts: 9,866	Your understanding is very over-the-top-what-the-cops-would-like. It's not quite that clear cut. __________________ Look after yourself? A newborn fawn could crush you with its forelimb, you Man of Margarine...

24-07-2008, 10:03 PM	#58 (permalink)
xanthian Canary Yellow CBR 250 RR Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mullaloo, Perth Posts: 186	Well, if wheelies and stoppies are illegal, and if warming up the rubber on your tyres is illegal, then Pono's pretty much spot on. Next thing you know, you'll be done for changing wheel tracks without changing lanes or indicating because the cop doesn't know the bike laws.

24-07-2008, 10:05 PM	#59 (permalink)
Captain Starfish Hyobusa GT1300R Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Perth(ish) Posts: 9,866	Difference between illegal and breaking the hoon laws. It's not all about hooning - there's plenty of other laws to break, share the love around a bit. __________________ Look after yourself? A newborn fawn could crush you with its forelimb, you Man of Margarine...

24-07-2008, 10:11 PM	#60 (permalink)
xanthian Canary Yellow CBR 250 RR Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mullaloo, Perth Posts: 186	The hoon laws themselves are purely restricted to burning rubber then, aren't they? If someone revs their engine in neutral, isn't that nothing more than a "disturbing the peace" charge (or equivalent, whatever it's called)?

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