Interphone F4 Intercom

[SMURF22]

Hey all,

A quick question regarding the Interphone F4 if anyone is familiar with these units. I purchased a set from "Blue-Express" here in Perth for Christmas and the seller told me that they are able to be connected to 4 riders simutaneously through the intercom. I have read the instruction manual until i'm blue in the face and cannot pair any more than twio units at a single time! As soon as an additional unit is turned on the other two disconnect! I've searched the internet but found nothing to suggest that it is possible?

I think I was given the incorrect information from this seller. Anyone know if it is possible to connect mpre than 2 unit simutaneously through the intercom?

Cheers

[Viper]

F4 was 2 only and F5 was up to 6 from what I read last week.

I'm going the scala instead.

[Rhino]

Not simultaneously.

I think it will retain the pairing information of 4 devices total.

[SeeJay]

F4 was 2 only and F5 was up to 6 from what I read last week.

I'm going the scala instead.

I'm also looking at the scala. You found any good deals Viper?

[Ducfreak]

YEP standard "box sellers" advice

You dont know just HOW MANY times I hear this

Comms have been prostituted to every man and his dog just to get sales for the manufacturer and they end up being sold by those that know SFA about what they sell, then you as the customer get the wrong end of the stick and pissed off when it doesnt do "what you were told it will" GGGRRR

Most BT headsets will ONLY talk one to one at any given time, even if you pair x number together, generally one has to choose which one of the others to talk to.
I would be VERY interesred to hear of 6 all talking to each other at one time

IF you want "group" intercom you really need to go with a UHF radio on each bike and then you can have as many as you like talking (even listen in on the trucks etc for "road information") or a private channell for just as few as you like.

[mattDC5R]

Scala rider G4 will work in a 4 way pairing. We used them riding around Italy that way. Not perfect but does work, and they were significantly cheaper than an Autocomplete UHF system we looked at.

[Viper]

I'm also looking at the scala. You found any good deals Viper?

$309 from prestige communications in Malaga is the best I've seen so far.

[Ducfreak]

Scala rider G4 will work in a 4 way pairing. We used them riding around Italy that way. Not perfect but does work, and they were significantly cheaper than an Autocomplete UHF system we looked at.

the "4 way" is 2 bikes x 2 people each, not 4 separate bikes, but i believe they will do 3 separate bikes with the proviso number 1 chooses to talk to #2 OR #3 NOT all 3 at once

[BrotherPaul]

I recently bought the dual Sena SMH10 (from PSB Sponsor Adventurecams Motorbike Intercom | Scala Rider | Bluetooth Helmet | Adventure Cams). These are similar to the one's that are used by the assessors for the riding tests and a number of riding schools (Elite is an example). So far have used them for music from iPod touch and blackberry phone as well as rider to rider. The sound is very good and communication between riders is crystal clear for up to about 750 metres or so. I am not really interested in using the telephone whilst riding, however I have paired it while stationery and it works very well.

BTW I am not associated with Adventurecams, merely a happy customer who received great service. Item was delivered next day by courier with no shipping charges.

[mattDC5R]

the "4 way" is 2 bikes x 2 people each, not 4 separate bikes, but i believe they will do 3 separate bikes with the proviso number 1 chooses to talk to #2 OR #3 NOT all 3 at once

Did you read what I posted? I have used them in 3 and 4 way pairings and I can assure you it does work. And all parties can talk together.
There are some catches to it but it does work.

But what would I know!

[Cbr1k]

I think its because the interphone uses A2DP Profile. It can pair with a shitload of devices, but can only communicate with one at a time.

[Ducfreak]

Did you read what I posted? I have used them in 3 and 4 way pairings and I can assure you it does work. And all parties can talk together.
There are some catches to it but it does work.

But what would I know!

Ok I stand corrected then, just going on reading the manual and my customers feedback, maybe they've changed the software since I was told /read, the 3 rider conference seems OK except you can drop one or the other

Dont want a shit fight just get to the bottom of it

Matt I must be misreading this

Adding a third G4 unit to your PowerSet headsets, allows you to
conduct 3 way intercom conference calls as follows:
First G4 unit
Rider “A”
Third G4 Headset
Rider “C”
Second G4 unit
Rider “B”
In this configuration Rider “B” is paired to Rider “A” and to Rider “C”.
IMPORTANT: Since Rider “B” uses two Bluetooth connections during the
conference mode, Rider “B” will be disconnected from the mobile phone
or GPS device until the conference mode is terminated. Upon termination,
Rider “B” will automatically re-connect to his mobile phone or GPS. Rider
“A” and “C” remain connected to their mobile phones or GPS devices during
the 3-way intercom call.
There are two ways to start an Intercom call with your paired headsets
while the headset is in Standby mode:
VOICE CONNECT:
Start talking loudly
Once you start talking loudly, an
Intercom call will be established
with both paired headsets,
CHANNEL “A” and CHANNEL “B” (if
both are available).
CHANNEL BUTTON CONNECT:
Single tap the CHANNEL “A” Button
to add or remove the CHANNEL
“A” headset from an Intercom call.
Single tap the CHANNEL “B” Button
to add or remove the CHANNEL
“B” headset from an intercom call.

FOUR-WAY INTERCOM
When connected to three other scala rider G4 units, your headset
can also participate in a 4-way Conference Intercom Call (full duplex)
as explained below.
Please note that the 4-way conference operates in a linear way,
whereby the two passengers serve as the connecting links for the
entire group. Therefore, if one of the Passengers disconnects, the 4-way
conference mode will be interrupted until that passenger is reconnected.
4-Way Intercom between up to two couples on two motorcycles
two drivers (1 and 3) and two passengers (2 and 4)
In this configuration the two passengers (numbered 2 and 4) are each
using two Bluetooth connections:
Passenger 2 is paired to Driver 1 and to Passenger 4
Passenger 4 is paired to Driver 3 and to Passenger 2
IMPORTANT: Since both Passengers each use two Bluetooth connections
during the conference mode, they will both be disconnected from
their mobile phones until the conference mode is terminated.
Upon termination, both Passengers will automatically re-connect
to their mobile phones. Both Drivers 1 and 3 remain connected to
their mobile phones or GPS devices during the 4-way intercom call

[SMURF22]

Did you read what I posted? I have used them in 3 and 4 way pairings and I can assure you it does work. And all parties can talk together.
There are some catches to it but it does work.

But what would I know!

What are these catches you speak of?

[mattDC5R]

Ok I stand corrected then, just going on reading the manual and my customers feedback, maybe they've changed the software since I was told /read, the 3 rider conference seems OK except you can drop one or the other

Dont want a shit fight just get to the bottom of it

Matt I must be misreading this

Ok, well yes you are correct in the manual makes it clear that it only works with 2 riders and 2 pillions, not 4 bikes. But if you read between the lines and look at how 3-way comms works, you'll see that it will in fact work for 4 separate bikes. As in both set ups you have 1 or 2 units doing 2 pairs it was very apparent that it should work with 4 bikes, however scala suggested it wouldn't work, implying that the pairing between rider and passenger was a short range pairing not a long range one like between the 2 passengers, but when you then look at the 3 way set up it is very clear that the units are capable of 2 long range pairings.

Basically, pillion 2 and 4, become rider 2 and 3 and rider 1 and 3 become rider 1 and 4. So rider 2 pairs to rider 1 and rider 3, and rider 3 pairs to rider 2 and rider 4. So as described in the manual the 2 units pairing twice wont connect to their ipods/gps hence rider 1 would ideally be the person with the gps doing the navigating.

WHat you then need to do is keep the riding group in a similar order on the road. Now when your all close together and riding at the same pace it doesn't matter, as you still approx 1km of range between each unit, it does become more important once the pace picks up or your in twisties etc and also areas of lots of trees etc, as range does reduce once your out of line of sight. You will end up being able to have a couple of kms between the group.

In our case we had 1 rider that was slower than the rest so we set him up as rider 4 so as we got away from him, we would loose comms to him, but the rest would still be able to communicate in a 3 way pairing. As he caught up 9/10 he would join back in without doing anything, at times rider 3 would need to press his 'B' button to reconnect him.

Thats basically it, it takes a little practice but we got it really quickly and it added a heap to our trip being able to talk to each other, made a massive difference in cities etc as inevitably you get split up so we would just talk the separated rider to us. Out of the cities they worked just as well, like i said the only time it would fail was when 4th rider dropped off the back, but that left the lead 3 still talking which was great.

We even were able to get 'eye in the sky' type info when we rode Stelvio Pass one morning, and one person didnt want to ride down, so he stayed at the top and gave the rest of us traffic info as we rode down, only when we got to 3/4ish of the way down the main section did he start to break up. Made for a wicked ride

We also modified ours to take a 3.5mm jack so we could use moulded headphones instead of the speakers. Gave better sound and also the benefit of earplugs so not getting deafened by wind noise for 10 days.

I hope that made sense, any more questions let me kwow.

[SMURF22]

Hi Matt,

So just to clarify, if me and my three bothers were riding, we could all talk to each other? Would it be a sort of pass the message on scinario in which the rider A could communicate to B and B then communicates to C and then C to D?

Or,

Is it so that if one rider talks, all of the other three can hear?

Thanks in advance

[mattDC5R]

It's the later, so if one person says something you all hear it. You also don't need to wait for the other people to finish talking either, you can all talk at once and you will all hear each other.

[Para045]

Scala rider G4 will work in a 4 way pairing. We used them riding around Italy that way. Not perfect but does work, and they were significantly cheaper than an Autocomplete UHF system we looked at.

So was that the reason you went for them as opposed to the Interphone etc? I have had the older Scala Cardo Rider and they were very avg, crackly and almost unusable above ~80kmh

$309 from prestige communications in Malaga is the best I've seen so far.

Is that for 1 set or a pair?

[Viper]

pair.

[mattDC5R]

So was that the reason you went for them as opposed to the Interphone etc? I have had the older Scala Cardo Rider and they were very avg, crackly and almost unusable above ~80kmh

Pretty much the main reason yes, as for the price it was the cheapest way to get 4 way comms.

We did get a bit of crackle occasionally but overall very happy with the sound quality. Maybe the mods we did to be able to use the moulded headphones helped there, as we were only using them at maybe half volume because of that.

[Wedge]

Bump, has anyone else bought these? Currently in the market for some blue tooth headsets that will communicate with up to 4 riders simultaneously.

mattDC5R
What are your thoughts a few months on?