I've been contemplating removing my oggies because of potential damage to the bike in a "high" speed drop. These ones sound like a viable alternative. Whatcha reckon?
LSL Frame Sliders (no fairing mods) 05-06 Suzuki GSXR1000 from SportbikeTrackGear.com
Originally Posted by Cosimo_Zaretti
they look heaps better....
Home is where the Art is.
says they stop the bike spinning lol thats what I'm more interested in..that and they won't dig into anything and flip the bike.
i think the problem with most crash protection is that they bolt onto the frame which when sustaining a hard hit bends the frame or on some bikes eg mine they bolt directly thru the main bolt witch also holds the motor and have a tendency to stuff the motor mounting points
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Hunter S. Thompson
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I have heard they can do more damage by twisting frame etc youd think thered be bars or something to slide on as opposed to knobs whos the tech heads in here i'm sure somebody could come up with something better
i think there main purpose is for stationary drops or low speed ones.They want do shit at speed lol
“Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death...
Hunter S. Thompson
“Everyone looks good riding a motorcycle, although for some, it requires a full-face helmet.”
I really dont think that little tab is going to do anything at all to stop a bike spinning, think about how heavy the bike is and the momentum compared to the tiny little tab thing.
they look cool though.
i had the type that mounts over the frame ... lowside at 50km/h ripped mount out and dented frame.
These ones are much better design but i would still like to see how they hold up in a crash
I have those on my Daytona. They look good but I have no idea how they will handle in a crash or a drop. I Dont intend on road testing them.
Where did you get em from Mattalux wouldn't mind fitting a set.
Don't waste your face!
LSL are a quality company so i'd love to see these in the flesh they look great.
So Oggy knobs cause bikes to flip?
I could find numerous videos of race bikes flipping that don't have oggy knobs...
Nothing is going to stop a bike spinning or flipping once it goes down...
There are far too many varibles to be taken into account...
Oggies and the like are for stationary or low speed drops and nothing more...
As for the ones the thread is about...I see no advantage...
Rich your attempt at logic is close minded and invariably flawed.
Oggies definitely cause extra damage but obviously dependent on the crash.
Face it more racers/track goers would use them if they didn't. I have seen numerous race bikes NOT spinning or flipping during a crash (sliding or 180 to 360).
According to multiple riders Oggy knobs can end up catching or digging in giving a "barrel roll" rotation input which flips a bike OR alternatively their length and central placement can cause a "bouncing" rotation, damaging more parts of the bike than a simple slide would have.
You are correct in that if the crash occurs with initial forces that are going to make the bike flip or spin then nothing is going to save it. You miss the point. They are not designed to do this.
Why these are better than Oggy knobs or no Oggy knobs:
Firstly these extend alot less than Oggies and have a rounded shape, preventing the potential catching of it on any objects (think road riding) or digging in (think sand traps) and causing a flip or worse...a head bolt being ripped out/frame damaged etc. The length (or lack thereof) will also prevent the bike spinning on the axis of the slider and damaging more parts of the bike.
Now the "Non spin" insert. A simple idea but one you are not considering worthy because of a point i will quickly reiterate.
If the bike is going to spin or flip BEFORE the influence of an oggy knob is forced upon it then yes these won't do jack...HOWEVER. If the bike wasn't going to spin or flip due to the initial forces or "variables" (as we see in races plenty of drops aren't that bad) and you compare this style to the "stick out" oggy with no "direction prevention" thats is known to cause the bike to spin then I'd be willing to bet ($150AU) that it has a damn sight better chance of preventing such an occurrence.
Oggies were initially for stationary and low speed drops, correct. This is an evolution of a product and as such its spectrum of use can change.
So to sum up why I think your assesssment is poorly thought out,
"I see no advantage"
If $150AU can give a road or race rider an aesthetically and functionally superior product that provides protection to the fairings like original Oggy Knobs, without any of the reknowned pitfalls that stop riders from using them then there might be an advantage to see don't you think?
I have to ask are you being argumentative for the sake of it lol?
I have tested Oggies in a race crash...
Bike never flipped...
Oggies possibly prevented extra damage...
In fact they did such a good job of a high speed crash that I still use the same same handle bar and clutch lever that went down...
The only part I replaced was the rearset hanger, and only because it was bent and not broken...
The Oggies definitely saved the engine case from damage when I low sided on the left hander at barbs although the bracket did bend.
If I had race fairings on I probably wouldn't bother but with the street fairings I reckon they are a good thing.
Stunt cage FTW.
It has a dual purpose. ~ Tom Smitheringale
What's your point?
I never said Oggies are the devils work and will ass fuck your bike in every crash while providing no protection...
They CAN damage your bike where it wouldn't have been damaged in a crash without them, not they WILL...
The above statement is the SOLE detriment of Oggy Knobs and I would be keeping mine if these hadn't come out. This new style takes steps to counter this detrimental aspect...
I'm also glad they worked for you Rich and you Corona but does that mean they will work every time or even often without doing any of the increased damage that they CAN do...?
From MANY accounts the obvious answer is NO...
It is up to the rider whether they choose after weighing up the benefit to risk factors...
Rich you seem to think that these statements pertaining to one experience (which is all true - I'm not arguing that) followed by ... negate the advantages I listed of these over the original style...?
With these LSL sliders a rider can weigh up the same benefit to risk factor and it will be alot more favourable than risking the use of Oggy Knobs in riding or racing...
The main point of these is to save what? FAIRINGS!!! Thats where the $$$ are. These sliders will do that quite effectively and yes so the Oggy's will too but at what potential cost...?
No offence mate but you're being stubborn without a reason which makes any further discussion utterly pointless and personal analogies of this time where oggies saved you doesn't mean jack to my original question OR what I have said OR what you originally posted, that being you see no advantage of these LSL's over Oggys...
Not to mention either that you haven't addressed or attempted to refute the theory behind a single one of my points directly...
Just once more just in case. I am not saying Oggys are shit!!! I am saying these look like a better or if you prefer safer way to do the same job...
I rest my case...
Good thing I'm on site and bored lol. I'll be getting some anyway and I'll let you know how they go when I hit the deck for the first time.
if the crash knobs don't stick out as much, chances are you'll lose clip-ons, levers, bar-ends, indicators, etc.
when indicators hit the deck, they love to smash out the surrounding fairing plastic.
just a thought.
Good point. I've waited for someone to bring that up.
I don't know about costs of indicators and those other bits but fairings are where the $$$ are. I guess its a choice of maybe saying goodbye to an indicator/fairing due to what you said (I'd hope and expect that LSL tested their effectiveness at preventing such things to a degree) but when its that or maybe a headbolt or the frame or the bike possibly flipping or spinning I'd choose the indicator. For me levers aren't an issue as they are ASV Unbreakable with warranty and I've got some delrin bar ends coming. Also obviously a racebike won't have that problem but they do have fairings and headbolts lol.
I guess a few incidents are needed with the new style to prove their effectiveness or lack of it.
pretty sure most of these crash knobs are designed to save your engine, not your fairings.
You get one on each side around the middle of the bike. if you were to lay your bike down on its side it won't stop the tail or front fairings hitting the deck and the handlebars will usually tuck meaning the next thing hitting the deck is your indicators or the front of the side fairings.
having experienced the effectiveness of crash knobs in various circumstances, i have never once seen them save fairings from damage.
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