new style of frame sliders - thoughts?

[ninjaa]

when indicators hit the deck, they love to smash out the surrounding fairing plastic.

+1 Made it difficult to pass pits

[filbert]

wow i thought this was a thread asking opinions not a sales lecture on the virtues of a new product. From the veracity of the arguments presented it became obvious you had already decided and merely wanted an opportunity to tell us why your opinion was right.

[emuexport]

anything could make your bike flip like rich said. I lowsided at barbs at serious speed and could have riden the bike straight after if my shoulder hadnt dug in the sand and dislocated. the only reason the bike was fine was cos of the crash knobbs that saved the engine frame etc from serious damage but not every crash is gonna be the same and your pegs and handlebars etc could also cos your bike to flip etc. So it's a gamble really as far as I am concerned.

back OT they do look pretty cool. I'd prefer the top blocks but I'm not willing to pay crazy money.

[Rich]

If thats what they are, then they won't be protecting your fairings...

And if thats the sort of protection type you are after, just buy Woodcraft...

[Rich]

Woops...

Not LSL...but similar mounting...

[Captain Starfish]

Stunt cage FTW.

Nah man, cage tore the engine mount out.

[Rich]

Nah man, cage tore the engine mount out.

And a slow speed crash left me with no front brake and a busted rearset...

[thro]

According to multiple riders Oggy knobs can end up catching or digging in giving a "barrel roll" rotation input which flips a bike OR alternatively their length and central placement can cause a "bouncing" rotation, damaging more parts of the bike than a simple slide would have.

So can handlebars and footpegs (guess you better take them off too?), luck of the draw.

Fact is if you crash, all bets are off.


I've had a stationary drop on my road bike (some dickhead backed into it) and the crash knobs saved a heap of damage.

Track? Get race glass, engine casings and replace the other bits that get broken.


Oggies may or may not help, but preventing significant crash damage on track is not what they're really intended for.... more for protecting your expensive road fairings in the event of a minor drop...

[jobbo]

wow i thought this was a thread asking opinions not a sales lecture on the virtues of a new product. From the veracity of the arguments presented it became obvious you had already decided and merely wanted an opportunity to tell us why your opinion was right.

Mate...o m g

Look at my original question. Then look at Rich's reply. I'm quite suprised that you can't see why I got fired up lol.

Did he try to answer my question? OWAI...No! Instead he went off on a tangent addressing oggys and that nothing will stop the bike flipping or spinning. I don't understand how something so simple can be missed. There is a KNOWN potential that oggy knobs will cause this and possibly engine and or frame damage (road or track).

If you crash you MAY flip your bike, you MAY have it slide...this is an UNKNOWN chance.

If you don't have Oggys on the bike any flip, excessive spin or damage that would have been caused by an Oggy knob IF (note the fucking if) it dug in or let the bike spin easier or whatever (NOTE: NOT A FOOTPEG ETC OR THE PHYSICS OF THE CRASH SANS OGGYS) then there WON'T be a flip will there!

So what if this is only a certain percentage of chance this will happen? It is a fact to consider when weighing up the pros and cons of using them.

Thro, For one I am talking about road and track. Two, Oggys are hardly as vital as handlebars or footpegs not to mention they can't bend your frame or damage your engine so I'll leave you to contemplate that intellectual jewel. Thirdly you say Oggys may or may not help." Here you forgot this bit, AND THEY MAY (no matter how small the chance) TOTALLY ASS FUCK YOUR BIKE when (without oggys and with LSL's instead) it MAY have just slid to a stop with minor damage.

Luck of the draw? Yeah it is, well to a degree which I'll show you with this wonderful analogy.

Guess what! If there are ten straws in my hand and you take one straw out of my hand you have a one in ten chance (of flipping due to footpeg, handebar, crash physics or whatever), THEN IMAGINE THIS IT WILL BLOW YOUR FUCKING MIND BRO!!! You take two straws (say you put on oggy knobs) and you have TWO TIMES or DOUBLE the chance...so luck of the draw is INFLUENCED as you are increasing your chance by an unknown percentage. Obviously as it is unknown it won't be exactly two times the chance but it will be more of a chance. This doesn't mean you will crash and cause oggy based damage for even the next ten drops...but there is a chance and thats chance added to the normal chance is a NEGATIVE issue or con when considering Oggys for WHATEVER reason.

I just wanted to know what people thought of THEM, the LSl's, not the fucking Oggys and whether or not they can cause a bike to flip. My opinion is focusing on the LSLs.

Rich gave NO valid information pertaining to my question on the product!!! He said stuff about oggys which was true but neglected to consider the increased chance of a flip or damage and a total of this on the LSL's: I see no advantage...Hardly a convincing argument based on anything. You wonder why I decided to tell him what I did when he was ignoring my question, the product itself and on top of that misinterpreted or deliberately went off tangent on what I said about oggy knobs.

Emu yes what Rich said is completely true but now you should be able to understand where I'm coming from...the increased chance has nothing to do with the protection the Oggys provide and the protection they provide is something I NEVER disputed. Maybe you are all confused by something having the ability to protect but POSSIBLY cause more harm than good at the same time???

Filbert, Drifter is the first one to say anything worthwhile and gave the first argument (with an actual opinion on how the LSL's would work/not work.

Also you look at the picture on STG and that is not where they are placed...they are in the fairing gap up and to the right, just like Oggys.

I didn't want to tell everyone I was right...I wanted to stimulate some decent discussion on the product which people completely bypassed because they misinterpreted my statements of flipping and spinning. One last fucken time: I was talking in regards to the bike flipping or spinning solely caused by Oggys and that LSLs design would help prevent this, NOT pointless discussion on if the bike didn't have Oggys or if the bike was going to do this anyway and the LSL's would prevent it. Come the fuck on I really didn't think I had to make that this clear.

[filbert]

unbunch it's just the internet sandy vagina much?

[jobbo]

Lol I just felt like saying whats what, its either that or studying in my donga...and fk that.

Wonder why I have beef? I posted up a review thread in a section made for reviews.

Some asshats decided to derail the thread’s purpose, twist what I said, argue a known fact about Oggys by ignoring it and praising them instead. Then saying the markedly different new product as identical to the old product without any description why.

This bastardised avenue of cock puppetry was then bandwagon-ised by a couple of other people who decide that arguing without reason due to I suspect arousal at the thought of being wankers and a product review that is there to give a balanced insight for those in the market is butthurt into oblivion. Such behaviour is, well...bordering on retarded.

Now, I asked if the LSL's were a viable alternative.

My opinion is that these LSL sliders look like a good upgrade considering their design prevents this possibility, maybe at the cost of reduced protection I don’t know.

Just incase anyone else doesn't get their purpose;

Read the product properly and think for a minute about how it is supposed to work. Clearly they mean that the non-spin tabs are only designed as an improvement over traditional sliders that had the inherent problem of increasing the ease with which the bike spins on the axis of the slider. It is intended to only eliminate this problem...honestly did any of you really think a company would be so stupid as to claim that a 4x2 cm slider insert is intended to stop an already spinning bike? As for digging in the LSL's are reduced in length and have a rounded design which should prevent this but maybe at a cost in effective protection I guess.

If you have an opinion on the LSL's for them or against them by all means hit post but only if you are going to elaborate on the reason(s) you do or don't like the LSL's.

[filbert]

i was going to buy some for the hyperretard but i think i'll just run without since the odds seem about the same. They might save your bike but they may also write it off from a minor drop, guess i'll just have to keep trying not to fall off

[Corona White]

Doesn't look like an original idea although the puck design may be an improvement over these. If your main concern is damage to the engine case and you have no concern as to the fairings then go for it and don't get so twisted over it.

Either way if you crash it your going to break shit. Occupational hazard of being a bike I guess.

[jobbo]

You do realise the pic rich posted is wrong? They sit where normal oggys do.

"LSL Crash Pads are more than just protection for your expensive bodywork and case covers."

They have designed with preventing damage to the fairings AND case covers.

I'm damn keen to protect both so not sure what you meant there. Scratched fairings can be fixed. Smashed ones can't. As for the engine casing, aftermarket rearsets and these should keep them off the bitumen.

[Corona White]

Depends what bike you have and if you go the no cut model or not. Not every bike is the same and LSL have to design to suit.


09 GSXR

Other models you have a choice such as the 08 600/750 some you don't have a no cut option. Depends on the bike

[Mattalux]

I got them from TJ at ridersdiscount.com which is an American online store. He was offering them as a special through triumph675.net for $189 + $25 shipping.

[shan]

Looks ugly, woodcraft do it better

[BlackFZR]

You do realise the pic rich posted is wrong? They sit where normal oggys do.

"LSL Crash Pads are more than just protection for your expensive bodywork and case covers."

They have designed with preventing damage to the fairings AND case covers.

I'm damn keen to protect both so not sure what you meant there. Scratched fairings can be fixed. Smashed ones can't. As for the engine casing, aftermarket rearsets and these should keep them off the bitumen.

Apart from some clever marketing wording, LSL don't have anything to actually show that they are able to do this.

The LSL will be exactly the same as the Oggies. In some circumstances they will protect your fairings, casings etc. In other circumstances they won't.

I've seen two bikes go down with LSL sliders. one spin around on the slider and tore off the tail section and destroyed the subframe. The other bent the slider mount, and destroyed the engine case and stator, but protected the fairings. Both which is supposedly protected by their wording above.

Is it money well spent? It depends on the circumstances.

Can you cover all the circumstances? Yes, stop riding your bike, wrap it in bubblewrap in your shed and never touch it again.

[filbert]

which was the argument i saw rich present BlackFZR, that it would be pointless to remove perfectly good oggies to fit something unproven, untested and by most reports pretty much the same risks associated with oggies.

A bit of clever wording in the marketing to say that their new product copied from the original idea is superior, but no guarantees or actual proof. If you were starting from scratch and decided you wanted some form of crash protection then the LSL may be a good choice over ozynobs aka oggies, but to remove one system and pay for another due to a risk that is only claimed to be reduced seems a little silly.
Put the $150 towards some race glass, sure it's more expensive but i've seen some horrendous slides on race glass, where the bike was trailered home and the stock fairings fitted to ride to work monday.

[Rich]

Yet again someone asks for an opinion and then gets all butthurt when they get opinions different to their own...