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    Thumbs up Product review - Blackstone Tek (BST) carbon fibre rims

    Oh.
    My.
    God!

    I have to say, firstly, that I've only got the front on at the moment, as I'm still waiting for the 520 chain and front sprocket to get here that will match the Stealth sprocket I bought for the rear BST rim, so this little impression is based on only the front BST rim being on the bike with the rear being the standard rim with a very worn Bridgestone 016.

    I've done a few mods to bikes and I've ridden a few that have been modded but I haven't seen or done anything that transforms a bike like my GSXR1000 has now been transformed. It really is a different bike and has changed all areas of handling - acceleration, braking and maneuverability.

    The GSXRs have always been good at hoisting a front wheel, due to torque and/or geometry, and carrying it down the road, and the K9 is no different. In fact, the balance point is wide on the K9 and it's so easy to carry for... well, I digress. The thing is, within 4 or 5 metres of pulling out of my driveway the front wheel was heading skyward. It wasn't a violent snap of the throttle or anything, I just pulled out, straightened up and accelerated as I normally do.

    The new rubber (Michelin Pilot Pure) meant I was taking it easy for a few blocks and also meant the profile was slightly different to the Bridgestone 016s that the Gixxer came with standard. Even so, the feeling as I flicked through the roundabout, turned down a sideroad and took some of those traffic calming chicanes was amazing. The front end feels so flickable. It truly makes the R1SP I have, with those gorgeous light-weight Marchesini wheels) feel sluggish by comparison. The only thing I can compare it to is riding a pushbike and just deciding to flick the wheel out around a pot hole or similar. If you think it, it does it.

    Braking feels better somehow, too. It's like the brakes aren't working as hard to stop the wheel spinning or something. It felt as though I was able to wash speed off a little easier.

    One thing I noticed with the R1, and can now fairly confidently put down the lighter Marchesini rims, is the bike feels a little more flighty. I suspected that in the same way that the handling is now more responsive and easier to change line with, it is easier for a bump mid-corner to knock you off-line. Obviously the tyre/rim combination has less momentum so it makes sense that it will 'feel' bumps more than a heavier rim would. It's not unnerving and certainly not something that worries me. I would describe it as being able to feel what the tyre and road are doing more now than you used to be able to before. Yes, the bike may change line easier if you hit a bump, but it is ever so much easier to change line yourself, too.

    I cannot wait to see what effect the rear rim has when I put it on. It is probably a good way to test these rims as the 520 pitch Stealth sprocket for the BST isn't available as a standard 42-tooth, so I've opted for a 43. That will give it just a little bit more kick, but I'm wondering already if it is a mistake. The Gix feels like it's picked up a few horses already and the rear BST will make a bigger difference than the front did, as there is a bigger weight difference.

    Anyway, the couple of kilometres I've done tonight, in the dark, on fresh rubber with only a front wheel to compare has made a huge impression. To anyone that has ever thought about BST rims, I can easily say that it will be the best bang for your buck that you will ever spend on your bike.

    And they look absolutely gorgeous.

    EDIT:
    So I finally received my order with the front sprocket and the 520 chain so I put the rear on a few days ago.
    I also fitted Gilles chain adjusters, plus the Stealth sprocket I had was painted so that the gold carrier in the centre is now black.



    This bike is now easily the best I have ever ridden in terms of handling. The ability to throw it from one side to the other with minimal effort and the speed at which it does it is hard to describe. I can push harder now but with less effort. I'm not muscling the bike around as I used to but it does everything I ask, faster and easier.

    As far as modifications go, this is the best thing I have ever done. I've wanted BST rims since my old 2002 Gixxer landed in my garage. It didn't feel right to swap the Marchesini rims off the R1SP so now I have the bike for it, and I'm glad I did.

    If you ever have the chance to buy lighter rims, do it. If you can afford the BSTs, and the darker rim will suit your bike, then I will guarantee you won't be sorry.
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    Yay!!

    Another convert.....

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    Less rotational mass at the edge of the rim means the bike has less inertia to overcome with steering & less mass to slow down under brakes; I'd say your seat of the pants dyno is working perfectly .

    Rear will give you more available power that translates into monentum as power is not being consumed accelerating the wheel mass.

    Just be wary about bring the front down too hard, they're real strong but have limited flex when compared to ally.
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    Congratulations, everything you heard is true! They are awesome. By the way, BSTs' have the same sprocket bolt PCD as Marchesinis, so any sprocket that fits Marchies will fit BSTs'.

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    What was the damage on the rims?

    Sourced in Australia??

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    Also interested in price landed?..guessing somewhere in the 3.5 - 4k mark for a set??

    Always wanted to ride a bike with carbon fibre rims. They look hawt as too.
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    Long story, Jules.
    I arranged a group buy with the Aussie distributor but upon checking the BST website one day I noticed they had dropped the Aussie distributor so I contacted BST in South Africa and they said they'd honour the original deal I had, plus absorb the import costs when they landed here. I thought that was fair, seeing as I wouldn't have to pay any duties if I bought them here. Price was just under 4k.
    Needless to say I am totally stoked with the way things have worked out. Blackstone Tek were great to deal with. I had quite a few questions relating to what rotors would fit, what sprockets were available, why Rich's rims were listed as 916 instead of S4R (apparently they just use a different spacer or something), why Broms didn't have a sprocket carrier listed with his set (belt drive) and so on. They were awesome, always answering my questions promptly. Even when I noticed the front wheel seemed to have a different offset from centre to where the bearings sit, they replied and said it all looked fine (I sent pics) and that I should fit them and see how it goes. It turns out the axle has a larger end on one side and it forces the rim to sit in from the fork on one side.

    So yeh, really pleased. I have always wanted BST rims as, IMO, they are the best on the market and pretty much any searching I conducted resulted in the same opinion being out there in the WWW, too. Now I finally have them, I'm stoked. The Gix isn't meant to be a show bike, or even a bike I intend to spend a lot on, but this was something I always wanted to do and I wouldn't hesitate to do it again. The result is awesome. On the way to work this morning the bike just feels so much easier to maneuver through traffic. Brilliant.
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    Excellent news Hornet!!

    Wait until you get some track time!!

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    Track is for weaklings that can't handle the random and inexplicable behaviour of WA road users. I'll stick with the excitement of sand, water, potholes, bumps, grates, manholes and under-skilled and under-trained commuters, thanks.
    And speed cameras.
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    I dont believe that Stoner will be the World Moto GP Champion ever again.
    In an interview with the New Scientist magazine marking his birthday, Stephen Hawking was asked what he thought about most during the day, and replied: "Women. They are a complete mystery."
    Amen, brother. Amen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    Track is for weaklings that can't handle the random and inexplicable behaviour of WA road users. I'll stick with the excitement of sand, water, potholes, bumps, grates, manholes and under-skilled and under-trained commuters, thanks.
    And speed cameras.
    the track is not for people who like to think they are fast but never want to test their ability.

    not saying anthing personal Hornet, but wouldn't you like to try.
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    Ha Ha!!

    I guess I will stick with the use of both Track and Road........

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    I knew I'd get a bite with that comment, but didn't know you'd bite so easily, Arwon. Take it personally, much? Love how the track junkies take it so personally.
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    Amen, brother. Amen.

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    dont think i take it personally really, i mean my road bike is far more advanced than my race bike and i haven't raced last year either. Wouldn't you like to just go and see how much better these sorts of advancments are, i have taken my road bike onto the track and i feel it turns better than the race bike, but you really should try, even if only trackdays
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    I'm waiting for Hewie to organise another PSB trackday.
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    In an interview with the New Scientist magazine marking his birthday, Stephen Hawking was asked what he thought about most during the day, and replied: "Women. They are a complete mystery."
    Amen, brother. Amen.

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    I reckon I notice the differences less on the track than the road! On the track, sure they're easy to change direction, they brake and accelerate quicker, and might knock of a couple of seconds or more. On the road, they react differently to the million different surfaces, cambers and changes in elevation. I am much more aware of the effects on the road, than on the track. But maybe that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbonar1 View Post
    I reckon I notice the differences less on the track than the road! On the track, sure they're easy to change direction, they brake and accelerate quicker, and might knock of a couple of seconds or more. On the road, they react differently to the million different surfaces, cambers and changes in elevation. I am much more aware of the effects on the road, than on the track. But maybe that's just me.
    Wayyyy different on the track..
    Like you have already stated, easier to change direction, better braking + acceleration means less effort required
    from the rider, less effort means greater endurance...
    With the added bonus of possibly quicker times.

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    i have heard the kevlar belts used in the power pures save around 2 pound per tyre or nearly 1 kg. have not seen any accurate weights compared but definately felt lighter in the shop this arvo.
    am thinking maybe those tyres for the bst rims but not keen on the front wearing with the heavy zx12.

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    Lighter compared to???

    Old Pilot powers?

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    yeah the pp 2ct

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    Can't wait to get my wheels...

    Power Pures are claimed to be 2lbs lighter for the pair than, BT-016, Dunlop Qualifer 2, Metzler Sportec 3, and Pirelli Diablo Rosso...

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