to turbo or not to turbo? zx10

[hammer]

ok last thread failed because some ppl didnt really wanna keep with the idea of the thread so ill try again

im doin up the go side of my bike and am now considering going the way of turbo

this question goes out to all our turbo riders tys ,rocket, grince and im sure there are a few others i dont know of

either way id like to know where you got yours?
what kind of turbo may be required for the 08'zx10?
and any hiccups you may have had along the way or any tips to get me on my way?

and lil specs that may make my mission easier

i wanna do best part of the install myself with maybe the option of phone a friend.then send off to a tuner to finish it off

i want it to go but still be streetable.

what are your thoughts

lets try and stay on topic this time as i am trying to be serious (for a change)

[thro]

Not a turbo bike rider, but modified turbo cage owner...


As far as turbo selection goes, work out realistically what horsepower you want and go from there. The way turbos work, they don't "add" X hp, they have a max/efficient flow rate in CFM or horsepower.

If you want, for example, 300hp, then you want a turbo that flows 300hp within the boundaries of its efficiency range (eg could be a GT2860, GT2871 in small trim, etc). If you want 550hp, you might go for a GT35, etc. To be "worth" doing at all, I'd say you'd be looking at 250hp+, as you could likely get 200 ish without the expense and other compromises of going down the turbo path.

Do you want to spend the $$$ to build the motor with upgraded forged internals, or not? Do you want to do stuff like lowering, extended swingarms, etc? All of this will probably have bearing on how much power is obtainable/useful (and thus, put an upper boundary on what size turbo you want).


Once you have a horsepower figure in mind, then you can select your turbo and attempt to make it fit


edit:
Once you have the hp figure, i'd be talking to someone like Garrett directly (fire off queries to them in the US) as they'll be much more informed to tell you that HP figure X needs turbo selection Y to work well.... they have all the compressor maps, etc for their turbos available.

[Rocket]

PM sent.
Buy a kit from the US.
Custom or home built systems are expensive and/or time consuming.
You'd need someone to build your pipe work such as turbo manifold, link pipes, custom intercooler etc.
Kits usually fit right, look right and because they sell a lot (relitively), are mass produced so they are priced pretty well.
Plus they have already done the maths and development on what you need so it works right too.

[Mr M00se]

ZX-10 Turbo Kit

edit, realised its for the 06 zx10, but still gives a good idea of $$

[thro]

^^ add several hundred in tuning time as well - but yeah its not cheap.

[hammer]

really i want about 250-300rwhp as they are stock is around 160-170rwhp (dyno) not taking into account the claimed 15hp gain from ram air

i dont really wanna extend swingarm too much as i want it to look like a bit of a sleeper with bit of bling maybe 6inch if absolutly needed but i gotta remember that i dont want it purely for the strip

[Pobbler]

i find it difficult to keep the front wheel of the 10r down on the ground when taking off... as it is

so in reply to the thread title, if you don't want it purely for drag, then i say "not to turbo"

(change your gear ratio's to something stupid instead)

=]

[thro]

Any idea if you'd get up near 220hp (sure, its not 250, but we're still talking near on motoGP power here) with more aggressive cams, higher comp pistons and running higher octane fuel (i suspect that might be achievable)?

I don't think "sleeper" and "turbo" fit in the same idea - but if you were to go the naturally aspirated route, all the modifications will be internal

[Rich]

really i want about 250-300rwhp....

I believe to get to 250-300 rwhp you require a fair bit of boost...+10psi...

So then you really require intercooler...

The 200-250rwhp area is cheaper...with a new bike its a case of bolt on turbo feed a max of 7psi and thats about it...PCIII and pipe...

Those sort of bikes have appeared in RAPID Bikes mag a number of times...

Seems the "sensible" way to go...

[browser05]

If you want good information about turboing your bike get intouch with the guys from S & R pro in NSW, they do hundreds of turbo conversions on all bikes.
Their web site is
www.sandrpro.com.au

[the[K]id]

On paper the earler models of zx10r would make a better base (apart from poorer brakes). The new engine is up around 13hp, mostly due to intake work (that your probably going to trash anyway with a turbo setup) and also with smaller zorst valves and ports to keep velocity up (which is a step backward for a turbo setup).

Oh, and last thread failed because you weren't specific in what you asked. Kind of like this one, in which people seem to have trouble telling you what will work since you don't seem to want to go all out drag, but haven't said what you *do* want...

PS: Weight is free horse power, zorst (10's come with ugly system anyway) + Al + Ti = reliable speed with no running cost increase

[scampy]

It's pretty hard to hide a turbo on a bike, especially one that's going to give you a reliable 300hp. Like Rich said, you'll need an intercooler with a setup like that, and that's going to be easily visible behind the forks, unless you go the water-cooling route, which will add a lot of weight to the bike.

I wish I could find pics of it, but I have seen a turbo R1 from the US where the intercooler is hidden in the tail section. Apparently it works and the owner claims 400hp at the rear tyre... not sure if I believe him though, after all, Americans have their reputations for good reasons.

I'd recommend modding the engine to get more power without resorting to forced induction, then trying to go the rest of the way with NOS. Easier to hide than a turbo, it doesn't have to be on all the time like a turbo, but a lot less legal if you're going to be using it on the street.

Maybe give the boys at Rilusi a call? They're mad enough to jump onboard an idea like this.