PSB and Member Interaction with Local Stores

[BlackFZR]

I have just been contacted by Draggin's Australia due to a furore which has evolved due to the current PSB Draggin's Group Buy. Although Draggin's Australia is aware of PSB, and are very happy about our patronage/business, their business was attacked, indirectly, by a few PSB members doing the wrong thing.......

It seems that there have been a few members (I have no idea who or how many) that have approached a few stores around Perth and mentioned that there is currently a GB on Draggin's, and then asked if the store can match the prices advertised from last years GB, for their own personal purchase. This has lead to the stores then calling Draggin's Australia and demanding that they take their stock back, as there was evidence of a price disparity between their store and others. This could have meant that Draggin's Australia would have lost a huge amount of business on the West Coast due to a few greedy individuals trying to cash in on prices associated with a Group Buy.

[i]As a member of PSB you have the opportunity to be involved in GB&#39;s advertised on this site. You do not approach the staff of any stores on behalf of PSB to get prices, unless authorised by one of the PSB staff/moderators. You can not use the knowledge of prices advertised here to try and get a similar price from another store, purely by mentioning that you can get it for a certain price on PSB.</span>

As a part of this, your PSB Key pass means nothing to any store unless they are on the list, and even then, it only means a discount as is shown on that list, nothing more. If the store is not on the list, do not say you are part of PSB, and ask what type of discount can they give you.

It is known that some stores not on the list may give discounts to PSBer&#39;s however we do not wish to have this imposed on them purely because someone says "Such and Such Store gave me a discount because I am in PSB.....", unless they wish to be involved in the Key pass program.

This is another example of some few members who are destroying it for the majority. You think a few motorcyclists are giving motorcyclists a bad name? Now a few members of PSB are giving PSB a bad name, not just with local stores, but the Australian Suppliers.......

This is truly ruining a lot of hard work that have been put in by some individuals for the benefit of you. The key pass is a privilege, not a right, and as it looks at the moment, that privilege may be taken away, not necessarily by PSB, but by the stores who no longer wish to deal with us.

<span style="color:#33CC00">Now, having said all this, do not be concerned, the group buy is still on, however there are going to be some major changes on how they operate in the future to ensure that this doesn&#39;t happen again <_<

[sabre1]

typical the few screwing things up for the many

[EMVY]

I hope everyone reads this post and takes it very seriously or you will have some very, very pissed off people on your case if you are caught.

Is it worth putting an "ethics" statement in the welcome thread for noobies to read also

[Spike]

last thing needed is all the hard work gettin put into psb coming undone by a few knobjockeys

[jules_1972]

Selfish self centred people!!


Hang Em.....

[Rob]

[lee]

I WILL KICK YOU IN THE BALLS MR STINGY FUCKERS TRYING TO BANK ON OUR GOOD NAME

[tigerleo]

Such a farkin shame that some people have a need to save an extra dollar or two or perhaps get something a little quicker by playing off a PSB group buy on our local stores... No wonder Hewie has threatened to cancel arranging PSB group buys in the past... it won&#39;t be long before Tim decides to do the same with the egg that he must now have on his face that he did not ask for or warrant.

Sure, PSB is one hell of a sexy forum to be a part off, but we certainly are not the be-all & end-all in the biking community that enables &#39;members&#39; to use the PSB name to lord it over whom ever we want.



Tim, I feel sorry for you mate - this just makes it even harder now for you to deal with local and national suppliers... hopefully they have short memories or the PSB name will be mud if this sort of crap by selfish individuals persists

[dugy]

As above. Poor form.
But you can&#39;t seriously expect dealers not to find out about this and other GB&#39;s???
(Given the open forum and people talking.)

This has lead to the stores then calling Draggin&#39;s Australia and demanding that they take their stock back, as there was evidence of a price disparity between their store and others.[/b]

But isn&#39;t that getting close to price fixing?
Also, IIRC wasn&#39;t the last Draggin&#39; GB from a certain local shop anyway?
If they don&#39;t want to sell it at a certain price, tough titty.
Could you imagine Retravision/Harvey Norman calling Sony everytime a customer said I can get it for "X" here.
Pass them the tissues.


That said.....the customer service I know of people receiving from Draggin’s has been second to none so best keep them happy.

[Taylor]

Great... just great. Now we have even more work to do to bring up the goodwill among the Perth motorcycle community. Seriously people, treat PSB like a fight club! You don&#39;t go around telling everyone about it, you offer those few that might not be a part of it a chance to find out more but on the whole your participation isn&#39;t something to advertise. Those in the know, already know.

Sorry Tim, the collosal fan is set to full at the moment, I really appreciate your representation and time. Thanks mate.

[Dejavu]

aahhhh fk.. wot a pain in the arse
name and shame if we get to find out who fkd up

[TYSON]

But isn&#39;t that getting close to price fixing?
[/b]

No, dealers will all get different prices based on performance, what they do to promote the product etc.

Could you imagine Retravision/Harvey Norman calling Sony everytime a customer said I can get it for "X" here.
[/b]

Actually they do, having sold to harvey&#39;s before they will bitch and moan when a competitor is selling your product cheaper than they can.

[dugy]

Ahh ok.

[BlackFZR]

But you can&#39;t seriously expect dealers not to find out about this and other GB&#39;s???
(Given the open forum and people talking.)[/b]

Dugy, I don&#39;t mind other stores knowing about it at all. I mind individual members going into any store, and trying to get their own purchase of 1 pair of jeans outside of a GB of 60+ items at a price lower than the GB purely because it exists and they can quote a price that was posted on this site. When with their additional number we could get a better deal for all the people involved in the GB.... if you follow that

Seriously people, treat PSB like a fight club! You don&#39;t go around telling everyone about it, you offer those few that might not be a part of it a chance to find out more but on the whole your participation isn&#39;t something to advertise.[/b]

I don&#39;t quite think this is the correct solution either. If you are interested in being part of a GB, post your interest and leave it up to the coordinator to organize. If you have any questions, ask the coordinator. Otherwise, don&#39;t use that knowledge for your own personal gain. As I said, hopefully the way GB&#39;s run in the future will change so that this no longer is as much of a problem.

PSB as an entity is not to blame here, so keeping it a secret doesn&#39;t help anyone. It is a few individuals using the PSB name for their own benefit, and affecting every other member of PSB by default....... Similar to any road users who give a bad name to Motorcycle riders, 200sx drivers, 4wd owners etc.

[tigerleo]

No, dealers will all get different prices based on performance, what they do to promote the product etc.

[/b]

Exactly - depending on volume they will get a discount...

I have a good mate who is a sales rep for a major Aus musical instrument distributor, and as such, I can get gear at RRP minus 34% (the same as the stores buy it for). If my mate has a large order with a store then I can get that product at their reduced price... so I can &#39;piggy-back&#39; on a store&#39;s bulk order...

However, my mate has said very clearly "Do not EVER go in to any store and say &#39;I can get it at x dollars from the distributer&#39; as the store will say we (the wholesaler/distributer) is under cutting their market - and they will go else where for their stock from a competing supplier (and therefore a different manufacturer)..."

That is what people are doing by going into local stores and saying PSB can get a better price from a manufacturer/supplier than the stores can offer plus mark-up... No store is going to continue selling a product if they feel that the manufacturer/supplier is under-cutting them and competing with their retail business.


There is a saying: "Do not bite that hand that feeds you". Unfortunately this is what people are doing by going around saying what &#39;PSB&#39; can get items for in a GB.

[Uncle Ho]

Sucks.. but before we cut peoples balls off lets play devils advocate, then you can cut mine off if I am wrong … what if it had been fellow riders but non-PSB members who had visited our great site. Who is to stop them seeing the thread and using that information to bargain and say they are PerthStreetBikes members. Did they actually show the keytag.

Now this leads me to suggest that group buys should not visible/accessable to non-members…

Thoughts Mods? Should not be just visible to PSB Certified otherwise you would have to certify the real people on PSB

[TYSON]

Sucks.. but before we cut peoples balls off lets play devils advocate, then you can cut mine off if I am wrong … what if it had been fellow riders but non-PSB members who had visited our great site. Who is to stop them seeing the thread and using that information to bargain and say they are PerthStreetBikes members. Did they actually show the keytag.

Now this leads me to suggest that group buys should not visible/accessable to non-members…

Thoughts Mods? Should not be just visible to PSB Certified otherwise you would have to certify the real people on PSB
[/b]

You have to registered to see topics that aren&#39;t in the guest area

[Desmo]

Thoughts Mods? Should not be just visible to PSB Certified otherwise you would have to certify the real people on PSB
[/b]

Superiority sucks.
The whole point of a group buy is to make it viable via volume buying.
This makes gear not normally accessible to newbs affordable.
Up with communism.
It still doesn&#39;t hide the fact that these people are arsehats.
I don&#39;t expect preferential treatment because of a keyring.
I do expect it when my face is recognised because I&#39;ve spent money there before and will again.
Goddamn freeloaders.

[Jonchilds]

Now this leads me to suggest that group buys should not visible/accessable to non-members…

Thoughts Mods? Should not be just visible to PSB Certified otherwise you would have to certify the real people on PSB
[/b]

Out of 3000 members, there&#39;s only 100-200 certified and the keytags are available to non-certified members as well as those who are certified.

There&#39;s also nothing stopping anyone from joining in on the group buy, regardless of PSB affiliation or not, and that&#39;s probably the point that leaves the most sour taste - if you&#39;ve read the GB thread, and want a pair of Draggin&#39;s, then post your EOI in the bloody thread.

[BlackFZR]

What if it had been fellow riders but non-PSB members who had visited our great site. Who is to stop them seeing the thread and using that information to bargain and say they are PerthStreetBikes members. Did they actually show the keytag.

Now this leads me to suggest that group buys should not visible/accessable to non-members…
[/b]

There is a difference between non-members and certified. As Tyson said, people who haven&#39;t registered (non-members) can only see the guest area.

Certified is a different area not accessible by all registered members, only those who have been certified.

Thoughts Mods? Should not be just visible to PSB Certified otherwise you would have to certify the real people on PSB [/b]

This I will not deem to answer <_< even though it has emoticons

Shops have every right to not give a discount if you are a PSB member, but can&#39;t produce the Key pass. If you can&#39;t produce it, don&#39;t ask for the discount! However this is for them to "police" (wrong word I know, but it conveys what I mean)

As I had a discussion this afternoon with another member..... no Key pass, no discount. Otherwise there is the potential for any old person to claim they are PSB, purely based on something they overheard at a store.

The point here is that a few individuals, be they PSB members, or people claiming to PSB members have soured the name of PSB further, both to local stores, and through them, the supplier, and through the supplier, potentially every store they deal with. Grim sequence of events, but even a passing conversation can have an impact on someone&#39;s perception of a business, company, or entity such as PSB. NOT WHAT ANYONE WANTS..... Did I yell loud enough?