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all the big guns are testing today, so this is where it gets interesting,
Im sure the 3 top teams will be sand bagging a little....
RR
all the big guns are testing today, so this is where it gets interesting,
Im sure the 3 top teams will be sand bagging a little....
RR
At first I thought that too, then I remembered he was still in last years car. Built to the old rules and probably better car setup as the teams would still be adjusting the balance of their cars with no blown diffusers.
You are right about testing not meaning much. There would still be large car setup gains to make plus any other parts that they fit between now and the start of the season, which is still quite far away from a development point of view.
Its only testing... No sand bagging required.
Testing is not really about the times, its more so to ensure that all of the systems (cooling, electrics etc) & new components are working correctly and as they should be, with one another. Making sure the vehicle is seeing the same downforce as they were in the wind tunnel, trying to figure out how the new tyres wear and how many laps they may be able to get out of each compound, making sure that the car suits the driver etc.
The times and who comes out on top in testing almost becomes irrelevant when the season kicks off.
I wouldnt be worried about the times or sandbagging!
I think that Ferrari is not sandbagging but this year they are approaching the season in a different way. Its no surprise that Ferrari is little arrogant, and i think the general philosophy behind the team has change for this year. Ferrari where made to look like a bunch of fools in 2010, then 2011 they were clearly 3rd of the field. I think this year they are moving away from there normal way of thinking and trying to move the team forward in a new direction.
Rather than go out and try to prove they are the best in testing like years past, this year it looks like they have a strategy and want to really test out the car to see if it is working well.
having said that the general paddock consensus is that the ferrari is a failure
As edmands_3 said the 2011 cars will be quicker because of the blown defuser. All the teams have lost an incredible amount of downforce due to the new regulations and arent close to finding a solution yet for this. The letterbox on the front of the new RedBull is still a mystery for now but it may something to do with the KERS as someone said. Both Webber and Vettel had failures of there systems last year. But I think everyone is focused on getting the downforce up on these cars.
The F1 teams showing off their new 2012 cars wont be sandbagging because the once the car has been tested there can be NO changes to the chassis. The only things the teams have left to play with is new aero parts and setup. Maybe Mercedes have delayed their release to copy ideas and make changes before they start testing? or maybe their car is simply not ready yet? But one thing for sure Brawn is one of the smartest guys in the paddock second only to Newey and im sure there might be something special about there new car.....
One thing for sure is I love this car...
More day 2 pics
http://www.formula1.com/gallery/testing/2012/670.html
why because it looks ugly??
please explain?
RR
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Last edited by STEEDS; 09-02-2012 at 04:19 PM.
No idea its just the general rumours going around in the paddock! looking on alot of the f1 forums that is what people down at the testing are saying, Also Ferrari has be noted in saying there car still needs alot of work.
FYI Mercedes are using the 2011 purely to ran data on the new tyres, they are able to compare to last year how the new tyres perform and have a better benchmark as they know how the 2011 car performs. It is a huge gamble but as mention Brawn does know he stuff but even michael has been quote that the car will not be fighting for the championship just yet
Day 3 testing as follows:
Unofficial Thursday test times from Jerez:
1. Nico Rosberg, Mercedes*, 1:17.613, 118 Laps
2. Romain Grosjean, Lotus, 1:18.419, 117 Laps
3. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 1:19.297, 96 Laps
4. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 1:19.464, 80 Laps
5. Jean-Eric Vergne, Toro Rosso, 1:19.734, 79 Laps
6. Sergio Perez, Sauber, 1:19.770, 48 Laps
7. Fernando Alonso, Ferrari, 1:20.412, 67 Laps
8. Bruno Senna, Williams, 1:21.293, 125 Laps
9. Giedo van der Garde, Caterham, 1:23.324, 74 Laps
10. Jules Bianchi, Force India, no time, 2 Laps
* 2011 car
35 days and counting!!
Cmon Melbourne!!
RR
Ferrari not happy
Pat Fry says Ferrari not happy with where it is at the moment with new F1 car - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.comFerrari has admitted its new car is not delivering what it had been hoped for so far - but it has faith that it can get on top of its issues before the first race of the season.
After three days of extensive evaluation of its new F2012 at Jerez in Spain this week, Ferrari has confessed it is not yet in a position to feel totally comfortable with the progress it is making.
While main title rivals McLaren and Red Bull Racing have both openly declared their satisfaction with the early indications from their car, Ferrari is more circumspect about where it is at with its new challenger.
When asked by AUTOSPORT about whether Ferrari was where it wanted to be at this stage of testing, technical director Pat Fry said: "I am not happy with where we are at the moment.
"I think there is a lot of room for us to improve from where we are. Reliability wise it is good. Performance wise I think we are okay, but we can play around with the performance and improve [the car in] some corners and some particular parts of the corner, but I would not say I am happy yet until we get the whole thing working."
Fry suggested that the biggest issue Ferrari was facing was in trying to understand how to get its car into the perfect set-up, having opted for a radical design this season.
And, with just two more tests after this week's running in Jerez, Fry admitted that there was pressure to get on top of matters quickly.
"Certainly the three tests rather than four does compress things a little bit," he said. "I think we have got a lot of work to do.
"The basic platform is okay. We are looking at the various characteristics – and all the bits we have to test. We can play around with the through corner characteristics, so we can do different things at corner entry, mid corner to exit, and it is really trying to find the right balance of those things.
"We are working through a reasonably large matrix here, so on each run we are trying almost a different configuration. There is a lot of analysis here and then back at the factory. We are using the simulation and the simulator to make sure everything ties in, so we can put the right package together."
He added: "I think everything is a lot more compressed, so there is a lot of pressure on everyone. You have to try and make decisions quickly.
"We have a one-week break coming up, but then it is two solid weeks and then you are packing the freight for Melbourne. So there is a lot of work for everyone to do. It is the same for every team up the pit lane."
Fry said that there was no interest from his team in chasing headline-grabbing quick laptimes because, having lost a shakedown test to snow last week, it needed to maximise its running over the next few weeks.
"We are not concentrating on taking the fuel out and trying to set a laptime. With only 12 days of testing before the next race, we have to make the most of all the time we have got.
"We were set back a little bit by the foot of snow in Fiorano, certainly the first morning of Felipe [Massa] was spent doing what we would have done there, so we are now trying to play catch up. Right now, it is about trying to get the right package together."
Fry made it clear, however, that the difficulties the team was having with the car were not related to its decision to run a pull-rod front suspension.
"The front suspension is not that a big a deal to be honest," he said. "It is a small aero benefit, a small centre of gravity benefit, and I know it is different from what people have done in the past - but it is not that big a risk to be honest.
"With a sensible structure to come you sort it out. We have gone for every last little bit of performance. That was a small benefit and it cost us a small amount of weight, but the weight is low down and in the end it was the right thing to do."
Fry said that Ferrari was flying out new hydraulic parts overnight to ensure there was no repeat of the problem that prevented Alonso running for a part of Thursday.
"The first two days we did not really have any reliability issues as such. Today there was a small hydraulic issue. We will get some new bits this evening which hopefully will see that one put to bed.
"That side of it, I think – the car, reliability wise, seems quite good as normal. Performance wise, it is literally trying to get the right bits together so a lot of analysis is needed."
Asked for what his message would be to Ferrari fans, Fry said: "We are all working very hard..."
oh noes, won't somebody think of the fanboys!
Engage denial mode
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Day 4
Unofficial Friday test times from Jerez:
1. Fernando Alonso, Ferrari, 1:18.877, 39 Laps
2. Jean-Eric Vergne, Toro Rosso, 1:19.597, 80 Laps
3. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 1:19.606, 50 Laps
4. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 1:19.640, 86 Laps
5. Romain Grosjean, Lotus, 1:19.729, 95 Laps
6. Kamui Kobayashi, Sauber, 1:19.834, 76 Laps
7. Nico Hulkenberg, Force India, 1:19.977, 90 Laps
8. Bruno Senna, Williams, 1:20.132, 125 Laps
9. Jarno Trulli, Caterham, 1:22.198, 117 Laps
Go Fernando!!
RR
Looks like as soon as Alonso jump into the car on the 3rd day he was able to tell them what the problem was and they were able to sort it out. Rumor is now that ferrari car is built good it just getting the setup between the different parts right
Looks like Ricciardo is going to have a fight on his hands with Vergne. Midfield battle of the year.
A man's dog can live on nothing but anger, the taste of its own balls and smaller dogs.
There are rumours Riccardio may take Webbers spot next year if he does well this season?
Best of luck to him!
RR
Problem is Jean-Eric his team mate is very in with the big guns at Red Bull Racing.. so unless Riccardio can beat his team mate there is a very high chance that he will lose out to him if the seat at RBR open up if Mark Leaves
We wont know until Melbourne who will be quickest but one of Ricciardo's strengths is in qualifying. He regularly set fastest laps on the Friday practice in the Toro Rosso last season to embarrass Buemi and Alguersuari.
Ricciardo and Jean-Eric were both developed through the same Red Bull programme so they know each others strengths and weaknesses.... Cant wait
F1 will race in INDIA this year ??
yes they raced in India last year too
Lap of the Indian Grand Prix circuit with Mark Webber - YouTube
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