Night manouvers? (help)

[XSorXpire]

I have been invited to go on night manouvers with the army and the scouts in QLD in a couple of weeks.
Can anyone tell me what they are and what i will be up for if i agree to go?
It's a three day camp.

[TORQ]

Take lubricant.

[Ambian]

I have been invited to go on night manouvers with the army and the scouts in QLD in a couple of weeks.
Can anyone tell me what they are and what i will be up for if i agree to go?
It's a three day camp.

Take lubricant.

... Be Prepared.

[Shortfuse]

Do it. No-one will know what they have planned, but it will be a once in a lifetime thing if you are not a serving member. Worst case, use the scouts as a human shield.

[Captain Starfish]

No idea - but it's one of those opportunities that come but once.

Seize it.

[Shortfuse]

So, X. Have you been yet?

[XSorXpire]

Yea mate, gyped.
It was an orienteering camp for the eastern states scouts.
There were aprox 1500 boy scouts doing this, the army were hiden in the bush watching them. The info my sis was given was incorrect. I ended up sitting in a camp listening to some cool old scout leaders talking about the history of scouts and how they changed. (I was scout of the year a long time ago and also spent five years working for guides WA as an abseil/rock climbing/ caving instructor).
The down side was a couple of no friend dickhead young leaders who felt they needed to tell me how good they were untill i gave up and went to bed.
My bed was a swag, the temperature dropped below zero and there was a sheet of ice over my swag by the morning.
Mt nephews team came 51st out of 156 teams, he led and it is his first year in scouts.

I have been asked to write something talking about the difference in scouts today as to what it was like when i was a scout. The changes in attitude of the scouts, the difficulties the leaders are having teaching the scouts "scout things" and where the change in scouting for the sake of the scout membership is going to take a change in the attitude of the old "set in their ways" leaders who dont know how to show kids fundamental scouting principles in a manner that is acceptable to the "we just want to have fun" generation.
Sadly the change in the scout movement has not given the old leaders any practical help or tuiton in modern "coaching principles". In fact, they are as boring as bat shit.

[Shortfuse]

Yeah, kids want to do what they see in the ads.

Last royal show I took my kids to the scout tent as soon as we arrived. It took me an hour to get them out of there, and even then it was under duress! Rope bridges, climbing walls, abseiling. Their eyes lit up.

Kids dont want to sit on a log and spend the whole day learning how to do an eye splice or a whipping. Great skills to have, but not what todays kids are looking for. Knots shouldnt be learned in a classroom, but in the field building something where they can see what it does and have it explained to them why that knot is used etc. If some dont pick it up, so what. They will still learn something about the activity regardless, and have a ball.

[=Stevo=]

Yeah, kids want to do what they see in the ads.



Kids dont want to sit on a log and spend the whole day learning how to do an eye splice or a whipping. Great skills to have, but not what todays kids are looking for. Knots shouldnt be learned in a classroom, but in the field building something where they can see what it does and have it explained to them why that knot is used etc. If some dont pick it up, so what. They will still learn something about the activity regardless, and have a ball.

I completely agree with that... I teach sailing and have found it infinitely easier to teach the kids how to tie the basic knots when they are doing it to rig up a boat, as opposed to just sitting down in the classroom with a bit of rope...

they like to see what they have made and that they can now actually use it... and they get a better overall understanding of what it is used for

[XSorXpire]

I completely agree with that... I teach sailing and have found it infinitely easier to teach the kids how to tie the basic knots when they are doing it to rig up a boat, as opposed to just sitting down in the classroom with a bit of rope...

they like to see what they have made and that they can now actually use it... and they get a better overall understanding of what it is used for

When i was a scout, we learnt lashing two weeks before we had to build a raft for a raft race and finished with a sail painting. The second week we did a trial raft build to hone our knot tying. That weekend we build and raced the raft.
They dont do that anymore. There is an abundance of legal obsticles now. The fear of litigation has detracted from the fun of organised activity.

I learnt knots from the scouts that got me racing yachts off shore, skills that got me working in the field of adventure and survival tools that i have used to save people.
It is a great thing to have these skills, shame the world has developed a fear of helping others understand them.

[Roller]

Sounds painfully boaring, but hey at least they didn't use you as the barrel boy HEHE 6 years in the Aust Army infantry and boy do I have some stories to tell MWAHAHAHA

[XSorXpire]

I don't remember it as painfully boring (and we never did drill), i mean it's not like it is full time intense training, it was only two hours a week.
The rest of the time you lived like any other 12 year old boy.

[Weapon_X]

i did scouts, and not once did we learn to tie knots. 3 years i was in them no knots. but the camps were awesome! where were you a scout XS?

[XSorXpire]

(1st) Mt Hawthorn Scout group.

[Shortfuse]

Navy cadet here.

Lots of knots, sailing, parade drill, ironing, polishing.

Fair bit of fun too. The female cadets were a good sort.

[Roller]

^^ Puss cadets HMM explains a few things there Tony Did you ever go on board one of the ships to look at the Golden Rivet? Or for your turn in the barrel? BWAHAHA

[Shortfuse]

Let me think...

Army: Run, Dig, Sleep in mud, eat cold tinned food, wash??

Navy: 4 cooked meals a day, Sleep in a bed, fishing, tropics, different country filled with exotic women every 3-4 days..., Did I mention beer issue?

Airforce: Not really part of the defence force so not included.

[Roller]

Let me think...

Army: Run, Dig, Sleep in mud, eat cold tinned food, wash??

Navy: 4 cooked meals a day, Sleep in a bed, fishing, tropics, different country filled with exotic women every 3-4 days..., Did I mention beer issue?

Airforce: Not really part of the defence force so not included.

You win and i agree the Airforce is just Civilians in a blue uniform