Moral high ground- budda and fishing

[shan]

How many people like fishing, cool way to spend a day , couple of beers , warm day out on the water.

Picter this , sitting at the Cott, Sunday arvo, having a pint of cold gold perving on good things .
Then by fuck your beer grabs hold of your gob, punches a hole right through it.
Next thing, just as you realise the pain, you are getting skull dragged to the beach.

At first you go with it, the pain is intence, go with it , work a way out of this.
Then you realize your fucked, pannic, fighting for your life.

You get dragged into the water, nothing you can do.
Under water , no air, this is it , your about to die.
Then slap
Some weirdo fish type thing rips a bigger hole in your jaw, slaps youd head with its tail and throws you onto the beach.

Here we have a fishing trip but from the outher angle.
It seams many people on PSB belive they have moral high ground.
They can still kill though.

I am curious , where dose this start,
Like Buddist , all creachures have a right to live, in peace.
Or are we as people alowed to maim and kill,
Or is it just some species we can do this to morally and still be fine.

Any one ever thought about a spider getting sucked up a vacume cleaner.
8 legs, 8 eyes, the fuckers see every where.
Vacume cleaners have ribbed hoses.
8 legs , no 7 ,6-5 all the while the spider can see whats comeing.
Ends up a torso stuck in dust, how inhumane.

Just plain crule tortcher to my mind.

I think everything has a right to be.
Often i belive most things creatures, plants have more rights than people
But thats just my thoughts,
Many people think they have more rights than everything.
whats right , whats wrong- we only have ideas

[mekon]

yeah save the spiders man, but fucking feed parcel post contractors through a giant fucking vacuum cleaner until they're just a torso in a bag.

[speed3]

I'll kill to eat, not for sport. Just as other animals have to kill to survive.

Steak from the butchers, you had a part in the death of that cow.

There's types of vegans that won't eat root vegetables because digging them up can kill organisms in the soil.



Besides if we weren't supposed to eat animals they wouldn't be so tasty.


As long as you're not cruel about it I don't give a fuck what people eat.

[g0zer]

norman mailer once wrote that if pain is the fundament of existance, then a shorn blade of grass knows all there is to know

[shan]

Hay i will kill anything i want
Thats just food for thought

[Captain Starfish]

Sorry, Shan - a bunch of hippy crap.

One of the worst things we do in this modern PC world of bullshit pantywaisters is our rampant personification of animals.

They're eating machines with some pretty basic feedback and control systems. Your ripping them to pieces is pretty much how they are going to end at some point anyway, doesn't really make much of a difference whether it's a big fish or a hook and kill tank. And catch and release - after momentary disorientation on return to the water it's pretty well documented that most of them head off none for the worse.

Whoever told you everything has a right to live in peace was sadly, disturbingly out of touch with the real world. It's a fucked up, violent place of continual struggle and the only reason most of us don't come to an unpredictable and messy end after a short, brutal life is that we're better at being fucked up and violent than most everything else on the planet.

[BenG]

Animals are just like refrigerators. They are designed to keep meat fresh until it's ready to eat. That is all.

[shan]

Canabilisim is OK ?
Cool , I love bacon

Animals are just like refrigerators. They are designed to keep meat fresh until it's ready to eat. That is all.

[XSorXpire]

You just gave me a happy.

Sorry, Shan - a bunch of hippy crap.

One of the worst things we do in this modern PC world of bullshit pantywaisters is our rampant personification of animals.

They're eating machines with some pretty basic feedback and control systems. Your ripping them to pieces is pretty much how they are going to end at some point anyway, doesn't really make much of a difference whether it's a big fish or a hook and kill tank. And catch and release - after momentary disorientation on return to the water it's pretty well documented that most of them head off none for the worse.

Whoever told you everything has a right to live in peace was sadly, disturbingly out of touch with the real world. It's a fucked up, violent place of continual struggle and the only reason most of us don't come to an unpredictable and messy end after a short, brutal life is that we're better at being fucked up and violent than most everything else on the planet.

[Cbr1k]

Our level of guilt towards killing of animals seems directly related to their ability to display pain and the animals "cuteness"

[shan]

Our level of guilt towards killing of animals seems directly related to their ability to display pain and the animals "cuteness"

Good comment, the whole reason I typed the OP was that so many here seam to think they are above crulty to people.
Whats the differance , to me nothing .

[Wedge]

I didn't see this thread before, but as I posted in the Death thread, what about Cane Toads and the march towards W.A?

[NanoBear]

According to Buddha you should be so detached from desire that the death of your own child should cause you no grief. In my opinion, that's not exactly a good example of sanity.

Ultimately, I believe there is nothing wrong with killing to eat and killing to protect.
I do enjoy fishing, but I've never been fishing for sport. The last time something I caught wasn't eaten, it was a blowie and I was 6 years old.

[AliastheJester]

Good comment, the whole reason I typed the OP was that so many here seam to think they are above crulty to people.
Whats the differance , to me nothing .

Length of the prison sentence.

[shan]

Length of the prison sentence.

True , in some ways, often under circumstance people commit murder, tourure and are heros.

According to Buddha you should be so detached from desire that the death of your own child should cause you no grief

A freinds wife was very happy that her sister died, took it as a blessing for her sister.
I am not there in that mind set I can garentee that.

[likefry]

I'm with the captain on this one.

You cannot presume you can know the thought processes that occur in animals. They have vastly differing levels of consciousness depending on what type of animal it is.

Where do you draw the line. Some trees will move and react to touch. Does this mean they feel pain and are being hurt (OMG stop hurting the trees). Alternatively things like the venus fly trap trap flies and insects. Does this imply a conscious decision or just stimulus and response.

You can't define humane to species that have no understanding of the concept

[Cbr1k]

If fish screamed in pain like a mammal would no-one would fish for sport.

[RIPLEY]

from memory but not fact checked, Buddhism was introduced to Tibet by a Chinese general Kang Shiek 2 as a means of weakening the fighting strength of the nation prior to his invasion around 648 ad.
not an auspicous start for a non violent belief, i put Buddhism along side Communism as an unhuman philosophy.
we are humans, introspective searching is interesting but does not change our nature.
i will check on the general at work and come back and admit if it was something i read in a trash book.
Wedge, we must stop the cane toads by any means cruel or otherwise, you should thread the question.

[Captain Starfish]

Please do check.

I've always seen it as my favourite (believe it or not) philosophy because it focuses on selfish ends with an internal kind of feedback rather than relying on some uber (sorry Desmo, no mac at work) deity dude to smack you if you go wrong.

But I've always had the nagging suspicion that it would be a great way for the rich and powerful to keep the poor masses under control - a belief system for which a central tenet is "rather than striving to get what you want, strive to want what you get". Powerful stuff for control of unrest in the state.

An external source would be just the juciest twist.

[shan]

You cannot presume you can know the thought processes that occur in animals. They have vastly differing levels of consciousness depending on what type of animal it is.

Agreed, but what of pain regestration,
I am not talking fight or flight-Just pain.
Pain hurts.
We do know that fish can have lesser quality meat if distressed, as cows (yum) pigs the list goes on. (I want bacon now damit)

Any one here ever owned an Oscer, they lern, can have a personality.
That is proof of thought, or is the belife thet it is a reaction programed in over repeted stimuli.

Some trees will move and react to touch. Does this mean they feel pain and are being hurt

People compleetly paralized, dont move , I dont know about pain reconision, but by fuck there is a whole heap of emotion going on.
Trees , while they have a right to be, I dont think they feal.

Really my Op is a reaction to all the do gooders out there in the PSB moral trust
Many are so humanatarian- to what level I do wonder.

I do not go out my way to hurt or kill anything.
But can and will dish out pain , or death if need be.
Tools really, nothing more. no morality involved live and let live, get in the way and - - well thats life isnt it.