2010 Hyosung 250s

[drifter]

Hyosung is a good bike. Thats why you see so many of them on the road. Every bike has it's down points. But they sell because they appeal to a group of people. Hyosung, is relatively affordable, but offers stye and is comfortable.
I some days see more hyosungs on the road than any other company. They're doing something right!

China makes cars. Millions of them. In China you see so many of them on the road.
Chinese cars must be good cars yeah?

[The Acumen]

China makes cars. Millions of them. In China you see so many of them on the road.
Chinese cars must be good cars yeah?

Some chinese cars might end up being fine. Have you tried them all?
Also, if they're selling so many they must be doing something right. Thats what i'm trying to say right now. Maybe they're providing for a certain markets needs.

Are all japanese cars good?

Also, i used to really dislike kia's and hyundia's several years ago because i genuinely felt they weren't as good as nissans and toyotas. Now i look at some of their cars and i reckon they are better than nissans and toyotas. Infact i had a 07 camry and i hated the damn thing. But some might like it. I have to respect that.

[Mckenzie]

China makes cars. Millions of them. In China you see so many of them on the road.
Chinese cars must be good cars yeah?

Insightful post is... insightful??!?!?

Honda owners can f*ck off...

[drifter]

Some chinese cars might end up being fine. Have you tried them all?
Also, if they're selling so many they must be doing something right. Thats what i'm trying to say right now. Maybe they're providing for a certain markets needs.

Are all japanese cars good?

Also, i used to really dislike kia's and hyundia's several years ago because i genuinely felt they weren't as good as nissans and toyotas. Now i look at some of their cars and i reckon they are better than nissans and toyotas. Infact i had a 07 camry and i hated the damn thing. But some might like it. I have to respect that.

You're opinion is that they are good, (which is fine), but its not a fact.
The other things you said are facts, which are fine.

[The Acumen]

You're opinion is that they are good, (which is fine), but its not a fact.
The other things you said are facts, which are fine.

Yeah, i don't have anything to back me up. But i feel it's reasonable to say. But you could disagree and that fine

But i really do want to clear up this whole problem people seem to be having with Hyosung. And I basically want to do this by figuring out what the truth is. Can people actually give proper arguments as to why hyosungs are so terrible (which hasn't been my experience) or are things just blown way out of proportion. I tend to think it's a mixure of both. Some may have experienced some things that put them off hyosungs, but also blown it out of proportion.

Lets look at this example, using cars as a metaphor. I would love a r35 GTR. However, i can only afford a 180sx. Even though I know the GTR is better which i could not afford, is it reasonable for me to hate my current 180sx? Not really.

I have a Sony 52 inch plasma. However, ideally i wish i could have a theater room in my house. Is it still logical for me to hate my plasma tv. Which in itself is pretty wonderful?

With a lack on money, and 250 restriction hyosung is the bike the only bike that provides what i want. good price, good looks etc. Ideally i wish i could have a daytona 675. However, would it still be logical for me to hate my gt250r because it's not a daytona? Even though i'm enjoying it.

Not really.

[thegraeman]

Well Acumen that is one of the best responses to Hyo hate I have ever read.

Won't make a difference though. You will still get the haters.

Me, I love my 650 Hyo. Only problems I have had were crappy mirrors and back break seizing but that was sorted under warranty.

Still at least if you ride a Hyo you have a bike everyone talks about.

[The Acumen]

Well Acumen that is one of the best responses to Hyo hate I have ever read.

Won't make a difference though. You will still get the haters.

Me, I love my 650 Hyo. Only problems I have had were crappy mirrors and back break seizing but that was sorted under warranty.

Still at least if you ride a Hyo you have a bike everyone talks about.

Thanks thegraeman.

I've begun to realize that most hyosung owners actually love their bike. But this outside hate is so strong that they feel they shouldn't love their bike.

I would like those that hate hyosungs with a passion to actually speak now, and justify their hate, or for ever hold their peace. This way we can actually see whether the hate is truely valid (which i doubt because i haven't seen any bad from my bike yet) or it's blown out of proportion. Perhaps theres things we don't know because we haven't owned a japanese, italian bike before.

Lets make this investigation into a peaceful and useful discussion so we can have two outcomes.
A) we conclude that hyosungs are bad bikes, and dangerous and should be avoided. This way we can actually warn people, because just hating a bike doesn't actually convince anyone.

or B ) we conclude that it's not all that bad and it's blown out of proportion and this way us hyosung owners can start to develop more respect for our bikes.

So, any argument you make give a reason or back it up. No comments like "their shit just face it". Those comments prove ignorance.

[Lucifer]

Your an idiot.

I like my bike, have had a few issues with it but all been sorted quite easily. I cop a bit of flack from my mates about it, but for my height and the fact that I want a fully faired bike, it was the only option. That said, if not for the 250 laws, I wouldn't have touched it with a 10 foot pole, and would never buy a 650. In the market for big bikes their are countless other choices that are better bikes in looks, performance, and reliability.
The Hyosung reputation sticks around, and back when they were first being imported it was earned. Now, they are fine mechanically, there'll always be some that have issues but it's just unlucky if you get stuck with one.
Back to my first sentence though, why do you feel the need to change everyone's opinions? And why are you using words like love and hate? These are strong emotional responses that I don't think are necessary to describe what you think of your bike. Riding in general I could agree to being loved, but a specific bike, it's just the means to an end. If I was to lose my bike and have it replaced with a similar bike of a different brand I certainly wouldn't feel like a part of me was missing, yet to never ride again would have a massive effect on me.
I think you should toughen up a bit, there's always going to be someone with a different view on the world to you, don't try and change them, accept the fact that you disagree, and if it ends up with some light hearted banter and pulling the piss then great, go along with it, chill the fuck out, and have a little fun.

[PBF]

Good effort with the analogy but it falls short. It's not like getting a 180 instead of the skyline. It's not getting a tv when you can't afford the theatre. I think people are saying you spent the same money on something when you could have got better. Instead of getting the wrx for 15 grand you got the excel with a body kit for the same price.

I'm on a cbf. Not bagging any other bike, just talking about your justifications.


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[The Acumen]

Your an idiot.

I like my bike, have had a few issues with it but all been sorted quite easily. I cop a bit of flack from my mates about it, but for my height and the fact that I want a fully faired bike, it was the only option. That said, if not for the 250 laws, I wouldn't have touched it with a 10 foot pole, and would never buy a 650. In the market for big bikes their are countless other choices that are better bikes in looks, performance, and reliability.
The Hyosung reputation sticks around, and back when they were first being imported it was earned. Now, they are fine mechanically, there'll always be some that have issues but it's just unlucky if you get stuck with one.
Back to my first sentence though, why do you feel the need to change everyone's opinions? And why are you using words like love and hate? These are strong emotional responses that I don't think are necessary to describe what you think of your bike. Riding in general I could agree to being loved, but a specific bike, it's just the means to an end. If I was to lose my bike and have it replaced with a similar bike of a different brand I certainly wouldn't feel like a part of me was missing, yet to never ride again would have a massive effect on me.
I think you should toughen up a bit, there's always going to be someone with a different view on the world to you, don't try and change them, accept the fact that you disagree, and if it ends up with some light hearted banter and pulling the piss then great, go along with it, chill the fuck out, and have a little fun.

"Your an idiot" wasn't necessary but i'll respond to you anyway.

"And why are you using words like love and hate? These are strong emotional responses that I don't think are necessary to describe what you think of your bike."

First, i think your interpreting this "love" to the strong love someone might feel for their wife or family etc. But theres no general rule to how strong love can be. People can love anything to various degrees.

For example, someone can say "man i love this pizza". This doesn't mean i love this pizza as much as my family. Love can vary to describe pretty much anything you are fond of.

"why do you feel the need to change everyone's opinions?"

Okay, heres were you've misunderstood my intentions.
I want to find out the truth. Are people blowing things out of proportion or are hyosung actually terrible. Not modify peoples opinions. I reckon if people were more fond of hyosungs you would like and enjoy your bike more.
This is what prejudice does. I feel people don't want to say i like my bike because they know they're going to get crap for it.

For example, this is the perth street bikes logo for hyosung group, "Hyosung's. No one likes us, we don't care!"
Obviously all this hate for hyosungs is affecting hyosung riders to some degree. If there is no strong basis for the amoung of dislike for hyosungs then i strongly believe it needs to change. Not because hyosung or bikes are ever so important and we 'love our bikes like our family' which is what you assumed earlier, but because subconsciously you can enjoy your bike more when others let you be happy and proud of it, given that for many of us this is the only bike that meets our needs.

Also, given that you chose to focus on the subjects that weren't even relevant to me original argument, i'm going to assume you didn't really have anything useful to say. However, you did point out that hyosungs met your needs and you are happy with it.

"I like my bike, have had a few issues with it but all been sorted quite easily. I cop a bit of flack from my mates about it, but for my height and the fact that I want a fully faired bike, it was the only option...The Hyosung reputation sticks around, and back when they were first being imported it was earned. Now, they are fine mechanically, there'll always be some that have issues but it's just unlucky if you get stuck with one."

Again, my argument isn't about love or hating hyosungs. It's not about toughening up or changing peoples opinions. My argument is that we should actually identify what the problems are with hyosungs now so we can either:

A) conclude that hyosungs aren't all that bad, so people can just get over it.
or
we can conclude that yes it is a bad bike and we can give proper reasons as to why everyone should stay away from them.

If we come to the conclusion that hyosungs are actually bad and dangerous, i will get rid of my bike, and spread the word. If not i will continue to enjoy my bike.

[The Acumen]

Good effort with the analogy but it falls short. It's not like getting a 180 instead of the skyline. It's not getting a tv when you can't afford the theatre. I think people are saying you spent the same money on something when you could have got better. Instead of getting the wrx for 15 grand you got the excel with a body kit for the same price.

I'm on a cbf. Not bagging any other bike, just talking about your justifications.


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This was a very good explanation
And you are right, if you end up being unlucky buy you can end up spending the money of a better bike on a hyosung.

I didn't think of that.

But does this fall more under smart buying or hyosungs are bad?
Because when i bought my hyosung i went for a lower price one because it was the only one i could afford but the next day i had to change tyres and brake pads and oil and so forth and i ended up spending the money i could have spent on a 2007 on a 2006. But i blamed myself instead of the bike.
But if your buying new and your unlucky it could end up worst for you.
But don't other bikes have problems as well? Or are hyosungs just more likely to have problems?

Has anyone else had a bad experience like this before?

[Squash]

All bikes eventually have problems, its all part of maintenance and wear and tear.

All brands of bikes cop crap from other brand riders (duc's a tractor and doesnt like the rain etc etc), just take it on the chin or come back with your own witty remark, there's no point holding a grudge and getting angry over someones piss take on your bike cause it will affect your riding for the rest of the ride.

Best bet is go on a ride and show them what its capable of (instead of saying dont pick on us u mean ppl) like i did on the ellenbrook coffee run, i was keeping pace in the corners with all the other bikes

[Lucifer]

words

Ok, calling you an idiot may not have been necessary but given the selection of words out there I feel it's quite tame and from your response I still think that it's true.
I have no issues with people giving me shit for my bike, and it doesn't affect my riding experiences at all, I think you should stop worrying what other people think of you. As I said, when they first started importing them, they got their reputation. It was deserved, the bikes had alot of issues and were unreliable. But your saying that if someone could prove to you now that they were still pieces of crap you would sell your bike and start telling everyone how crap they are? Even if your particular bike has no issues and you seem to be trying to hard to make everyone like it. As far as I'm concerned they are mechanically sound, and apart from the stacked headlight, they are a good looking bike. That's my opinion, that's all I care about. If someone on an internet forum wants to say that they think they are a piece of crap and would never buy one and that everyone should buy a VTR good on them. It's not going to have any effect on what I think of the bike, or how much fun I have riding it. And you can ask anyone that I ride with, I have fun.

[The Acumen]

All bikes eventually have problems, its all part of maintenance and wear and tear.

All brands of bikes cop crap from other brand riders (duc's a tractor and doesnt like the rain etc etc), just take it on the chin or come back with your own witty remark, there's no point holding a grudge and getting angry over someones piss take on your bike cause it will affect your riding for the rest of the ride.

Best bet is go on a ride and show them what its capable of (instead of saying dont pick on us u mean ppl) like i did on the ellenbrook coffee run, i was keeping pace in the corners with all the other bikes

Good job at the corners

I'd just like to point out again, that i'm not holding a grudge.
I just haven't seen any bad from my bike and want to know were all the hate comes from. It's really important that we get this across.
This is a selfless investigation into what the dealio about the hyosung hate is.

[The Acumen]

Ok, calling you an idiot may not have been necessary but given the selection of words out there I feel it's quite tame and from your response I still think that it's true.
I have no issues with people giving me shit for my bike, and it doesn't affect my riding experiences at all, I think you should stop worrying what other people think of you. As I said, when they first started importing them, they got their reputation. It was deserved, the bikes had alot of issues and were unreliable. But your saying that if someone could prove to you now that they were still pieces of crap you would sell your bike and start telling everyone how crap they are? Even if your particular bike has no issues and you seem to be trying to hard to make everyone like it. As far as I'm concerned they are mechanically sound, and apart from the stacked headlight, they are a good looking bike. That's my opinion, that's all I care about. If someone on an internet forum wants to say that they think they are a piece of crap and would never buy one and that everyone should buy a VTR good on them. It's not going to have any effect on what I think of the bike, or how much fun I have riding it. And you can ask anyone that I ride with, I have fun.

Alright, well i don't get you. You call me an idiot yet you are agreeing with me. Anyway, i still think my argument is valid.

I just want to know where the hate for hyosung comes from. Is it reasonable or unreasonable?

This doesn't mean i'm having a cry about it. I'm not even taking sides. If anyone can prove to me that hyosungs are actually that bad i will sell mine. If they're dangerous then i will tell people, because bikes are no joke. They can seriously hurt you.

anyways proper responses to your comments:

"I have no issues with people giving me shit for my bike, and it doesn't affect my riding experiences at all, I think you should stop worrying what other people think of you."

I think your over dramatizing how much i care. I merely want to know what the actual truth is. It's got nothing to do with what people think about me. I just see a lot of hate for hyosungs and not enough proof. So i want to find out whats actually going on.

"Even if your particular bike has no issues and you seem to be trying to hard to make everyone like it."

Again, i'm not trying to make anyone like anything. This seems to be a difficult part for you to grasp. I want to find out were all the hate for hyosungs come from. Thats It!.
Besides why are you trying so hard to protect the hyosung hate even though you have one yourself? Isn't it strange that if someone digs into hyosungs for ages no one says to them "you seem to be trying too hard to make everyone hate it". Yet if someone tries to find out whats actually going on you go "you seem to be trying too hard to make everyone like it".

Right now i'm starting to think it's just become cool to hate hyosungs. Notice no one thats always digging into hyosungs is commenting now because they have no validity for their hate.

[Lucifer]

Like I said before, hate is too strong a word, people take the piss out of them in the same way you would give someone shit for driving an excel. The reputation was earned, as I've also said, they were unreliable when they first started getting imported.
To solve your dilemma though, they aren't dangerous, you have nothing to worry about. They just have a bad rep that's sticking with them. You can keep your bike and preach its good word to everyone who will listen.

[The Acumen]

Like I said before, hate is too strong a word, people take the piss out of them in the same way you would give someone shit for driving an excel. The reputation was earned, as I've also said, they were unreliable when they first started getting imported.
To solve your dilemma though, they aren't dangerous, you have nothing to worry about. They just have a bad rep that's sticking with them. You can keep your bike and preach its good word to everyone who will listen.

Alright, finally something that makes sense.
Again, lol i'm not preaching i'm investigating to find the truth.
But i conclude it's all been blown out of proportion. Hyosungs are fine bikes.

[gongzee]

Hyosungs are shit to those who just listen to what other people hear from other people who have a relative who friends with a guy who owned the bike and had a lemon. As much as I like Japanese products, I've seen my fair share of problematic Japanese vehicles. No vehicle is as bulletproof as much as their owners say them to be. Hyosung is a developing manufacturer, and like hyundai they will slowly begin to change their rep if they continue to build better bikes.

[Dmoxham]

Dmoxham, do u have any pics of the rear of ur bike? wanna check out the mods u got there

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