Learn to Lean - how?

[cocopop06]

Was riding last nite and when it comes to slow manovering I tend to panic... yes almost dropped it again
Heard someone told me I have to learn how to lean..........
eerr... how? ? ?

[JUL10]

Hey cocopop.

slow manouvering....handle the bike like your doing 'o' turns..... drag the back brake and keep the revs up and slip the clutch to control the speed...

[cocopop06]

Hey cocopop.

slow manouvering....handle the bike like your doing 'o' turns..... drag the back brake and keep the revs up and slip the clutch to control the speed...[/b]

I did that... sometimes, the handle bars loves to magnet to the fuel tank.......

[resist]

Hi Cocopop,

Even if you have your license, dont be afraid to keep going back for more lessons and leanr extra skills and things, also read up on riding advice (try to use reliable and credible sources, and nine from ten, real books beat the internet for credible information), also, do some instructor days like trackdays and things.

My first point of contact tho would be a riding school. Get Rebecca at Elite or Spock or Lolly on this forum to help you.

[akeracat]

^^^
WHS

[Scoundrel]

My first point of contact tho would be a riding school. Get Rebecca at Elite or Spock or Lolly on this forum to help you.[/b]

^^^ Do this. And on weekends, PM someone from the shadows list in your area and see if you can get one of them to go for a ride with you so they can see what it is you're doing that is giving you hassles.

[Ice]

My first point of contact tho would be a riding school. Get Rebecca at Elite or Spock or Lolly on this forum to help you.[/b]

Yep. Get someone to give you one on one qualified instruction. Much more valuable and easy to apply than anything we tell you.

BUT Resista - Rebecca (As in our Bec?) works for Alert and isn't working at the moment.

If you don't have an instructor already to go to, I'd recommend any of the following to you - have a chat to them.

John's Advanced Motorcycle Training
Phone John = 9407 8448 or 0418 922 963

[cocopop06]

Time to put back those training wheels

[Ice]

Time to put back those training wheels[/b]

I think so!
If nothing else is gained than boosting your confidence then I'd consider it a win. You were saying in another thread that you have dropped your bike a few times too... I think that perhaps you need to relax a bit and get some confidence back. A good instructor can help with that.

Good luck!

[Psyched]

think that was my big mouth that said learn to lean at low speed. one method is easy. In big carpark or open area, stop, turn your bars till the steering is at full lock, either left or right. Then practice taking off from that postion. It's good practice on your own. I'm sure I found that around this forum somewhere...

Oh yer and concentrate on keeping your head level, and look at where you are going not at the ground.

[resist]

think that was my big mouth that said learn to lean at low speed. one method is easy. In big carpark or open area, stop, turn your bars till the steering is at full lock, either left or right. Then practice taking off from that postion. It's good practice on your own. I'm sure I found that around this forum somewhere...

Oh yer and concentrate on keeping your head level, and look at where you are going not at the ground.[/b]

I cannot possibly see how that is a good thing, nor can i understand what you mean about leaning at low speed.

If your bars are at full lock, why would you lean?

[Psyched]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Psyched @ Mar 21 2007, 05:54 PM) [snapback]450472[/snapback]

think that was my big mouth that said learn to lean at low speed. one method is easy. In big carpark or open area, stop, turn your bars till the steering is at full lock, either left or right. Then practice taking off from that postion. It&#39;s good practice on your own. I&#39;m sure I found that around this forum somewhere...

Oh yer and concentrate on keeping your head level, and look at where you are going not at the ground.[/b]

I cannot possibly see how that is a good thing, nor can i understand what you mean about leaning at low speed.

If your bars are at full lock, why would you lean?
[/b][/quote]
If you repeat that procedure and keep your head level and keep looking at where you are going you&#39;ll slowly realise that you have to slightly lean the bike in order to do it well.

[resist]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Resist @ Mar 21 2007, 06:09 PM) [snapback]450489[/snapback]

think that was my big mouth that said learn to lean at low speed. one method is easy. In big carpark or open area, stop, turn your bars till the steering is at full lock, either left or right. Then practice taking off from that postion. It&#39;s good practice on your own. I&#39;m sure I found that around this forum somewhere...

Oh yer and concentrate on keeping your head level, and look at where you are going not at the ground.[/b]

I cannot possibly see how that is a good thing, nor can i understand what you mean about leaning at low speed.

If your bars are at full lock, why would you lean?
[/b]

If you repeat that procedure and keep your head level and keep looking at where you are going you&#39;ll slowly realise that you have to slightly lean the bike in order to do it well.
[/b][/quote]

At low speeds yeah, I can tell you right now, from a standstill, taking off with your bars in full lock, without straightening them, and you WILL drop your bike.

If you actually meant, "come to a stop, and try to turn in the tightest possible space over and over again, all the while looking up, never looking down and controlling the engine speed and bike speed by using lots of clutch and rear brake to keep the bike stable and revving" then fair enough.

But sending out a new rider, on thier own, with a half arsed instruction is dangerous. You need to be more careful.

Cocopops, i will say again, go out, with a proffessional instructor, and ask them to teach you different things, ask them all the questions you want, and repeat until you are happy you have mastered the things you want to master. I guarantee that if you spend some time and some money with professional instructors, you will be far better off.

[Captain Starfish]

Resista - try it.

I did this with every bike but this one (thanks for the reminder) and it gives you a great way of learning how your clutch, throttle and steering work together on the specific machine - as well as in general.

Start with the bars at full lock. Slowly feather out your clutch and WALK the bike around the circle. As you get the hang of it you&#39;ll naturally pick up the pace. To the point where you can get your feet off the ground, then on the pegs.

As you increase the speed you will find that you tend to (ie have to) tip the bike into the corner. At these low speeds you will tend to lean OUT of the curve rather than into it as you would on a faster corner.

Get out and try it cocopop (you too, Resista) for a couple of hours. You&#39;ll find by the end of it that you can take off in any direction you like, that your clutch control is superb and that you are a lot more comfortable on the bike. As an added bonus, a few sessions like this (ie a dozen or so) will have you just about able to scrape your pegs in an O-turn and able to do a U-turn in a single lane.

Resista - is that enough embellishment on Psyched&#39;s "half arsed" instruction? Psyched - did I understand what you meant?



I&#39;m off to do some slow turns myself soon!

[Sean'o]

Sit down and write a list of the things you are not confident at. Then like others have said, call a good instructor, show him your list, get a couple of lessons, then go practice practice practice. All of us, no matter how long we have been riding should practice emergency stops, counter steering around objects and slow speed manouvering at least once a week, especially E stops, it will save your life one day.
You must get proper instruction first though, pointless practicing something if you are doing it wrong.
If you have any time off on weekdays, and want some moral support while you go and practice somewhere, let me know, i work funny shifts so usually some weekdays free

[Psyched]

Resista - try it.

I did this with every bike but this one (thanks for the reminder) and it gives you a great way of learning how your clutch, throttle and steering work together on the specific machine - as well as in general.

Start with the bars at full lock. Slowly feather out your clutch and WALK the bike around the circle. As you get the hang of it you&#39;ll naturally pick up the pace. To the point where you can get your feet off the ground, then on the pegs.

As you increase the speed you will find that you tend to (ie have to) tip the bike into the corner. At these low speeds you will tend to lean OUT of the curve rather than into it as you would on a faster corner.

Get out and try it cocopop (you too, Resista) for a couple of hours. You&#39;ll find by the end of it that you can take off in any direction you like, that your clutch control is superb and that you are a lot more comfortable on the bike. As an added bonus, a few sessions like this (ie a dozen or so) will have you just about able to scrape your pegs in an O-turn and able to do a U-turn in a single lane.

Resista - is that enough embellishment on Psyched&#39;s "half arsed" instruction? Psyched - did I understand what you meant?



I&#39;m off to do some slow turns myself soon![/b]

That&#39;s the one Simon, as I said I found it on this forum somewhere, I&#39;m sure the method was developed by a very experienced instructor. I was shown it when I first got my licence, in those days you had to do a figure 8, so we used to do our tests on a 400 road trail to make it easier. I do appologise for not finishing the post off properly, I was in a rush before I went out when I posted it . I need to practice this on the kwaka as I&#39;m pretty rough on the slow stuff myself, even after 20 odd years of riding, haven&#39;t had the kwaka 12 months quite yet. The most fun way to learn this is on a dirt bike, on dirt, with all the protective gear of course.

I&#39;d have to agree that professional help is a great idea, but this forum is a resource and should be used as such, by discerning adults.

[Semi]

Resista - try it.

I did this with every bike but this one (thanks for the reminder) and it gives you a great way of learning how your clutch, throttle and steering work together on the specific machine - as well as in general.

Start with the bars at full lock. Slowly feather out your clutch and WALK the bike around the circle. As you get the hang of it you&#39;ll naturally pick up the pace. To the point where you can get your feet off the ground, then on the pegs.

As you increase the speed you will find that you tend to (ie have to) tip the bike into the corner. At these low speeds you will tend to lean OUT of the curve rather than into it as you would on a faster corner.

Get out and try it cocopop (you too, Resista) for a couple of hours. You&#39;ll find by the end of it that you can take off in any direction you like, that your clutch control is superb and that you are a lot more comfortable on the bike. As an added bonus, a few sessions like this (ie a dozen or so) will have you just about able to scrape your pegs in an O-turn and able to do a U-turn in a single lane.

Resista - is that enough embellishment on Psyched&#39;s "half arsed" instruction? Psyched - did I understand what you meant?



I&#39;m off to do some slow turns myself soon![/b]

im going to go try that on the weekend, only problem is my bike is a prick at full lock, the tank hits your hands

[lee]

Practice makes perfect, don&#39;t be afraid to go out and give it a go. Theres lots of kind ppl here who dedicate some of their spare time for learners. They&#39;re not just offering to seem nice, get out there!

[Chris]

^ What&#39;s been said already.

It&#39;s a lesson of balance and clutch control. Most learners feel the bike dip and stick a leg out, often eating shit in the process, when in fact the easiest way to stand the bike up again is to either give it more throttle, or a touch of the front brake if you are going a little quick to start off with.

Either way the bike will straighten up.

Practice makes perfect.

[Jay]

^ What&#39;s been said already.

It&#39;s a lesson of balance and clutch control. Most learners feel the bike dip and stick a leg out, often eating shit in the process, when in fact the easiest way to stand the bike up again is to either give it more throttle, or a touch of the front brake if you are going a little quick to start off with.

Either way the bike will straighten up.

Practice makes perfect.[/b]

thought you werent meant to touch the front brake at low speeds. I was told to use the rear. Is this wrong?