Is there a way to avoid doing 25hrs/6mths for your RE

[Stoneville]

Originally Posted by evilmart

As for shadowing, you have to have had a full unrestricted (R)class for 4 years to shadow a scooter.....

mm this might have changed, the brochure says

LEARNING TO RIDE A MOTORCYCLE
Once you have your learner’s permit, you can have
riding lessons with:
• a licensed riding instructor who holds the same or
higher class of motorcycle licence for which you are
applying; or
• a person who holds a current driver’s licence and
has held for at least four years the class of driver’s
licence (or higher) that you are applying for; or
• in the case of a moped, a person who has held an
R-N or C class for at least two years.

[evilmart]

very strange... I asked my instructor about 2 months ago after getting my r/e and he asked the Testers at Joondalup, and that was the answer I got...

Frankly, seeing is believing with the licensing centres... I'll wait for his license to turn uo and read the special conditions :-)

(They almost issued my son a r/e learners permit at 16... )

oh.. forgot another point... he sat the full car questions.. no motorbike ones like I did for my r/e permit

it all seems to vary on who you get at the counter?

<edit> so I can shadow him in the car then? That would be weird...

[semi]

so could someone who's had their RE for 2 years shadow a scooter you think?

[semi]

Originally Posted by evilmart

(They almost issued my son a r/e learners permit at 16... )

oh.. forgot another point... he sat the full car questions.. no motorbike ones like I did for my r/e permit

it all seems to vary on who you get at the counter?

You can get your RE learners at 16. And i think they may have changed the test to include all the car ones, or maybe its because he hasnt already got a license?

[evilmart]

Semi:
1 - I can't see why not... but I don't think that's the rule...
2 - ah.. yeah forgot that..but he can't sit prac until 17 right? with r/n you can do permit and prac same day (assuming you can get a test booking)

as for questions.. Ah I guess yeah, that would make sense.. he needs the general road rules more? I made him study them all though..:-)

[Thoth]

i cant see the point in getting an RN licence for any reason. ok sure you can ride around for a year before you get your car licence but i hardly think a 16 year old should be riding around (on a moped atleast) especially without doing a logbook or HPT. surely its more sensible to wait till 17 and get car p's, then simply get a permit/practical test for R-E? also if your going to piss around getting a R-N before a car, thats two lots of licences you have to piss around with. get a car licence and ride around on a moped with that (if you must ride a moped)

FYI i just turned 20 so im not an oldie talking about a young person-just dont think 16year olds are mature enough to cruise around busy streets without doing their logs, especially without the protection of a cage

imo

[Thoth]

Originally Posted by evilmart

very strange... I asked my instructor about 2 months ago after getting my r/e and he asked the Testers at Joondalup, and that was the answer I got...

Frankly, seeing is believing with the licensing centres... I'll wait for his license to turn uo and read the special conditions :-)

(They almost issued my son a r/e learners permit at 16... )

oh.. forgot another point... he sat the full car questions.. no motorbike ones like I did for my r/e permit

it all seems to vary on who you get at the counter?

<edit> so I can shadow him in the car then? That would be weird...

hey evil-dont think you can shadow a bike with your car

[Stoneville]

Evilmart - C class for 2 years, just means you can shadow him on another scooter without having to have your scooter licence of course you will be able to shadow him around on your bike

[Maxo]

Originally Posted by Thoth

i cant see the point in getting an RN licence for any reason. ok sure you can ride around for a year before you get your car licence but i hardly think a 16 year old should be riding around (on a moped atleast) especially without doing a logbook or HPT. surely its more sensible to wait till 17 and get car p's, then simply get a permit/practical test for R-E? also if your going to piss around getting a R-N before a car, thats two lots of licences you have to piss around with. get a car licence and ride around on a moped with that (if you must ride a moped)

FYI i just turned 20 so im not an oldie talking about a young person-just dont think 16year olds are mature enough to cruise around busy streets without doing their logs, especially without the protection of a cage

imo

No.

I got my mosped licence the day i turned 16 and learned a fair bit by charging around on a scoot.

Also the comment in regard to "getting a car licence" instead of an RN implies that people don't need any form of training on a scooter to be able to ride one, which is one of the biggest problems with the system at the moment.

[Rhino]

Sandra, this is not a direct attack on your efforts by any means.

I've been on a couple of your learner rides, and the first one I attended was (actually) mostly learner riders. I was astonished at how badly and dangerously a lot of those new riders were riding.

The intent of your rides I would suggest is to provide a safe, friendly and relaxed environment to get some New Kids On The Block out and into the bike scene and get some hours up and as the name suggests, learn how to ride. Unfortunately, good intentions aside, apart from riding slowly, I don't think there was enough 'education' taking place.

For example. Turning right on a single carriage way (with more than enough room for two cars in the same lane to pass each other), the riders took up the entire width of the road. To turn right. Some were perhaps going for their licence, some may have already had it and were fresh meat. But that is BASIC road position whether you're on a bike or in a car.

Not paying attention was all too common. It appeared to me that for the newbies, this was a fun night and they forgot to put their 'thinking' helmets on. I witnessed many other things that night that made me shake my head.

I was fortunate enough to spend my early hours with very competent riders on both the road and at AHG, in small groups (or 1 on 1) that allowed me to focus, learn and develop. I also had the additional training of acquiring my truck licence which is very much geared towards defensive and efficient driving.

Riding bikes is awesome and a lot of us get many different things out of it. Vital instruction in the early hours/days/weeks/months to help stay upright and alive is not something that we should be looking to fast track because it is convenient.

EDIT: I think you also mentioned that you knew people that this would suit because of lifestyle or they had kids? Surely anyone with kids would want to be getting this right, whether it be the kids or parents that were taking to two wheels?

[Thoth]

Originally Posted by Maxo

No.
Also the comment in regard to "getting a car licence" instead of an RN implies that people don't need any form of training on a scooter to be able to ride one, which is one of the biggest problems with the system at the moment.

thats a fair point and noted, however i still think the majority of 16 year olds arent mature enough to blast around on scooters, there are of course exceptions

[evilmart]

Originally Posted by Thoth

hey evil-dont think you can shadow a bike with your car

yeah, I didn't think so ;-)

[evilmart]

Originally Posted by Stoneville

Evilmart - C class for 2 years, just means you can shadow him on another scooter without having to have your scooter licence of course you will be able to shadow him around on your bike

hmm.. interesting

not sure I should do that though.. pretty sure I'm not good enough to be teaching anyone

[Stoneville]

I think it's always best to have lessons with an Instructor (even on a bike) but just get shadowed around for that extra ride time.

[ItDepends]

Personally- having just gone through this- get the lessons with an instructor to find out/learn the skills you need- and then when you get shadowed- use that time to gain confidence on the bike and practice those skills.

Daniel

[Johnno]

Ive never been on stonevilles lnr rides but I know she is not running them as a instructor.
She is offering a slower pace ride for lrners that are or should be competent to help them get more hours under their belt as that is how you build confidence and improve your riding.
If riders are turning up without basic riding skills that is the riders fault not stonevilles.

[evilmart]

Originally Posted by Stoneville

I think it's always best to have lessons with an Instructor (even on a bike) but just get shadowed around for that extra ride time.

yeah, he's going through the same instructor I did... I have been teaching him slow turns and quick stops in a local carpark when I can...

[evilmart]

Originally Posted by Johnno

Ive never been on stonevilles lnr rides but I know she is not running them as a instructor.
She is offering a slower pace ride for lrners that are or should be competent to help them get more hours under their belt as that is how you build confidence and improve your riding.
If riders are turning up without basic riding skills that is the riders fault not stonevilles.

it's also good to get used to the group dynamics, you wouldn't usually get by commuting

[theblackman]

What is this 25/6 thing? Will I have to do it? (Going for my RE, already have my car c class license)

[evilmart]

you shouldn't have to... assuming with ur age ur not on P's?