iPhone 3G

[nath]

All those features and its still going to suck...

[Pkunk]

Yeah WHS ^^

I am a convert

Praise the Jobs!

[browca04]

Originally Posted by Captain Starfish

Yeah, the iPhone still looks the slickest of the bunch. But...

...At the end of the day it's still a mac. Is it worth your soul and dignity (Although, I guess you are getting into the skivvies) just for an interface and iPhone wank factor?

/me waits for an epic flaming.

[nath]

I enjoy Chai latte...

[Captain Starfish]

Browca - for a while there, I thought "yes". After speaking with someone who goes through phones like a woman goes through toilet paper, and hearing their impression and comparison of the iGroan vs a whole bunch of others, I'm thinking "maybe" but definitely want to have a play with one of these new guys before commiting to the iPhone. And unless something is truly horrible with them, my answer will be a "no" to Apple.

Incidentally, my brief interest in a mac mini for home network server has now been squashed too - especially when I can buy a neat PC equivalent for a fuckteenth of the mac mini.

[Desmogod]

Originally Posted by browca04

...At the end of the day it's still a mac. Is it worth your soul and dignity (Although, I guess you are getting into the skivvies) just for an interface and iPhone wank factor?

/me waits for an epic flaming.

You haven't actually played with one have you pillion princess?

[browca04]

Desmo: I actually have used macs on several occasions. Not an iPhone tho. I've used the iPlod touch tho...

I'm more or less just trolling trying to stimulate some discussion in here.
I really just don't like the inderface. To me it's like going from an automatic car (in windows) when I know how to drive a manual (in linux) to using my face to accellerate and my anus to signal left.
It just doesn't work for me.
Maybe it's just me...

The whole Jobs/Mac thing aside, I just don't like using them. I prefer to use a Linux box. They run in a similar manner to a windows PC and where they don't the changes make sense.

[nath]

Originally Posted by Captain Starfish

Incidentally, my brief interest in a mac mini for home network server has now been squashed too - especially when I can buy a neat PC equivalent for a fuckteenth of the mac mini.

OMG.. a product designed for a home desktop user doesn't meet your requirements for a networked server... what a shock..

Don't worry though.. it's due for a revision soon.

[Captain Starfish]

dimbucket

need = small, low power machine that can run torrents and act as an endpoint for some SSH stuff. Was going to look at a 2gig version and investigate the possibility of moving across my large monitor, tablet and photoshop to it for arty farties too.

Because apparently that's what they're good at.

Looking at prices etc? they're not _that_ much better than a PC, I'm sure.

[nath]

If you compare apples to apples (no pun intended) the price will not be much different... add a (non free) os and you'll be lucky.

[Pkunk]

Not to mention the Mac Mini really isn't for "us" (i.e. you Captain Starfish). Given your knowledge you could whip up a home brew setup for next and stuff all effort including buying the parts yourself (probably buy a new small form factor case and mobo, then source second hand older hardware). Combine with a cracked version of Server 2008 and bobs your Uncle... who the fuck would want a Mac Mini right?

But as the esteemed Italian above points out, compare the Apples to "apples" and you'll probably find they aren't half bad

[Captain Starfish]

Just bought this.

Added the wifi and 2GB options, looks like it will do the job I have in mind (running Ubuntu) very nicely, and I'll keep the photochopping on my notebook.

[contempo]

I get my iPhone Tuesday, yay!

hmmm... anyone know how to or best way to jailbreak it... haha

[browca04]

Originally Posted by Captain Starfish

Just bought this.

Added the wifi and 2GB options, looks like it will do the job I have in mind (running Ubuntu) very nicely, and I'll keep the photochopping on my notebook.

Out of curiosity, do you think that, plus a USB (Or Esata, whatever) based external enclosure would be enough to smash out a home raid setup?

[Captain Starfish]

Just looking at the mb specs, it'll happily run a 6 disk ESATA RAID array from the mobo. Just need enclosure space.

[lo1ux]

Iz is sendin this from my iphonz =)

[thro]

Well, i got one today (for work, to evaluate and learn to support), initial impressions (coming from a reasonably happy N95 user):

the good
- interface = 2 thumbs up from me. its cool. i also like the fact that i have a qwerty keyboard on screen to pick at
- GPS = superior to N95. it works indoors, at least somewhat (not as accurate due to less satellites contactable from inside no doubt, but it actually located me)
- exchange sync = awesome. mail is quite readable, and again.. qwerty keyboard
- battery life seems half decent so far
- charges via usb = (nokia don't). this is good for travelling, because if you've only got one universal power adapter on you, its one less thing to juggle for a power socket against your laptop or whatever else
- contacts integrated from exchange sync =
- it can connect to PPTP, L2TP or IPSEC VPNs
- for all the eyecandy, etc - the interface remains pretty quick. the early n95, n80, and various other nokia phones running symbian are hit and miss. some models are slow, some are OK. the N95 i had was fine after it came back from repairs, maybe a firmware update fixed it...


the bad
- telstra require you to use a different APN for internet. had to get that added to my SIM. had no documentation to that effect, but figured it out from the net, etc then rang up telstra and no probs.
- not sure if it has voice navigation yet. maybe its an app i can download
- can't assign MP3s as ring tones. bugger.
- there's no really decent tone for an alarm that will wake me up. they're all too... hmm... soft noise style sounds.
- i have it connected to my home wifi. however i have no idea if its using this, or my nextG for internet right now? can't figure out how to tell...


the ugly
- fingerprints = :| of course this is always going to happen with a touch screen, but because its the shiny reflective style, it shows bad.



overall
for all the hype, it is actually quite decent to use. the big ones for me are the exchange push style sync, the onscreen keyboard, and its general integration with the global addressbook/contacts from exchange.

Yes the nokia did most of that stuff (sync wasn't push style tho, continuous polling), but the iphone does it better.


Its a much more useful business phone than I expected.


Of course, if you don't have an up to date exchange environment for your business, its just a glorified ipod really

[Desmogod]

I believe they auto route through the wifi.

[thro]

^^ yeah, i believe it probably would.

however i'd rather have confirmation that this is *ACTUALLY* occurring

[padfoot]

Originally Posted by thro

- not sure if it has voice navigation yet. maybe its an app i can download
- i have it connected to my home wifi. however i have no idea if its using this, or my nextG for internet right now? can't figure out how to tell...

Voice navigation is not going to happen... Apple have specifically stated it somewhere that any App developed for the App Store must not introduce voice navigation, or something to that effect.
Doesn't mean that a third party app for jailbroken phones won't do it... But nothing that is official and supported.

As far as your WiFi goes, there is a setting somewhere AFAIK to set WiFi as default so it should be using WiFi.. But the best way to check is to change your APN to something different and see if you can still connect
If you can, you are on WiFi and if not you were using data over Next G... Don't forget to change your APN back though for when you want to use data