CB250N - Yes another CB

[Vosy]

Please be Patient - My first build, with little to no experience and a challenging aka hunka**** bike to begin with. And trying to balance build with work and the family it isn't going to be a quick one. Limited funds to - alot going against me but hopefully I will get over the line. I'm determined

Few pics to get the thread started.

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How do you make the pictures bigger? :>

[vbroom]

good to see another cb goin around

stick with it

what are you plans for it? full rebuild? cafe? bobber/brat/flattrack?

sign up for a photobucket or flickr account.

you can host your images there and link them into here for bigger pics.

[Vosy]

Thanks for that vbroom.

I'm thinking of brat style, but minimalised with a flat olive / tan / army green for the paint.

What I'm really struggling with at the moment is I'm not sure if my Ideas are going to be legal when it comes to registration.

Any hints as to where I would get info for that?

Cheers.

[vbroom]

the most trouble free idea would be to rego it as it is.

fix up whatever needs fixing to make it road legal...even if it looks like shit they won't care, as long as its all road legal. then get it through pits and get your rego.

then once youve got that, go nuts! hack, bob and strip

it won't gaurantee you wont get a yellow sticker later on, but it'll definately save you the hassle of trying to rego it with wild modifications.

if you want to do it the hard way, give the people at the pits a call...they will be able to direct you to someone who will know where to find info on what legal and whats not.

main thing is probably getting a fender on there that complies.

[Vosy]

vbroom, it wont run as it is - The previous owner must of lost the keys and has pulled all the electrics out from head to toe just about. I have pulled the whole bike apart to start cleaning it, and got the engine running while it was out of the frame.

And I dont really want to grind the frame, I think I will be able to get away with alot of what I want to do with the original frame as it is.




As you can see from my Profesional paint edit this build will be done with extreme precision and attention to detail.

Just toyin with Ideas - - bored at work

[vbroom]

yeah looks like the main worry you'll have to deal with is a compliant fender.
possibly noise issues as well if you're modifying the exhaust with a straight through. (looks like it from your awesome picture. haha )

[Vosy]

The fender dosn't look very hard - why do you keep saying it will be hard to get a compliant one?



The exhaust probably wont end up being straight through because it would sound like a lawnmower :>

I found all the info I need in regards to registration online, if anyone is intrested:

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roa..._01Jan2011.pdf

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roa...Jan2011_v2.pdf

[Vosy]

MOAR CLEANZ

[vbroom]

not hard per-say

just that if you want a cool looking back end, generally that doesnt include a fender.

what youve mocked up shows the seat stopping at 12oclock. to satisfy the stupid 45degree rule you'll need a guard poking all the way out past the seat.

personally and i'm sure most here agree, this will looking ugly as.

but different folks different strokes.

[emrys74]

to get around the 45 digree rule for the rear end you can do what ducati and BMW have done
Ducati-Diavel-by-Rizoma-rear-view1.jpg2009-BMW-R1200GS.jpg

[Vosy]

Gotcha, for some reason I was thinking of the front fender, but all makes sense now.

It is somthing that I havn't thought about at all yet so thanks for bringing it up, will start looking a bit closer at it now.

I like the Diavels fender emrys74 but like what vbroom said it will look fugly on a CB.

Maybe I should take a page from Victory's book;


Haha

[Vosy]

What if I was to use somthing like this:



hanging off the back like this:
the grey bit is the seat extended


Thoughts ? ¿

[Tbird tracker]

Hi Vosy, LED Tail light looks good but you might have trouble with the indicators beind built in to it, I think the rule is 300mm spacing between indicators. If the tail light is Emarked on the sellers web page then it is possible ok. Emarked basicly means that it is ARD complient but that doesn't meen that the inspectors will approve it???
If your looking for some LED indicators there are plenty to choose from. I am using the Hammer LED indicators from S3 Performance | Ph 1300 937 935, only 1" across at the lense and just over 2" total length, alloy body and nice chrome. A bit procey maybe bit a great look IMHO.

[Vosy]

A.6.3
A.6.3.3.1
DIRECTION INDICATOR LAMP
(1) Front indicators at least 240mm between illuminating surfaces?
(2) Front indicators outside vertical planes tangential to outside of
headlamps?
Y N NA
Y N NA
A.6.3.3.1
(3) Distance between the illuminating surface of the indicator and passing
beam headlamp at least 75mm? If NO
Note distance between illuminating surfaces………….mm
Y N NA
A.6.3.3.1 Illuminating surfaces of rear indicators at least 180mm apart? Y N NA
A.6.3.3.3 Rear indicators within 300 mm of rear end of vehicle? Y N NA
A.6.3.8
Independent switch? Y N NA
Lamps on one side operated by one control? Y N NA
A.6.3.9
Operating Green or Yellow Tell-tale fitted? If no
Is an audible operating tell-tale fitted?
Y N NA
Y N NA
If any direction indicator lamp is defective, does tell-tale extinguish, remain
alight without flashing, or shows marked change in frequency? Please circle. Y N NA
A.6.3.10.1 Flash rate 60 –120 times per minute? Y N NA
A.6.3.10.2 Flash in phase on same side? Y N NA
A.6.3.10.3 Light up within 1 sec, and extinguishes within 1.5 sec? Y N NA
A.6.3.10.4 In the event of a failure, other than a short circuit, the other direction indicator
on the same side continues to flash or remain alight? Y N NA


DIRECTION INDICATOR LAMPS
FOR LB1
(1) Front indicators at least 300mm apart?
Y N NA
(2) Front indicators further apart than the outside surfaces of the
headlamps? Y N NA
(3) Front indicator lamps at least 100mm from the headlamps? Y N NA
(4) Rear indicators not more than 400mm from the extreme outer edge of
the vehicle? Y N NA
FOR LB2
(1) Front indicators not more than 400mm from the extreme outer edge of
the vehicle?
(2) Rear indicators the distance between the two illuminating surfaces at
least 240mm apart?
(3) Rear indicators within 300mm of the rear of the vehicle?
Y N NA
Y N NA
Y N NA
67.4.3.3.3.2 Front indicators within 1,800mm of the front surface of the vehicle?
(2,500mm if necessary to comply with visibility requirements). Y N NA

And with a little reseach I got...

THREE WHEELED L-GROUP VEHICLES ( LB )
Sub-category
LB1  one wheel at front, 2 at rear (Moped).
LB2  2 wheels at front, one at rear (Moped).


That is from the Australian Government Dept of Infrastructure and Transport Website, From there Vehicle Standards Bulletin.

Only question is when they say "Surface" do they mean the actual Lense? And from which point do they measure?


But this wasnt even about indicators, this was about fenders :>

[Vosy]

Guess what

[Tbird tracker]

Yep looks like you got the latest regs there, still think you'r likely to have trouble with that particular tail light/indicator setup but here's hoping you don't.
Motor looks good now after a cleanup and that busted up bit in your hand looks vaguly familiar but I just can remember where it's from. I had 2 of the CB 250 N's in my youth so I know there a good solid bike. Good luck with the build.
Is that the retaining bolt for the oil filter???

[Vosy]

It is indeed T-Bird, after 3 days of ratcheting, tapping, heating & soaking I felt like I had no choice but to drill it out. Took ages but I managed to do it with no damage to the oil filter housing. Bitch of a Job though....

Seeing as you had 2 of these T-Bird im assuming yours had oil filters to? The reasong I ask is I called me local Honda dealer to ask if they could order it in for me and all they had to say was that the 250N's didn't have oil filters?

Also the model on mine says CB250NE and he said that it was an import? (Ive also noticed everywhere Ive read that it says these are 5 speeds, but mines a 6?

Not to worry, Ill try the other Honda dealer down the road from where I work today

[Vosy]

Not to worry, Ill try the other Honda dealer down the road from where I work today

And I did. $15 for the filter, which I bought, and then they wanted $81 for the bolt. Daylight robbery I say. I told them not to worry and casually asked for the part number - at which point the guy went off his head on some rambling tangent about part numbers being top secret confidential sensitive Honda information, which they wouldnt tell me even if I swapped it for my first born.

Wanker.

Got it from the wreckers for $20.

[Tbird tracker]

Toshay brother, thats showing the buggers at the dealers (top secret my ass). For your info the motor is the same as in the CB250 T (Hawk), (CB250 N was the Super Hawk), in most respects they are identical, I think the frame, motor, suspension and most of the running gear is a straight swap over. The tank, seat and maybe the indicators are diferent, I cant say fore sure now but I thing mine was a 6 speed, I honestly can't remember now and I think my old manual is long gone, they were a new model when I got my first one in 1980 or 81 maybe the CB250 T was only a 5 speed??? And yes mine did have the oil filter!!!

[Vosy]

Haha good to know T-Bird

Searching for a bit more info here...



Cluth plates.. they have about 3mm play, is that normal?




This chain feels fairly loose. I have no idea what it is, only thing I cant think of is it runs the oil pump? Has about 5mm play.

And what are the bolts in the top right hand corner with the slide plate? :S

Cheers!