Become a supporter to remove this ad

User Tag List

Results 1 to 17 of 17

Thread: Brake caliper rebuild for dummies. With pics.

  1. #1
    Member Rocket's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Thornlie, SOR
    Motorbike
    92 GSXR1216 turbo fighter, 01 GSXR1000 Fighter, 06 GSXR1000 Fighter, 07 HD Road King
    Liked
    2 times
    Posts
    1,295
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Brake caliper rebuild for dummies. With pics.

    So, I was checking the rear brake pads on project K1 the other day and I noticed there was a bit of fluid around the pistons on the caliper.
    Because I have just fitted some freshly painted wheels, I decided to go the safe rather than sorry route and check and reseal the caliper rather than risk having brake fluid spoil my lovely new paint.

    So I thought I'd do a few pics for people to see how it's done.
    Maybe it's been posted before but what the hell, i'll do it anyway.

    It's a very simple job and can be messy depending on how grotty your shit is. Being a rear and having only two pistons, it was pretty quick but the principles are the same for front calipers, there's just more pistons and more fucking around, particularly when getting the pistons out.

    The only tools you need are decent spanners or socket set and allen keys, an o-ring pick/scriber/pointy screwdriver, some compressed air and maybe some small G Clamps which we'll get to shortly.
    Also some cleaning fluid, i like white spirits, some use kerosene.
    Some brake fluid, i'm a bit anal and I always use a new bottle of fluid.
    Some CLEAN rags.
    After talking to McCullochs about new seals, I ended up getting seals plus pistons for not much more than just the seals. So I just went that way, instead of maybe pulling the pistons out and finding them half rooted.

    A big warning here.... Brake fluid messes paint up. If you do anything with brake fluid, keep your mits away from your bike and make sure you clean them properly before touching anything with paint on it. Except your calipers which are impervious to brake fluid.
    If you happen to spill brake fluid on any painted surface, use water and a rag to clean it off. Don't panic, just do it quickly and don't be shy with the water.

    So.......


    First up we need to remove the caliper.
    Make sure you crack EVERY bolt you will need to undo during this job BEFORE removing the caliper, a lot of these will be tight and undoing a tight fitting or bolt while holding the caliper in your hand after removal is virtually impossible.

    Here I crack the pin that holds the brake pads and anti rattle bits in place.



    Then I crack the banjo bolt carefully so as not to spill fluid. Then I nip it back up to prevent spillage to be undone later when the caliper is off the bike and away from the paint.
    Most wheels are powder coated so you probably don't have to be so anal, but I am being very carefull here.
    At this stage, if I was going to split the caliper in half to give it a really thorough clean, I would also crack the two large allen head screws (you can see one there on the bottom left of the caliper). But my caliper is pretty clean so I am not going to bother.



    The next thing is to remove the caliper, please note that I have already unbolted the arm that holds the caliper to the swingarm.
    I also put a piece of rag down to protect delicate bits.



    With the caliper removed, I put the brake line into a bottle so it could drip any fluid without causing any damage.



    This, is a banjo bolt.
    It doesn't play music.
    It has a hole going from the bottom of the bolt to the hole you can see in the side. This is how the fluid gets from the brake line and into the caliper.
    Note the two washers, these are extremely important so don't lose them.
    One washer goes on either side of the banjo fitting (on the end of the brake hose)when you bolt it up, make sure they are not damaged or crushed. They are very cheap if you need to replace them.
    Make sure they are clean, I buffed the bolt up on the wire wheel on my grinder before reassembly but it was already pretty good nick. If you don't have a wire bush, elbow grease and light sandpaper will do. Make sure you don't leave any contamination in the fluid holes after cleaning.
    Never EVER put an old rusty bolt in when you reassemble your brakes, stoopid.


    Here I am removing the pin the holds the pads and everything together, this is the pin I cracked in the earlier photo.


    These are the main components removed from above.
    Make sure the pin is cleaned and greased before you reassemble the caliper and don't lose any of the anti rattle plates. You can see one I popped off one of the pads. They both have them.
    At this time, if your pads are worn, think about whether they should be replaced.
    Mine are still low klms so i am re-using them after a clean.



    Now the fun part.
    Use some safety glasses here just in case you get a spray of brake fluid or grime in your eyes.
    I use some compressed air to push the pistons out, do it gently, don't just crank open the blow gun or you will regret it.
    But you'll notice here that only one is moving. If I let this pop out, I may have trouble getting the other one out as i can no longer pressurise the caliper with air due to the gaping hole the piston would leave.


    Here I used a piece of wood to stop the free piston from coming out.
    DO NOT EVER, EVER try to hold the piston in with your fingers.
    The piston may come out and crush your fingers, it fucking hurts and makes you look silly running around the yard with a brake caliper slammed shut onto your fingers.
    Here is where a small G clamp might come in handy to hold the piston in place while the other one begins to move.



    Here I used a scriber to remove the old quad seals after getting the pistons out.


    There's nothing worse than trying to reassemble something with parts that don't fit.
    Here I checked the sizes of the parts I removed against the new parts, all good.

    Note two things here.

    The small seal sitting by itself is to be used if I was to split the caliper into two sections for a really thorough clean. I won't need this.
    The other thing is that my pistons were in very good condition with no pitting, scratches or rust. A good wipe over could have had me using them again, but since I have new ones, i will fit them anyway.
    In the past, I have used fine wet and dry to remove rust from pistons. All the time, keeping in mind that if the damage is too great, then they will just leak, and I hate doing jobs twice. So if they had been bad, i would have changed them.


    So the next step is to thoroughly clean the caliper, making sure there is no contamination left inside where the pistons go. Be sure that the seal grooves are free of grit before fitting the new seals.

    I pour a little fresh brake fluid into the bottle cap and smear some brake fluid on the seals before I put them in. I also coat the piston to act as a lubricant for when I refit it.
    Use finesse rather than force to get the piston in. It needs to go in straight, you will need to give it a good push to get it past the seals but if you're not lined up properly, you will struggle.




    Next, with the pistons pushed all the way home, I refit the pads with rattle plates, and the top rattle plate with the freshly cleaned, buffed and greased pin.
    It's now ready to go back on the bike.
    Make sure you assemble it with the pads all the way apart to make it easy to get back on the disc.


    And here it is, bolted back up, everything tight (checked twice) and ready to get a guts full of fresh fluid and a good bleed up.


    Remember, when it comes time to bleed the brake, once you get fluid coming out of the bleed nipples, you will need to shut them off and pump the pedal or lever to push the pistons out until the pads are on the disc before you will start getting any pressure at the lever.
    Then you can resume bleeding and go chasing those last few air bubbles.

    I hope this helps people out.
    it's not a difficult job, but it can be a little messy.
    Take your time, use your brain and all will be fine.

    Cheers
    Last edited by Rocket; 10-09-2008 at 11:31 PM.
    CAUTION: ATTEMPTING TO OVERTAKE THIS VEHICLE MAY RESULT IN A HIGH SPEED WHEELIE

  2. #2
    Member Mockery's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Freo
    Motorbike
    procrastination project
    Liked
    0 times
    Posts
    1,733
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Wow, great write-up mate! Everything so clean, too!
    I struggled for ages putting my new rear pistons in, will try finesse next time.

    You say crush washers are very cheap, where do you get them from?
    I tried a heap of different places asking for a bag of them and always got told to try somewhere else...
    The fastener shops all said to try a bike shop, and the bike shops said "we can order them in piece by piece at $X each..."
    "No machine has a soul until a man shares his own with it."

  3. #3
    Member duffman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    NOR
    Liked
    8 times
    Posts
    2,372
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    nice work

    didnt read a word of it, but the pictures tell a good story.

    top stuff
    Respect is earned, not enforced.

  4. #4
    lee
    lee is offline
    Member lee's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Motorbike
    pink r1200gs
    Liked
    32 times
    Posts
    14,725
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Did this recently with my front calipers and boy does it make a huge difference having pistons that properly retract!!

    Thanks for the writeup, looks good

  5. #5
    PSB Corporate Sponsor flashpixx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    NoR
    Motorbike
    2006 FZ1-S
    Liked
    27 times
    Posts
    2,451

    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Excellent write up - the pics make the difference, thanks. Could have done with this when I did mine, learn't by trial and error which is fun but time consuming

    Having done this myself the biggie is having compressed air on hand. If you don't are there any other easy ways to remove the pistons?

    For the pin slider I went with a nice buff to get it smooth but didn't bother with grease as it seems to just gum up the works.

    ... and if you change the pads don't forget to chamfer the leading edge.
    www.flashpixx.net

    ABN 77 873 495 353

    Specialising in Motorsport Photography


  6. #6
    Member Mockery's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Freo
    Motorbike
    procrastination project
    Liked
    0 times
    Posts
    1,733
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I didn't have much trouble pumping my pistons out hydraulically...
    I was stripping out the whole back end so took the entire brake assy off as a whole.
    It wasn't too hard as I could use my fingers to hold one in and pump the other one out.
    The good thing about doing it that way is that the pistons don't fly out because the brake fluid doesn't compress. It's the elastic property of air which makes it so dangerous...
    The downside is it can get quite messy, which I was prepared for at the time.
    "No machine has a soul until a man shares his own with it."

  7. #7
    Member Rocket's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Thornlie, SOR
    Motorbike
    92 GSXR1216 turbo fighter, 01 GSXR1000 Fighter, 06 GSXR1000 Fighter, 07 HD Road King
    Liked
    2 times
    Posts
    1,295
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    You don't really need a great deal of pressure behind them unless they are really stuck.
    So I reckon that If I was ever desperate, I'd try a mate with a bike pump or even a 12v plug in car compressor.

    Obviously Mockery's way worked out allright too, they dont really hold a great deal of fluid so it wouldnt be a humungous mess when they did pop, and like he said, he was ready for it.
    You could maybe try pumping them 80% of the way out and then draining them and using multigrips to do the rest. keeping in mind not to damage where the seals run.

    Oh and BTW, the wood was mainly for show in this case and more usefull for front calipers.
    The stuck piston was on the banjo hole side so even though the wood worked to get the piston moving, I just used a T handle allen key through the hole and pushed it out the rest of the way.
    Last edited by Rocket; 10-09-2008 at 11:35 PM.
    CAUTION: ATTEMPTING TO OVERTAKE THIS VEHICLE MAY RESULT IN A HIGH SPEED WHEELIE

  8. #8
    Member BigTim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    NOR
    Motorbike
    Tiller
    Liked
    10 times
    Posts
    6,716
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Great write-up Rocket

    I re-built my front calipers a couple of months ago, and was shocked at how much better feel and power I got out of them afterwards. The amount of brake fluid "jelly" I got out of mine was pretty bad
    It'd be a must-do job on any bike 5+ years old, IMO.

    Oh, and those green and polished wheels look porn. Looking forward to seeing a full set of pictures soon
    FTP

  9. #9
    Member zed7fiddy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    NSW
    Motorbike
    A Beast
    Liked
    0 times
    Posts
    1,004
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Great write up.

    I read in my service manual that to remove the pistons without air you press the brake lever before removing the hose.
    '82 TS 185 - '89 CD250U - '94 ZZR 250 - '06 Z750 & '79 DS80

    Muscle Bikes Rock. You heard me. And go minibikes! Wheeeeeeeeeee

  10. #10
    Member chee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Fremantle
    Motorbike
    Slingshot, RGV250, Monark
    Liked
    0 times
    Posts
    3,147
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    you can do that too. its a little bit messier. but its easy to do on the rear. for the fronts its harder to do though.

  11. #11
    Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Liked
    36 times
    Posts
    8,755
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket View Post
    You don't really need a great deal of pressure behind them unless they are really stuck.
    So I reckon that If I was ever desperate, I'd try a mate with a bike pump or even a 12v plug in car compressor.

    Obviously Mockery's way worked out allright too, they dont really hold a great deal of fluid so it wouldnt be a humungous mess when they did pop, and like he said, he was ready for it.
    You could maybe try pumping them 80% of the way out and then draining them and using multigrips to do the rest. keeping in mind not to damage where the seals run.

    Oh and BTW, the wood was mainly for show in this case and more usefull for front calipers.
    The stuck piston was on the banjo hole side so even though the wood worked to get the piston moving, I just used a T handle allen key through the hole and pushed it out the rest of the way.
    Multi grips; dangerous !!
    Other way of getting the cups out is with a greasegun.
    changebleed nipples for grease nipps and pump in grease till they come out.
    not a clean way of doing it , but no "explosion" on propper old stuck ones either!

  12. #12
    Semi Semi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Freo
    Motorbike
    K6 GSXR750
    Liked
    33 times
    Posts
    12,998
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I dont see the problem with using vice grips on the very end of the piston, if it scores it it doesnt matter, because they don't go in that far.

    Also doesnt matter if you have new pistons.
    If cleanliness is next to godliness, why was jesus a dirty sandal-wearing beardo?

  13. #13
    Member chee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Fremantle
    Motorbike
    Slingshot, RGV250, Monark
    Liked
    0 times
    Posts
    3,147
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    i pumped them out as much as i could. then with the stubborn ones i folded over a cloth a few times and used a vice grip so i could get a grip to wriggle it out (no damage). just need to be very very careful thats all.

  14. #14
    Member Xuaxace's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Liked
    3 times
    Posts
    7,721
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by zed7fiddy View Post
    Great write up.

    I read in my service manual that to remove the pistons without air you press the brake lever before removing the hose.
    I had to do use brake lever force to get my pistons out of the ZZR (2 pot) It was fairly hard as the pistons slid at different rates so I had to play for 30 mins until both came out at the same time.

    If the pistons and seals aren't to far gone they should slid out at the same time, mine didn't, what a headache!

  15. #15
    Member smeghead's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Forrestfield
    Motorbike
    Ducati 916 Bip, ZX6RR for da track
    Liked
    4 times
    Posts
    2,471

    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    2 things

    Use rubber grease on seals to aid in reassembly & reduce the ingress & build up of crap under the seals.

    Use some largish hose clamps to hold back the pistons you don't want to move & direct all the force to the 'stuck' one or the one you're working on.
    .. and thats Racer # 193 to y'all; my fabulous sponsors (who all do good shit) are: Graeme Fleming IT Consultants, Vision Image, Pacific Safety Wear, Excess Power Equipment, Pro Photo Booth, Canning Vale Travel, Gryphon Garage Doors

    .. and according to Sean'o: 'get the Kwaka (never thought i would say that!)'

  16. #16
    New Member
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    London
    Motorbike
    BMW F800GS
    Liked
    0 times
    Posts
    2
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    In Africa first time seized caliper and I am a dummy

    Awesome post.
    Just had the worst 3 days riding ever in terms of terrain from Gabon to the Congo and when I got through it - thankfully not during - my rear calliper seized up.

    Never had this problem before and so was a bit panicky, particularly as you can't get parts out here for bigger bikes and then I saw this post!

    Awesome...will be following your pics and description with care as soon as I find some brake fluid...
    Feeling much more relaxed about it now I know I have a friendly 'voice' to refer back to!

    Cheers,
    Hansiger

  17. #17
    New Member
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    London
    Motorbike
    BMW F800GS
    Liked
    0 times
    Posts
    2
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I can well and truly confirm that the above all worked beautifully even in the hands of a complete dummy; me. Laptop open and just the pictures and I now have a fully working rear brake again.

    Cheers Rocket, am out having a beer in your name.
    H

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0