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    Rattle can paint jobs

    I know there's other motorcycle paint threads, but because this is fairly conclusive I'd think I'd stick it on its own. Shamelessly stolen from another forum:

    I am no professional painter, however I am very experienced in using can spray paint for various purposes on a variety of surfaces. I have done everything from small bits and pieces to full mural art. I have painted cars, motorcycles, boats, and much more all using “rattle cans”. I decided to post this in order to help anyone who may not have experience using the “rattle can” method. I have seen various posts where someone gave some advice on painting, some using rattle can and some using professional equipment. I intend on covering every step in this thread. I hope anyone who has experience, will elaborate or criticize any of my method they see fit in order to prefect a collaborative method. The main reason I wanted to do this thread is I have seen where lesser experienced people have struggled with “rattle canning”. I hope they can use this as a reference.

    Keys to a great rattle can job:
    1. Start with good body work
    2. Buy good quality brand paints
    3. Learn to move in one direction with long even strokes
    4. Create a make-shift paint booth(good lighting, sealed off from bugs/dusts/wind)
    5. GOOD PAINT TAKES TIME!

    Tools and supplies needed:
    1. Dual action sander, preferably variable speed or at least a variable speed trigger
    2. Sand paper for DA sander, 400 grit / 800grit / 1200grit / 2000grit
    3. Acetone or denatured rubbing alcohol
    4. Liquid soap
    5. Lint free cloths (clean)!
    6. Filler primer ( I like the gray rustoleum brand)
    7. Body color paint
    8. Clear enamel paint

    Intro:
    As stated in the keys above, the body work must be smooth and seamless, I cannot stress that enough! (Maybe someone who is handy with the body filler and finishing techniques will create that tread) I still like to prep the body work for paint by using the DA sander and the 400grit followed by the 800grit turning it on a high speed. If you are painting on fiberglass, be careful around edges not to cut in too deep. You are looking for a smooth surface with no noticeable transitions from filler to metal or resin. Never work in your paint booth unless painting body color or clear coat, even the primer will create a dust in your booth!

    The following are prep methods that you will refer back to in many stages of the process, so from this point forward each method will be sited by its title.

    “Wash Prep”:
    Wash object with running water and soap. I like dish washing liquid. Make sure you use a rag. Rinse thoroughly with running water. Wipe dry with shamy or lint free cloth. Allow some time after to air dry.

    “Tack prep”:
    Move object to paint booth. Using a clean/dry lint free cloth, wipe down entire object with liberal amounts of acetone or denatured alcohol. Be sure you do not touch the object with anything (especially your fingers) after wiping down.

    Prep:
    When ready to begin painting you should start with a light coat to check your body work. This first coat will show you any imperfections before you waist too much time. Begin by “wash prepping” your object, then spray a light coat of the primer on the object. You should be holding the can 16 to 20 inches away from the object, waving it back and forth lightly while intermittently releasing and pressing the nozzle. You want to slowly cover the item with a light even coat, barley getting the object covered in color. Allow this coat to dry for 15-20 minutes. Visually inspect the object for imperfections in the bodywork. If you see definite lines where two layers meet or pitting, your body work is not done and you are not ready for paint. Once you are satisfied with you visual inspection coat move on to priming!

    Priming:
    Start by “dust coating”. This means hold the can about 20 inches from object and rapidly depress and release the nozzle until you have covered the entire object in a dusty looking coat. This coat should have a texture to it, which is what allows you to build a heavy coat without getting running or sheeting. Never let this “dust coat” look wet; you are laying it to heavy if it appears wet. Allow the “dust coat” 5 minutes to set then begin “covering”. “Covering” means to lay fairly heavy coats of paint using the longest stroke possible. (EXAMPLE: if you were painting a flat square you would start across the bottom and work to the top by moving in horizontal strokes. Aim the nozzle more toward the unpainted surface and away from the freshly painted surface. Depressing the nozzle before your come over the edge and releasing after passing over the opposite edge, painting in both directions.) You should hold the can 12 to 14inches from object and overlap each previous pass by about 2 inches. Don’t try to get it to cover everything, just move at one constant speed and keep it all even, you will be making many passes over the object so it will get covered. After you first “covering coat” you can start over with another “covering coat”. That should be done about for times before pausing. After the forth coat, stop and allow a 15 minute tack time. After the time has passed you can lay on another four coats of “covering”, wait 15 more minutes then repeat covering again! At this point you have 12 coats on your object, it needs to cure, primer dries fast but when you lay it heavy it will take a while for it to cure. Place the object in your booth or other safe place and allow it to cure for at least 48 hours. After curing you may find that your primer has a gritty texture or even some egg shell or orange peel finish, this is ok. In fact if you did it all right, it should! Time to do some sanding! With your DA sander on a low speed, wet sand the surface using 1200grit. DO NOT sand corners with sander, save them and do them by hand very lightly. (TIP: mix up some wet sanding solution by using one tea spoon of baby shampoo in a gallon of water) Once the primer coat is all smooth, time to lay some color! If you sanded through your primer coat, Embarrassed do it all again, and sand lighter!

    Color painting:
    It is crucial that you have a good grasp of the “covering” technique for laying color. Begin by doing the “wash prep” followed by the ”tack prep”. Once you are ready and feeling confident with your “covering” technique, begin your “dust coat” of the color. Allow that 10 minutes to tack then go with the “covering” method. Just as above do the “covering” method by doing four full passes, wait 15 minutes, repeat, and repeat again. This again should be twelve coats, give this 24 hours in the booth. After the set time, go straight into another “dust” coat followed by the same 12 coat “covering” process. Curing time, allow the object at least 48 hours to cure before continuing. After curing, DA wet sand the object lightly with the 1200 grit paper, again stay away from edges, they will have to be done by hand. Make sure you start with clean paper. Sand until orange peel finish is removed all the way down to smooth color, but not through to primer! Once sanded, complete a “wash prep” followed by“tack prep”. DO NOT “dust coat” this time, just lay two passes of “covering” coats and wait 15 minutes then lay two “covering” coats of clear paint. Allow this to cure for 48 hours. Now you’re ready to clear.

    Clear Coating:
    Start by “tack prepping”. After you have prepped, lay four passes of “covering” coats with the clear, wait 15 minutes, repeat, then repeat again. After that you must cure for 48 hours. Wet sand using clean 1200 grit at low speed, “wash prep”, “tack prep”, repeat the entire “covering” coat steps again. Cure for 48 hours and repeat wet sanding, after wet sanding with 1200 grit move to 2000grit and smooth out more. You are almost there! “Wash prep” again then begin buffing.

    Buffing:
    Using a high speed buffer and a fine buffing compound, buff clear coat on high speed applying light pressure over entire object. “Wash prep” and wax using a quality wax and hand applicator. Apply and remove wax by hand, two or three coats really gets a nice bling.

    I hope you find this helpful, the above is for gloss paints only, Flat takes a different method. If you would like to know that method; let me know, give me some time, and I will add it to this thread.

    Cheers! And happy “rattle canning”!

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    For flat colours:

    For the Tuff look!

    Well here it is, for the ones out there who are planning on going with flat paint. I have copied portions of the process that are the same as above and pasted them here so it will be easy for you to copy and print the process for reference. Have fun!

    Keys to a great (flat) rattle can job:
    1. Start with excellent bodywork
    2. Buy good quality brand paints
    3. Learn to move in even strokes with even pace
    4. Create a makeshift paint booth (good lighting, sealed off from bugs/dusts/wind)
    5. GOOD PAINT TAKES TIME!

    Tools and supplies needed:
    1. Dual action sander, preferably variable speed or at least a variable speed trigger
    2. Sand paper for DA sander, 400 grit / 800grit / 1200grit
    3. Acetone or denatured rubbing alcohol
    4. Liquid soap
    5. Lint free cloths (clean)!
    6. Filler primer ( I like the gray rustoleum brand)
    7. Body color paint (flat)

    Intro:
    As stated in the keys above, the body work must be smooth and seamless, I cannot stress that enough! (Maybe someone who is handy with the body filler and finishing techniques will create that tread) I still like to prep the body work for paint by using the DA sander and the 400grit followed by the 800grit turning it on a high speed. If you are painting on fiberglass, be careful around edges not to cut in too deep. You are looking for a smooth surface with no noticeable transitions from filler to metal or resin. Do all your painting in the booth, but remember painting and “tack prep” is the only things you should do in the booth, never sand.

    The following are prep methods that you will refer back to in many stages of the process, so from this point forward each method will be sited by its title.

    “Wash Prep”:
    Wash object with running water and soap. I like dish washing liquid. Make sure you use a rag. Rinse thoroughly with running water. Wipe dry with shamy or lint free cloth. Allow some time after to air dry.

    “Tack prep”:
    Move object to paint booth. Using a clean/dry lint free cloth, wipe down entire object with liberal amounts of acetone or denatured alcohol. Be sure you do not touch the object with anything (especially your fingers) after wiping down.

    Prep:
    When ready to begin painting you should start with a light coat to check your body work. This first coat will show you any imperfections before you waist too much time. Begin by “wash prepping” your object, then spray a light coat of the primer on the object. You should be holding the can 16 to 20 inches away from the object, waving it back and forth lightly while intermittently releasing and pressing the nozzle. You want to slowly cover the item with a light even coat, barley getting the object covered in color. Allow this coat to dry for 15-20 minutes. Visually inspect the object for imperfections in the bodywork. If you see definite lines where two layers meet or pitting, your bodywork is not done and you are not ready for paint. Once you are satisfied with you visual inspection coat move on to priming!

    Priming:
    Start by “dust coating”. This means hold the can about 20 inches from object and rapidly depress and release the nozzle until you have covered the entire object in a dusty looking coat. This coat should have a texture to it, which is what allows you to build a heavy coat without getting running or sheeting. Never let this “dust coat” look wet; you are laying it to heavy if it appears wet. Allow the “dust coat” 5 minutes to set then lay on another dust coat and wait five more minutes. Now you are ready to start “covering”. “Covering” means to lay fairly heavy coats of paint using the longest stroke possible. (EXAMPLE: if you were painting a flat square you would start across the bottom and work to the top by moving in horizontal strokes. Aim the nozzle more toward the unpainted surface and away from the freshly painted surface. Depressing the nozzle before your come over the edge and releasing after passing over the opposite edge, painting in both directions.) You should hold the can 12 to 14inches from object and overlap each previous pass by about 2 inches. Don’t try to get it to cover everything, just move at one constant speed and keep it all even, you will be making many passes over the object so it will get covered. After you first “covering coat” you can start over with another “covering coat”. That should be done about four times before pausing. After the fourth coat, stop and allow a 15 minute tack time. After the time has passed you can lay on another four coats of “covering”, wait 15 more minutes then repeat covering again! At this point you have 12 coats on your object, it needs to sit for a while, primer dries fast but when you lay it heavy it will take a while for it to cure. Place the object in your booth or other safe place and allow it to sit for at least 3 hours. After 3 hours you should repeat this entire process. Flat paint looks heavier if you have a thick primer. When you get back to the end this time it will need to cure for 48 hours. You may find that your primer has a gritty texture or even some egg shell or orange peel finish, this is ok. In fact if you did it all right, it should! Time to do some sanding! With your DA sander on a low speed, wet sand the surface using 1200grit. DO NOT sand corners with sander, save them and do them by hand very lightly. (TIP: mix up some wet sanding solution by using one teaspoon of baby shampoo in a gallon of water) Once the primer coat is somewhat smooth, time to lay some color! If you sanded through your primer coat, do it all again, and sand lighter!

    Flat color painting:
    For flat paint you will have to modify the “covering” technique. You will do your first “flat paint covering” coat just as before, but when you follow with the next coat you will rotate your spray direction in a 45 degree angel from your previous direction. (EXAMPLE: if you were painting a flat square you would start across the bottom and work to the top by moving in horizontal strokes. Aim the nozzle more toward the unpainted surface and away from the freshly painted surface. Depressing the nozzle before your come over the edge and releasing after passing over the opposite edge, painting in both directions / on your next coat you would start at the bottom corner and move toward the top opposite corner with diagonal strokes/ on the next coat you would start on the right side and work toward the left moving in vertical strokes / fourth coat will be from top corner moving toward bottom opposite corner moving in diagonal strokes that are perpendicular to your previous diagonal pass) Begin by doing the “wash prep” followed by the ”tack prep”. Once you are ready and feeling confident with your “flat paint covering” technique, begin your “dust coat” of the flat color. Allow that 10 minutes to tack then go with the “flat paint covering” method. Just as above do the “flat paint covering” method by doing four full passes (each turned 45 degrees from last), wait 15 minutes, repeat, and repeat again. This again should be twelve coats, give this 2 hours in the booth. After the set time, go straight into another “dust” coat followed by the same 12 coat “flat paint covering” process. Wait two hours, repeat again. You will have 32 coats on at this time. Curing time! Allow the object at least 48 hours to cure. It should be done! However if the finish is too rough you can wet sand with 1200 grit lightly and evenly, then “wash prep”. After it dries you can rock the thing as is or lay a few more passes on it. Your call!

    Clear Coating:
    What clear coat? You choose to go with the “I don’t give a shit” tough look, it may get scratched, but that just adds character!


    Buffing:
    Buffing is for bling jobs! Your not building a show piece, you choose flat. Use the buffer for your boots and get to riding your rat!

    I hope you find this helpful! Good Luck!

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    Cool guide, thanks, although i use a low pressure sprayer on me 2hp comp.

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    Does the type of paint matter? I'm going to paint the plastics of a spare postie I have as a test before I do my postie. I'm thinking you need to use different primer for plastics compared to metal but the paint doesn't matter. I picked up "Satin Black Acrylic" and "Bumper Primer" as I thought the primer would be nicer to the plastic. Is the clear coat a must? I'm leaning against doing the clear on the postie.

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    Not sure if bumper prime is the same as plastic primer, probably is, but you can get plastic primer in a rattle can. You can plastic prime it, then use a primer/filler to fill and small chips, sand with 600 wet and then paint. No point putting a clear over a satin as it will turn it to gloss, unless you can get a satin clear these day? Think you can get a flat clear now but unsure about a satin.

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    Mine is a simple one;
    I rattle the can with some coin$ in it and Spuddy does the rest!
    Smashing results!
    Last edited by Jamathi; 20-10-2009 at 07:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamathi View Post
    Mine is a simple one;
    I ratle the can with some coin$ in it and Spuddy does the rest!
    Smashing results!
    Hahaha, best rattle can job ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotelBushranger View Post
    Shamelessly stolen from another forum:
    could you steal some pics to go with it?
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    Sorry mate, none available from that thread, will dig around and see if there are any hidden ones in other threads.

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    As promised:
    here's what you can do with rattlecan and wetsanding...lots of wetsanding.



    There's a bit of bondo under this as well - I hid the badge mounts and a couple little dings with bondo and filler primer. Still needs a buffing out and a wax, but I gotta let it dry first.

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    With the thin white lines on the above picture and finer work on rattlecan jobs, are they normally just done by taping the base colour and respraying?

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    For stripes or painted on graphics you will need to complete the color coating all the way first, event the layer of clear at the end, then tape off after it has all cured and do your next color following all of the same steps in the color covering section on your second color (even the clearing again). Use an Exacto knife to cut the paint free from the taped line, be careful not to cut too deep, a little marking from the cut line is ok, due to the next steps. After removing tape, wet sand the entire object and prep for clear coating!

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    Damn...nice write up. Well the Thundercat I just bought could use a little bit of TLC - patricularly the front fender might benefit from this cause I can't find a 2nd hand replacement to save my life (and brand new they're $200 from Yamaha).

    Might go home and practice this technique on the g/f's car before turning my hand to the 'cat next week.
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    nice write up. thanks fore the info
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    Nice writeups, thanks Bushie this will help when it comes to me painting mine.

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    Thought I'd post up a comparison photo (phone quality!) of how my gloss black rattle can job went, still got to buff the two rear side panels and the mirrors but I'm pretty pleased with it. Not bad for a backyard job with no experience

    (spoilers cause the pic may be a bit wide.)
    Spoiler: show


    First is the damage from the crash, several other fairings were cracked with bits snapped off etc, but this is the best example photo I have!
    Second is the plastic welding (brilliant job done by JME!) with some plastic filler to even it out.
    Third is the completed job (hasn't been waxed or polished yet, waiting 2-3 weeks as a friend suggested - can't hurt!)

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    Looks pretty good

    Can you tell the difference in colour between the OEM and the Rattle can.

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    Here is what I did to my ZZR, I choose Matte black, best decision ever. In conjuction with the polished frame it looks so much better than it used to before.


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    Smile

    Ah, that looks much better. Can't see you at night now though!

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    Is the technique for painting plastic fairings the same for metal tanks?

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    1. get it smooth (bog, sand, repeat).
    2. roughen it up for a mechanical keying.
    3. Maybe use some flex additive, owait, this is just rattle cans.
    4. go nuts.
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