Yoshi slip on - opinions? - Page 2

AusStealth · 15-08-2008, 09:35 PM

Go for the TRS/TRC titanium or stainless. Screw carbon. Offer the locals the opportunity to match other prices; then if they can't, well f*ck'em. The problem is often not the retailer, its the thieving bastard middle man that is creaming the profits.

jules_1972 · 15-08-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AusStealth

Go for the TRS/TRC titanium or stainless. Screw carbon. Offer the locals the opportunity to match other prices; then if they can't, well f*ck'em. The problem is often not the retailer, its the thieving bastard middle man that is creaming the profits.

Charming post.

AusStealth · 19-08-2008, 06:45 PM

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Charming post.

Well thank you kind sir. What do you wholesale? I do my research, why should we be nice to rat bags?

Col · 19-08-2008, 06:51 PM

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Well thank you kind sir. What do you wholesale? I do my research, why should we be nice to rat bags?

Good work ... Having a go at someone on this board whom has contributed 1000 times over what people who read these comments are about...

Seems you "Dont" do your research ....

The only Rat bag's are "Newbs" who dont engage brain before typing shit....

thro · 19-08-2008, 07:10 PM

There's supporting dealers, and there's highway robbery.

I have no problem buying local if the following conditions are met:
1. (and most important factor) - the item is in stock
2. price premium is "reasonable". by reasonable, i mean 25-40% markup over what it is available for if I order it in.

Hence, for most smaller items that are typically in stock, I buy local.

However, when I was quoted prices on a slip on for my bike, the price was 3x what I paid from the US - and it would have to be ordered in anyway. Yes, the dealer has to make a living, and yes, they have to pay import duties, etc, etc.

That doesn't alter the reality that I ordered mine in from the states myself (no duty on items under $1000 these days) and saved 1200 bucks. A purchase of $600 for a $1800 locally priced item (the 1800 could have included fitting, but I didn't ask for fitting, so...) is a big saving in anybody's language. Again, I can appreciate the need to make a living, but I need to pay for things myself, too.

If you have to have something ordered in, I'd recommend at least checking out what you can get from the US - even with the dollar being "shit" compared to a couple of weeks ago you could maybe save yourself a packet.

AusStealth · 19-08-2008, 07:55 PM

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The only Rat bag's are "Newbs" who dont engage brain before typing shit....

Seems you have a vested interest too............you'll note I don't have much of an issue with the retailers, bar the fact they support the flea bags. The only newb I am is to this board, not to life old sun.

FireStorm · 19-08-2008, 08:04 PM

If it's on the shelf I'll buy local. If it has to be ordered I'll get it from the states.

Simple maths, if it's on the shelf the store has to recoup it and I like to support the local guys. If it has to be ordered in then the store looses/gains nothing and the importer im the middle driving the prices high gets fucked.

Col · 19-08-2008, 08:21 PM

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What do you wholesale? I do my research, why should we be nice to rat bags?

Why would you ask if Jules does wholesale?... Look at his bikes and pehaps his profile and you'll understand what I'm getting at.. .. The only thing Jules get's from Shops are free cigareetes..

I think Jules was getting at is he thought the "F*%*em remark wasnt nessessary ...

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Originally Posted by thro

There's supporting dealers, and there's highway robbery.

I have no problem buying local if the following conditions are met:
1. (and most important factor) - the item is in stock
2. price premium is "reasonable". by reasonable, i mean 25-40% markup over what it is available for if I order it in.

So, without having a stab ( I asure you it's not my intention ) can you fix said loaner with "imported" parts?

Also, why should 'Retailers" lend vehicles when a vehicle (yours or anyone else's) is getting servicved? I can well assuer you that dealership workshop's dont cover the cost of running a retail store.. And then peop's buy off shore and want discounts and "loan bikes" .....

The Wholesale's have their price, because the buy it in bulk, pay for it and then have to warehouse it so the comsumer has it available...

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The only newb I am is to this board, not to life old sun.

Fair call.. Perhaps I should lay of the Makers Mark... So, your an old prick I take it?

Yuggert · 19-08-2008, 09:51 PM

Aw I was gonna call up tomorrow and enquire about a loan bike, my bike's at yamaha next tuesday, i thought you guys loved me

jules_1972 · 19-08-2008, 10:09 PM

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Well thank you kind sir. What do you wholesale? I do my research, why should we be nice to rat bags?

Hmmm, your getting off to a real good start.

WTF research????

Captain Starfish · 19-08-2008, 10:45 PM

Woah.

I thought this was about choosing between two zorsts...

Any chance you can have a listen to them?

The first one looked better IMO - the trumpety side view of the carbon tipped second one didn't really do it for me.

And question of supplier is kinda moot if you've tied the zorst into a bling deal with the bike anyway, isn't it???

As a suggestion, AusStealth - why not create a new thread (with a poll, even) asking for opinions in general regarding source of gear, local or offshore?

thro · 19-08-2008, 10:55 PM

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So, without having a stab ( I asure you it's not my intention ) can you fix said loaner with "imported" parts?

No, I can't. This is why I am paying the insurance.

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Also, why should 'Retailers" lend vehicles when a vehicle (yours or anyone else's) is getting servicved? I can well assuer you that dealership workshop's dont cover the cost of running a retail store.. And then peop's buy off shore and want discounts and "loan bikes" .....

Not that this has anything at all to do with the topic... but.... Because it gets them repeat business. I *will* buy my next bike from Prestige at this point, purely on the basis of customer service.

Again, I think you miss my point. I don't deny that the dealer has to cover costs, make a buck, etc. However, for me or any other consumer to pay 2-3x the price for something, and have to wait just as long for it purely to support local business is a bit of a big ask.

Either its because:
- they're marking things up massively to make a buck: fair enough, but i value my $, and have to eat as well
or
- the parts are costing them too much to supply to be competitive with online ordering. not sure what the answer is there, other than "don't compete" and perhaps book out labour to fit the parts people order, wherever they may be from. As a customer, I don't care for the logistics of wholesalers vs retailers etc - i care about the cost to my bank account.

I understand the position retailers in this country are in. I agree, its unfortunate. It sucks, even. As a customer though, I am looking to get value for money. Money i save on parts is money i could be spending on servicing that i would otherwise do myself, or other bits and pieces I purchase that the dealer actually has in stock.

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Yeah this has deviated off topic a little, but the point of local vs overseas ordering was raised...

Vivendus · 19-08-2008, 11:01 PM

Oh, didnt i tell you guys... im goin the R55... yup, decided that a couple a days ago but the thread had evolved beyond my simple question anyhoo.

Seriously, thanks for the input though. and yes, CPT Starfish, it was a moot point in my case, but it's hard to turn away from a train wreck once it gets derailed eh?

Captain Starfish · 20-08-2008, 07:58 AM

Heh heh, like I can criticise others for derailing a thread, too...

Enjoy the zorst vivendus - they both look pretty good.

AusStealth · 20-08-2008, 09:18 PM

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WTF research????

Research into the horrendous markups that are applied by wholesalers/middle men operating in just about every retail market in Australia.

Simply, Australian consumers are spending large amounts of cash to line the coffers of a few greedy people. This impacts on retailers, as it reduces their potential turnover. So thats what I have researched. The retailers should be heaping it on the flea bags, just as the consumer should be. I get angry when I read comments that suggest that we will lose retail outlets by buying on-line and such; the reality is that we won't as long as we bring the middle man to account. Just check what you pay for veggies when you next go to Woolies, then ask the guy thats growing them. Is the difference really down to the price of transporting them to the shop?

Lets look at some motorcycle related research. An item manufactured in Pakistan is sold in the the US for $299 US. It was a while ago that I went to school, but I know that Pakistan-Oz and Pakistan-US is not that much different in air miles. Even with the recently reduced value of the OZ to US dollar, it makes that item about $350. I found it retailing in Perth recently for in excess of $600. True the market is smaller and the turnover/cashflow slower, but I bet the retailer isn't picking up the both the basic retail markup included in the $350 and the additional $250 as well?

My comments may be seen as intemperate, but thats because I don't like what is going on. So indeed, I say f@$k em!