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thestewy09
12-08-2010, 08:39 PM
I'm looking at buying a dirt bike, but I'm having trouble working out what the good low maintenance bikes are that would be good first dirt bikes. I need the bike to be road registrable.

it will be used for stuffing around out bush, no mx track work.

budget is 4k or less.

so far from research low maintenance bikes:
xr 250
drz400e/klx400
klx 250?
ttr 250?
wr 250 r - not so sure about this one.

any ideas or suggestions from more experienced people?

MattyA
12-08-2010, 09:18 PM
the the usethesearchengine 250 its pretty good

milesiles
12-08-2010, 09:22 PM
ttr 250, had 2, would get another in a heart beat. older ones a reasonably priced.

dr00
13-08-2010, 08:13 AM
drz250 or drz400e

thro
13-08-2010, 08:17 AM
DT175 or DT200.

2 stroke, but not really high strung, i had a 175 for quite a few years as a kid growing up.

I saw a new one in a Yamaha dealer a couple of years ago, it looked pretty much identical to the one i had new in 1994 :D

Fill with oil, fill with fuel, and go...


edit:
no power valves, only rev to about 7k... its a lot more 4 stroke like than your typical modern 2 stroke. without the oil changes, valve clearances, etc... the 175 is even air cooled - no radiator to fuck up, no worries about some arse-clown filling it with tap water and corroding the shit out of the block, etc.

Yagadan
13-08-2010, 08:20 AM
Yamaha XT250.

smitto
13-08-2010, 09:27 AM
XR250/400,DRZ400, TTR250 ect are all low maintenance

WRF/ CRF blah blah.... need servicing every 500kms, and in doing so they make 2 stroke motoX bikes look like low maintenance.





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Decoy
13-08-2010, 09:37 AM
I just bought a ttr (my first also) and love it. There's a couple of cheap klx's here on the forum for sale

Spock
13-08-2010, 09:55 AM
Suzuki DRZ250 - cheaper and lighter and lower maintenance than a DRZ400.

michael
13-08-2010, 03:01 PM
XR250/400,DRZ400, TTR250 ect are all low maintenance

WRF/ CRF blah blah.... need servicing every 500kms, and in doing so they make 2 stroke motoX bikes look like low maintenance. .

Couldnt have put it any better! check out the aftermarket support too, ie; Ballards is Big on XR stuff.

ozzypatrol
13-08-2010, 05:25 PM
i'd never really ridden dirt till a month ago, but cheap, easy, simple. go a bigfoot pitbike. I got a pitpro 160 bigfoot, easy to ride, just be good with maintenance and its sweet.

PaulMac
13-08-2010, 05:43 PM
Couldn't go too wrong with a DT175. Absolutely indestructable, fairly light, very easy to ride, cheap to buy and dirt cheap to maintain. Parts are almost the same from about 1985 to whenever they stopped making them. I even owned one years ago and couldn't kill it despite trying to on a motocross track.

XR250's aren't too bad but can give trouble if really thrashed and oil not changed enough. They get hot enough for the hard casing to come off the transmission gears.

If after a 4 stroke, DRZ250's are virtually bullet proof and cheap.

If you are smaller sized, yeah one of the pit bikes could be good. Cheap to buy and can be quite reliable. Generally no reg though.

thestewy09
13-08-2010, 08:25 PM
thanks for all the input. I'm looking at a few over the weekend klx 250, ttr 250, and a drz 400.

and i'm going to go around a few of the bike shops as well


If you are smaller sized, yeah one of the pit bikes could be good. Cheap to buy and can be quite reliable. Generally no reg though.

194 cm, 92 kg's

Deej
13-08-2010, 08:45 PM
TTR250, Refer: http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/forum/f98/dirty-bike-advice-110507/

JDizzle
13-08-2010, 09:58 PM
suzuki ts 185
awesome fun bike that will take a beating

dazza1968
14-08-2010, 10:48 AM
Have had alot of different bikes n the cr n wr are a bit more work but what is it really a bit more oil changes n u get it back when you want a bit more from your bike , 20 mins every 5 hrs is not alot when you look at the extra fun lol, now to answer your question I would go a xr400 a bit more power no water cooling n only one place to drain n fill oil is a one part operation .......... But for me I like the response of the crf,s so a little bit of time is all worth it regards dazza

thro
14-08-2010, 11:49 AM
Just on the DT175 maintenance thing.... i rode one off road pretty much every day for a couple of hours on average (after school and on weekends - wasn't much else to do in Denmark) for 2 years before i left home.

Sum total of the maintenance required: plugs, chain lube, and oil tank refills.

That was it.


Its not the highest performance bike out there, but this also means it doesn't self-destruct unless you rebuild it every 500km. Would do 140 just fine from memory, which is fast enough... :D

And yeah, they're road registerable :)

thestewy09
14-08-2010, 06:34 PM
those dt175 look tempting but i don't really want to have to worry about mixing fuel all the time. although there are a few in this weeks quokka and cheap as.

pretty much tossing up between klx 250, ttr 250, drz 250, xr 250.

good info i've found:
Suzuki DRZ-250 vs. Kawasaki KLX250S - ADVrider (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=344212)
250cc Adventure Bike - Page 2 - ADVrider (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=287623&page=2)
KLX250 to 300 Upgrade Review - Kawasaki Forums (http://kawasakiforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19379)
XR250 vs KLX300 vs TTR250 - ThumperTalk (http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-37608.html)

ReCon
14-08-2010, 10:36 PM
XR's if you can get the hang of kicking the bastard over when you drop it! They are bullet proof and have seen a few flogged ancient old girls still going hard lately!
Change the oil? , plug? chain lube? WTF??

AliastheJester
15-08-2010, 10:22 AM
The DT175 is self mixing i think stewy, just put oil in a seperate tank every time you fill the fuel tank.
There are also low performance trailbikes like tw230 ttr230 crf230l xt250. They are cheaper new and make some of the current trailbikes look high strung.
The four you're looking at are all good if you can find one thats well looked after. DR-Z400E is also definitely worth a look if you can find one at the right price.
Edit: just to go off subject a bit, are any of the current two stroke enduros road registerable?

Uni
15-08-2010, 09:50 PM
KTM 300 EXC off the top of my head, not sure of the other KTM 2bangers though.



Edit: looks like the 250 EXC is rego'd as well

Uni
15-08-2010, 10:15 PM
How is the DRZ spock? Was it the right choice?

Spock
16-08-2010, 10:39 AM
How is the DRZ spock? Was it the right choice?
For me the DRZ250 was the best choice. I bought mine new during a Suzuki 'cashback offer' and it was only a few hundred dollars more expensive than some late-model second hand ones for sale at bike shops or even in the quokka. It was also substantially cheaper than any other 230-250cc road trail - including the Yamaha TTR250 and even the much lower spec TTR230.

Even if the cost had been the same, I would have purchased the DRZ250 over the TTR250 as the DRZ is a more modern design, is lighter, has a lower seat height and has a lot of nice touches such as an oil cooler, grease nipples on the suspension linkages and swingarm and a 10 liter fuel tank.

I briefly considered the DRZ400 but I didn't need the extra engine and I certainly didn't want the extra weight. For trailriding the 250 has more than enough power and torque. I participated in the Adventure Rally and I never felt the need for more engine (or suspension) performance.

In fact, my only complaint about the DRZ250 is the weight - but then again I'd rather have electric start than a few kilogrammes less weight. In any event the DRZ carries its weight low so you only really feel it when you have to pick it up. (It sure is a heavy sucker!) There is no lighter alternative anyway as the only lighter road-trail bike currently available in this class is the Yamaha TTR230A and that is a much lower spec bike (although a very underrated bike btw - I have one of those in the shed too!)

out_in_front
16-08-2010, 11:36 AM
I still would like a drz 400 engine in a RMZ450 frame, good suspension + light weight + enough power + low maintenance engine FTW! Pity they dont make it...

Closest alternative I can think of would be the Berg 390 or KTM 400, both cost a bit though.
Next bike I get (probably in a years time.. bloody Uni) will probably be a Husky 510 or KTM 530 - both are light, registerable and relatively low maintenance (not at the DRZ250's level though) probably a bit much for a learner though.

Jasey
16-08-2010, 12:13 PM
At your height the TTR would probably suit you. They are taller than any of the other 250 entry level dirt bikes I've riden. Like everyone said if you can find an older XR, TTR or DRZ you'll have a great bike to learn on. You aren't going to find a WR in your price range and all of the older models are carby based so they're all recommended to be serviced very regularly. The KLR's or KLX or what ever they are aren't a bad bike and you can usually get a good price on them as Kwaka's don't hold their value quite the same. They are water cooled and USD suspension which none of the other bikes I mentioned have.


What did you pay for your DRZ spock? I got my TTR with all the cashback offers around. Cost me $6,800. Didn't like the sticker on the DRZ that recommended 95+ octane, the suspension wasn't adjustable, the yamaha had a year longer warranty and I like blue better. Was a flip of the coin really.

Spock
16-08-2010, 12:35 PM
What did you pay for your DRZ spock? I got my TTR with all the cashback offers around. Cost me $6,800. Didn't like the sticker on the DRZ that recommended 95+ octane, the suspension wasn't adjustable, the yamaha had a year longer warranty and I like blue better. Was a flip of the coin really.
Prefer not say as I may want to sell it one day and I don't want to spoil my resale chances. ;)

Who told you the suspension isn't adjustable? It has adjusters for compression and rebound damping on front and rear plus adjustable spring tension on the rear spring.

I have used normal unleaded without any pinging - but with a large 10 litre tank it's usually possible to get to a station with pulp most times.

headbolts
16-08-2010, 04:13 PM
definately the klx250. did i mention i was selling a 2007 done 4000km, cheap, pm for info :lol:

dazza1968
19-08-2010, 02:14 PM
I'm looking at buying a dirt bike, but I'm having trouble working out what the good low maintenance bikes are that would be good first dirt bikes. I need the bike to be road registrable.

it will be used for stuffing around out bush, no mx track work.

budget is 4k or less.

so far from research low maintenance bikes:
xr 250
drz400e/klx400
klx 250?
ttr 250?
wr 250 r - not so sure about this one.

any ideas or suggestions from more experienced people?Hey any luck with what you have picked ?

dazza1968
19-08-2010, 02:31 PM
I know there has been a bit of dumping on people buying a crf 450 or yam wr450 as to being high maintenance , yes they are a bit more to maintain say 20 mins every 5 hrs and 1 hr every 10 hours ride time so its really not alot when you get down to it .

Bikes go great and for me the extra time is well worth the extra enjoyment when out riding .

I know you want low maintenance for the threads purpose and relly the heavy bills arent for week end riders like me but maybe for someone riding flat out racing etc the the bills would add up IMHO

Regards Dazza

dr00
19-08-2010, 02:52 PM
a crf450 to learn on?

thro
19-08-2010, 04:12 PM
those dt175 look tempting but i don't really want to have to worry about mixing fuel all the time.

Non-racing yamaha 2 strokes have been autolube since... well... fuck.... early 1980s?

My 94 model DT was autolube, just fill with fuel, put oil in oil tank every couple of times you fill up or when the light comes on.

Compared to a modern high performance 4 stroke dirty, its probably about as often as you need to fuck about dropping the oil and filter...

Maintenance wise they really are pretty hassle free - assuming the one you buy isn't already fucked :)

PowerStand
19-08-2010, 08:16 PM
DRZ400 best selling dirt bike in Aust, reason for that.

dazza1968
19-08-2010, 08:43 PM
a crf450 to learn on?crf250 also was in the mix of convojust not what i posted :eek::lol:B)

Lord_Muck
19-08-2010, 11:15 PM
I'm selling a DRZ400E with nice tall handlebar setup for your height, 2008. Bit higher than your specified pricerange but there's nothing more to spend on it except fuel !!!

PM if you're interested. Can double your fun with the Motard rims aswell.

Deicide
20-08-2010, 08:01 AM
definately the klx250. did i mention i was selling a 2007 done 4000km, cheap, pm for info :lol:

^^ This, don't call it the "couch" for no reason. I can't ride dirt to save myself (yet I went and got a CR250???) but i could happily cruise around on this all day!

reddog
20-08-2010, 02:13 PM
Thro: FYI DT's have been oil injected since the 70's. We normally blocked off the oil mixers on our old DT's and just ran premix. On my last DT200R '95 model that was also water cooled and had the YPVS power valve system. The DT is an ok bike, but heavy, the brakes are crap and the rake of the forks makes the front wash out easily.

These days my new DRZ400E does the job no worries. Plenty of torque and easy to ride. The only down side is the seat... it's hard. But if you plan on doing short runs of less than 150k's it shouldn't cause too many problems.


Non-racing yamaha 2 strokes have been autolube since... well... fuck.... early 1980s?

My 94 model DT was autolube, just fill with fuel, put oil in oil tank every couple of times you fill up or when the light comes on.

Compared to a modern high performance 4 stroke dirty, its probably about as often as you need to fuck about dropping the oil and filter...

Maintenance wise they really are pretty hassle free - assuming the one you buy isn't already fucked :)

thestewy09
24-08-2010, 03:35 PM
Hey any luck with what you have picked ?

Think I've got it sussed, just waiting around for a good deal and a bike with some crash protection mods ect already done.
probably be a months or so now anyway due to unforeseen expenses.

headbolts
25-08-2010, 01:02 AM
DRZ400 best selling dirt bike in Aust, reason for that.

that's why i have 2

thestewy09
27-08-2010, 12:18 PM
should be picking up a klx 300 this weekend :D.

thestewy09
28-08-2010, 05:12 PM
here she is:
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7536/img1168b.th.jpg (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/img1168b.jpg/)
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5749/img1169k.th.jpg (http://img820.imageshack.us/i/img1169k.jpg/)
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/9370/img1177mr.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/i/img1177mr.jpg/)

so much fun, only got a few hours in today. heading out tomorrow to see of i can brake myself :lol: