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Scott52
21-12-2012, 01:56 PM
This is was in the local paper. I don't know who this Gordon Davies company think they are!

I sent them an email ... do the same if you agree or disagree with their advertisement. About time for another Religion thread!

gordon@gdre.com.au

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo115/scotte55_photos/IMG_0463_zps32a8d171.jpg

Barfridge
21-12-2012, 02:02 PM
I don't agree with them, but support their right to put an ad in a newspaper. Free speech isn't free if it only applies to things you personally agree with.

RRossi
21-12-2012, 02:04 PM
Its worked and got a reaction from you.

Maybe its time you make your own decision?


RR

thro
21-12-2012, 02:05 PM
We don't have free speech protection in Australia.


That said, they're a bunch of muppets for potentially alienating the non-christian subset of their target demographic.

PBF
21-12-2012, 02:07 PM
I disagree with real estate agents putting so many ads in when I am not ready to buy.

Shall I complain about that too?

thegraeman
21-12-2012, 02:14 PM
Do you complain about Peter Ferrell's Beds Plus because they push Christianity by having the fish symbol on all their signage.

thro
21-12-2012, 02:17 PM
Do you complain about Peter Ferrell's Beds Plus because they push Christianity by having the fish symbol on all their signage.


I should do, given that we're now in the age of Aquarius (not piesces any more) due to the precession of the equinoxes that happened today.

Skut
21-12-2012, 02:17 PM
Well, that got them a few views. Advert Win.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhbxI5eVnM4

Crobbo
21-12-2012, 02:18 PM
Do you complain about Peter Ferrell's Beds Plus because they push Christianity by having the fish symbol on all their signage.

No I think it's clever because it subtle enough to appeal to Christians but at the same time they arn't forcing their religion on someone who doesn't want it.

thegraeman
21-12-2012, 02:21 PM
So the Gordon Davies ad is forcing religion on me?
Do you write complaint letters about Christian billboards?

mcmurray
21-12-2012, 02:22 PM
So Santa's a fairytale and Jesus isn't?

LMFAO

Mo-Fo
21-12-2012, 02:24 PM
Have you seen agent's fee's these days?

"THOU SHALT NOT STEAL" my arse.

Scott52
21-12-2012, 02:29 PM
My personal view is it's not sensible from a marketing point of view for Companies to placing adds like this. It's pretty clear what side of the fence they sit on and they risk alienating some of their non Christian potential clients.

A more generic advertisement about wishing for their clients to have a peaceful holiday break would be better. What about the Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and all the others out there?

Rooboy
21-12-2012, 02:32 PM
If you don't like it, don't read it.
As said before it's freespeech.
At least he remembers why Christmas is celebrated as it seems alot of people havre forgotten.

Santa was originally Green until Coca Cola got involved and had him changed to his present color.

"So Santa's a fairytale and Jesus isn't? LMFAO" mcmurray

Remember, if it wasn't for Jesus birthday you would be back at work next week.

Regarding the other religions, you'll find they that all of them honour the same God as the Christians.

And their religous beliefs aren't as commercialised as Christmas day is.

shmoo
21-12-2012, 02:33 PM
My personal view is it's not sensible from a marketing point of view for Companies to placing adds like this. It's pretty clear what side of the fence they sit on and they risk alienating some of their non Christian potential clients.

A more generic advertisement about wishing for their clients to have a peaceful holiday break would be better. What about the Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and all the others out there?
ohhhhh so your complaint is actually for the best interests of the company?

PBF
21-12-2012, 02:37 PM
My personal view is it's not sensible from a marketing point of view for Companies to placing adds like this. It's pretty clear what side of the fence they sit on and they risk alienating some of their non Christian potential clients.

A more generic advertisement about wishing for their clients to have a peaceful holiday break would be better. What about the Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and all the others out there?

That really isn't the basis of this thread though is it?

mcmurray
21-12-2012, 02:37 PM
If you don't like it, don't read it.
As said before it's freespeech.
At least he remembers why Christmas is celebrated as it seems alot of people havre forgotten.

Santa was originally Green until Coca Cola got involved and had him changed to his present color.

"So Santa's a fairytale and Jesus isn't? LMFAO" mcmurray

Remember, if it wasn't for Jesus birthday you would be back at work next week.

I am back at work next week mate.

mute
21-12-2012, 02:39 PM
I prefer to celebrate the yuletide in rememberance of my pagan brothers that were brainwashed when Christians took over our traditional end of year holiday.

Skut
21-12-2012, 02:41 PM
Remember, if it wasn't for Jesus birthday you would be back at work next week.

Where do these dates come from...?

shmoo
21-12-2012, 02:43 PM
Praise Jesus.

Scott52
21-12-2012, 03:03 PM
That really isn't the basis of this thread though is it?

I'm not sure. See where it goes. To me their ad is not offensive however it's pretty clear what their views are. They're suggesting we study the life of the late Jesus Christ and his teachings because we may be missing out on something.

But there are many religions. Which one if any are on the right path?

I'm still of the opinion Companies should be very much neutral with their religious views. What about the indvidual staff with GDRE? Some may be Athiest, Buddhits or who knows what.

Scott52
21-12-2012, 03:07 PM
ohhhhh so your complaint is actually for the best interests of the company?

No not entirely. But it should be one of their considerations when placing ads in the local paper if they have sensible corporate policies. To me their ad is not offensive however it's pretty clear what their views are. They're suggesting we study the life of the late Jesus Christ and his teachings because we may be missing out on something.

Scott52
21-12-2012, 03:12 PM
Do you complain about Peter Ferrell's Beds Plus because they push Christianity by having the fish symbol on all their signage.

Never heard of Peter Ferrell. But I would have a grizzle if they're pushing something other than beds.

Phildo
21-12-2012, 03:14 PM
I disagree with real estate agents putting so many ads in when I am not ready to buy.

Shall I complain about that too?

I disagree with their pricing - advertising stuff that I can't afford.

The real estate industry needs to have Black Friday 50%-off sales. :lol:

deano68er
21-12-2012, 03:17 PM
So Santa's a fairytale and Jesus isn't?

LMFAO

They can run a whole series, next stop
Kids so you think the Easter bunny is real, no Christ died for our sins you little maggots... Or

80745

Scott52
21-12-2012, 03:21 PM
Its worked and got a reaction from you.

Maybe its time you make your own decision?


RR

I'd already made a decision a long time ago. I never ever try to convince very religious people to take on my non religious viewpoint ... however the religious ones are always trying to convert me. Why is that? I have relative who's a "born again christian" and he just won't leave me alone yet I'm very respectful to him and say things to him like. "It's great you get so much from your Church and religious beliefs but I don't share those same views". I told him I'm happy with my beliefs and who I am and I don't feel the need to get involved with his Church. I've said similar things to him nearly every time we see each other but always he's pushing, pushing and pushing. Why do they do that?

deano68er
21-12-2012, 03:25 PM
I'm like you they can have it but agree they keep trying to save us, I have never managed to say I'm happy for them without having a wry smile on my face tho.

mute
21-12-2012, 04:06 PM
They can run a whole series, next stop
Kids so you think the Easter bunny is real, no Christ died for our sins you little maggots... Or



wish thor would come strike these fuckers down for stealing our traditions.

kenty
21-12-2012, 04:07 PM
PRAISE JEBUS.


If every trace of any single religion were wiped out and nothing were passed on, it would never be created exactly that way again. There might be some other nonsense in its place, but not that exact nonsense. If all of science were wiped out, it would still be true and someone would find a way to figure it all out again.

I think that still holds true

kenty
21-12-2012, 04:08 PM
BTW Jesus thanks for the 2 days off, You're a trooper!

Para045
21-12-2012, 04:16 PM
Do you complain about Peter Ferrell's Beds Plus because they push Christianity by having the fish symbol on all their signage.

Nah I complain about PF's because they are a thieving bunch of cunts with no morals except how to make a quick buck from personal experience ;)



I am back at work next week mate.

I'm back on Boxing Day, how the fuck am I supposed to watch the Test Match :o



I'd already made a decision a long time ago. I never ever try to convince very religious people to take on my non religious viewpoint ... however the religious ones are always trying to convert me. Why is that? I have relative who's a "born again Christian" and he just won't leave me alone yet I'm very respectful to him and say things to him like. "It's great you get so much from your Church and religious beliefs but I don't share those same views". I told him I'm happy with my beliefs and who I am and I don't feel the need to get involved with his Church. I've said similar things to him nearly every time we see each other but always he's pushing, pushing and pushing. Why do they do that?

Sounds like you are being way too subtle, maybe start wearing clothing with Satanic emblems plastered on it and see how that works? Or just come straight out and tell him to fuck right off with his imaginary friend and stop being a puppet for the church :rolleyes: It's quite funny to have some of the discussions with the dickheads that come to the front door, they're all quick to start espousing their views but get all butthurt when I start mentioning mine :huh: Word must have gotten around though as they don't seem to turn up very often these days :lol:

D'Artagnan
21-12-2012, 04:17 PM
At least he remembers why Christmas is celebrated as it seems alot of people havre forgotten....

Actually, like most Christian celebrations and rituals (esp. in the older churches a`la Roman Catholic), Christmas was 'borrowed' from existing pagan rituals and relabelled. i.e. it was a Church Marketing Exercise!


Remember, if it wasn't for Jesus birthday you would be back at work next week. As above, most historians will confirm that were there a Jesus, and I'm not disputing that, he wasn't born in December.


Regarding the other religions, you'll find they that all of them honour the same God as the Christians.

I think you're actually referring to the monotheistic Judaic/Christian relgions, of which Islam is also based and even though as a population percentage you may be right, to say ALL is wrong. Hindu's for example, do not have a monotheistic view.


And their religous beliefs aren't as commercialised as Christmas day is.
Thanks <insert make-believe deity > for that!

CitizenD
21-12-2012, 05:05 PM
If there was an ad in the paper saying "auto-erotic asphyxia is awesome" people would be up in arms about promoting such a potentially lethal way to get your rocks off.

Yet promote an institution who markets a mass delusion that encourages acceptance without any thought or criticism and suddenly anybody whom objects is stepping on the rights of institutions that are built on histories of subjugation and murder in the name of their faith. And the zombies that follow because they long to be a part of something larger than them, I understand that, join a cooking class and put away the imaginary friends.

Ordinarily I'd apologise if I had offended anybody afflicted with this social disease but over the last 18 months working along side several "devout" Christians I keep coming across the same inability to resist interpreting legislation in the same way a 2000 year old comic book to try and make it somehow plausible and relevant today and meet their ends.

You may all be wonderful people, but you're all cult members.

AZAZL
21-12-2012, 05:13 PM
What CitD said. Why should I be "tolerant" . They eat my tax and brainwash the young. Why should I tolerate that?

Antitheism Rocks.

Skut
21-12-2012, 05:20 PM
And if the property you buy through them turns out to be a bad investment?

It is is the implied "you can trust us cos.." that gets me. People need a deity and perceived afterlife to make them do the right thing?

shmoo
21-12-2012, 05:22 PM
Let's not make this out to be a bigger issue than it really is.

It's a private company. They can and should be allowed to do as they please.

It's a silly thing for them to do because it has the potential to alienate their customer base, but that's their call. There really is nothing more to it.

Manyak
21-12-2012, 05:30 PM
It's a silly thing for them to do because it has the potential to alienate their customer base, but that's their call.

Is it though? He said it was in his local paper.. What if they did some marketing research and discovered 90% of that local area were hard core Christians?

I'm Muslim so none of it really appeals to me, but I don't think I'd get so upset as to start a thread :P then again if you're reading the local paper you must be bored :lol:

Skut
21-12-2012, 05:33 PM
Let's not make this out to be a bigger issue than it really is.

It's a private company. They can and should be allowed to do as they please.

It's a silly thing for them to do because it has the potential to alienate their customer base, but that's their call. There really is nothing more to it.

Agreed, but the point is that by declaring their faith they are supposedly putting themselves above other businesses. This isn't even a kosher or halal situation.

I tend to avoid the ...

http://ezerwoman.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/christian-fish-symbol.jpg

...for those reasons.

deano68er
21-12-2012, 05:34 PM
Muslims never get upset

Scott52
21-12-2012, 05:37 PM
It's interesting that us non religious types have the holidays associated with the Christian religion. The way I justify it is that nearly all modern democratic societies have between 10 and 12 public holidays per year. Four of them are associated with Christianity. But all the other religions take those days as well plus the Jewish people take an extra day for the "Passover" I think.

So as far as I'm concerned I'm entitiled to 10 public holidays each year. I'd be fine if us non religious types had four other days off instead of the two Easter and two Christmas public holidays. However our consumer soceity couldn't handle that because the whole Christmas thing is the retail industries big deal each year.

Skut
21-12-2012, 05:40 PM
Is it though? He said it was in his local paper.. What if they did some marketing research and discovered 90% of that local area were hard core Christians?

I'm Muslim so none of it really appeals to me, but I don't think I'd get so upset as to start a thread :P then again if you're reading the local paper you must be bored :lol:


Could we save this for future reference: such as when someone trots out the intolerant Islam argument.

Thank you sir :)

Manyak
21-12-2012, 05:44 PM
Could we save this for future reference: such as when someone trots out the intolerant Islam argument.

Thank you sir :)

When have I ever got my back up about someone spouting their Christian beliefs? If someone is mistaken about Muslims/Islam I'd probably pipe up but I don't think I've ever gotten antsy at someone for preaching/discussing their beliefs..

I take it that's what you were alluding to?

filbert
21-12-2012, 05:49 PM
If the DSM was around back then Jesus would have been given a prescription

Scott52
21-12-2012, 05:49 PM
Is it though? He said it was in his local paper.. What if they did some marketing research and discovered 90% of that local area were hard core Christians?

I'm Muslim so none of it really appeals to me, but I don't think I'd get so upset as to start a thread :P then again if you're reading the local paper you must be bored :lol:

Yes I was a bit bored this afternoon so I picked up the local newspaper. The add was on the front page no less. I wasn't upset ... more annoyed. I thought here we go again another group pushing their Christianity views onto the masses. The ad is not offensive and it's subtle ... but it's clear what side of the fence they're on.

It's a valid point you raise about their marketing. What if 90% of their target area are born again christians? If that was the case then the ad is a clever marketing campaign and may bring in more clients. They operate in the "leafy" Western Suburbs like Nedlands, Dalkeith etc.

Skut
21-12-2012, 05:53 PM
When have I ever got my back up about someone spouting their Christian beliefs? If someone is mistaken about Muslims/Islam I'd probably pipe up but I don't think I've ever gotten antsy at someone for preaching/discussing their beliefs..

I take it that's what you were alluding to?

I was alluding to you being a tolerant person rather than the media-hyped stereotype of your faith :)

deano68er
21-12-2012, 05:54 PM
Except when he has to run in his riding boots then he gets intolerant ,)

Manyak
21-12-2012, 05:55 PM
I was alluding to you being a tolerant person rather than the media-hyped stereotype of your faith :)

Aaahh.. phew

Lucky I didn't go mental and swear vengeance on you :P

Manyak
21-12-2012, 05:57 PM
Except when he has to run in his riding boots then he gets intolerant ,)

:lol:

I can (barely) tolerate the running . It's the missing out on seeing someone's new race bike on it's side I disagreed with! lol

CitizenD
21-12-2012, 05:58 PM
If the DSM was around back then Jesus would have been given a prescription

If Liquor & Gaming were around I'm pretty sure they'd have something to say about that water to wine stunt too.

Not to mention Fisheries.

"Well Mr Christ, can you explain how you've fed five thousand people when your bag limit is 2?"

'I'm magical.'

Skut
21-12-2012, 06:10 PM
Aaahh.. phew

Lucky I didn't go mental and swear vengeance on you :P

Fatwa me baby ;)

Old frt
21-12-2012, 06:11 PM
As an atheist I don't want someone else's religious views pushed down my throat

Their views don't concern me, each to his own.

It's the other thing some of their leaders have been known to push down young throats that makes me arc up.

thro
21-12-2012, 06:17 PM
If you don't like it, don't read it.
As said before it's freespeech..

Whilst i agree with your sentiment, i suspect people would all be up in arms if i posted an ad for my IT consulting company, promoting the church of satan (http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/index.html).

If the paper would even run it.


If you think we truly have free speech here, i think you're being a little naive.

Skut
21-12-2012, 06:22 PM
Their views don't concern me, each to his own.

It's the other thing some of their leaders have been known to push down young throats that makes me arc up.

I have mentioned this before, but I will never forget preparing to photograph a 1st Communion and the Catechist speaking to the 9 year old children...

"And you will have Jesus coming into your mouth, and moving down into your stomach"
I had to leave the room.

scotch
21-12-2012, 06:23 PM
Do people still believe in god and Jesus? That's fucked.

I thought everyone knew it was a myth like Santa, the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny, a woman that doesn't complain, etc.

CitizenD
21-12-2012, 06:28 PM
The next person to cite "free speech" can fuck off to the USA, which actually has it.

There is no such thing in Australia. The closest thing we have are laws that equate to freedom from speech.

It's time the world was free from this garbage.

keys
21-12-2012, 06:31 PM
I like the fact he has come out , Now i know to stay well away from Gordon Davies real estate .

thro
21-12-2012, 06:33 PM
The next person to cite "free speech" can fuck off to the USA, which actually has had it.


With all the revisions to their constitution in recent years, they don't even really have it any more either.

Given that they can be detained without charge, without access to a lawyer, etc - indefinitely. All they need to do is declare you as a suspected terrorist. Or possibly having links to terrorism. Or inciting the wrong attitude in the public.


Sure, you might be able to say things, but you won't be heard in Guantanamo Bay.

Old frt
21-12-2012, 06:36 PM
I like the fact he has come out , Now i know to stay well away from Gordon Davies real estate .

Yeah, I'm undecided which is the lesser of two evils,

Real Estate agents or christians but he is both.

Nasty piece of work.

Magilla
21-12-2012, 06:45 PM
It seems to me that you are using the typical political correctness argument.

"It doesn't offend MEEEEE, but it might offend others."

This bullcrap is everything that is wrong with the way people think. Until it offends YOU, I invite you to kindly pull your head in.

If you don't like what they advertised, take your money elsewhere. All you are trying to do is whip up an emotional frenzy over nothing, to drive anti-religious sentiment.

Not helpful, not useful, not intelligent.

Stupid thread is stupid.

Old frt
21-12-2012, 06:54 PM
Blessed are the pisstakers.

Amen

JEM
21-12-2012, 07:04 PM
It seems to me that you are using the typical political correctness argument.

"It doesn't offend MEEEEE, but it might offend others."

This bullcrap is everything that is wrong with the way people think. Until it offends YOU, I invite you to kindly pull your head in.

If you don't like what they advertised, take your money elsewhere. All you are trying to do is whip up an emotional frenzy over nothing, to drive anti-religious sentiment.

Not helpful, not useful, not intelligent.

Stupid thread is stupid.

Good on you Magilla. And even if the ad did offend them there is no one making them spend their money with that business. If he believes in God an wants to put it in his ads, then that is his choice.

His choice is to believe in God, your choice is not to believe in God. If you choose to place an ad for your business explaining that Christmas is a ancient pagan holiday that the Christians took over and that at this time of the year the shepherds watching flocks at night would not occur because of the weather, you are free to do so.

Personally I am an atheist, and while I do not want others pushing their belief down my throat, for me to push my belief would be just as wrong. Do what I do when I see these sorts if ads and ignore them.

SomeBloke
21-12-2012, 07:04 PM
Isn't Catholic the national religion? Do you object to all religious holidays? Marketing is just marketing, if it stays in your mind they did their job.

thro
21-12-2012, 07:04 PM
relevant image is relevant

80762


even better


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02dXAkxbyQg


edit:
and christianity stole all their holidays from the pagans anyway....

filbert
21-12-2012, 07:04 PM
The next person to cite "free speech" can fuck off to the USA, which actually has it.

There is no such thing in Australia. The closest thing we have are laws that equate to freedom from speech.

It's time the world was free from this garbage.

The US doesn't have free speech merely the illusion of it, have you seen some of the recent arrests over there for having anarchist views or spreading dissent against the government.

filbert
21-12-2012, 07:10 PM
With all the revisions to their constitution in recent years, they don't even really have it any more either.

Given that they can be detained without charge, without access to a lawyer, etc - indefinitely. All they need to do is declare you as a suspected terrorist. Or possibly having links to terrorism. Or inciting the wrong attitude in the public.


Sure, you might be able to say things, but you won't be heard in Guantanamo Bay.

You're free to speak but you have the right to remain silent until your court hearing where silence will be interpreted as an admission of guilt for not mounting adequate defence against charges raised.....

CitizenD
21-12-2012, 07:24 PM
Not helpful, not useful, not intelligent.

Much like the process of cognitive conditioning to avoid critical thinking and suspend logic that gets called, finding faith.

(Magilla the following is not directed at you.)

See good Irish Catholics are easy to deal with because they're basically Muslims with more guilt, both you can disagree with and go to war. Being a rational man, I will simply kill them mid prayer. You have to figure if you're being murdered whilst on the phone to your omnipotent dad, that's probably the most likely time he's going to intervene.

But when you've got the ultra passive, good samaritan, humble, meek christian who has that dreamy eyed look on their face like they're either tuned into God-fm in their head or just dropped a handful of valium - you know, the really truly nice people who carry bibles in their back pocket whilst feeding the homeless and shit - well they're the cunts I hate the most.

They don't have the decency to do naked aggression like the rest of us, they specialise in passive aggression - and I for one would have shot Gandhi in his child molesting head inside of the first three minutes of that protest - resisting any form of practical compromise or acceptance of any idea because of an unwillingness to leave the comfort of a predefined world that they are happy to explain as "God's will" - which I imagine probably wouldn't get in the Good Answers Guide for matriculation exams.

They're like social HIV, they spread through the community not triggering the usual defenses against an attack on the health of the organism, picking off people who are impressionable, lost, looking to belong to something or looking for answers - which can all be explained away with non-thinking *derp*God's plan*derp*.

Most of you now accept the world is not flat. Don't you think it's a bit weird that at some point from the point that knowledge became accepted fact back to how ever many thousands of years ago it was supposed to be that the Earth was created, don't you just wonder why while he was writing his diary and listing all of his creations and some of the ingredients, he didn't think to mention what fucking shape it was?

THEY'RE STORIES DESIGNED TO TEACH LESSONS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY. LIKE FAIRY TALES AND BEDTIME STORIES. CUNTS LIKE YOU HAD TO HAVE INCEPTION EXPLAINED TO THEM OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

AZAZL
21-12-2012, 07:24 PM
Can someone tell me why the word "believe" needs to exist. You either know, or don't know.

CitizenD
21-12-2012, 07:28 PM
Can someone tell me why the word "believe" needs to exist. You either know, or don't know.

'I don't believe you' and 'I don't know you' have very different meanings. The former would be hard to write without the existence of the word 'believe'.

Old frt
21-12-2012, 07:33 PM
Fuk'n unbelievable, four pages and we're almost still on topic.

Lift your game guys, it is Friday after all.

Rooboy
21-12-2012, 07:53 PM
Fuk'n unbelievable, four pages and we're almost still on topic.

Lift your game guys, it is Friday after all.

Ha Ha...

Wait 'til the "Breast Feeding in Public" thread pops up again.

Marty MOOSE
21-12-2012, 08:21 PM
Ha Ha...

Wait 'til the "Breast Feeding in Public" thread pops up again.

I saw a pelican sitting on a light tonight! How much warmer to you think it makes them ?? Would their poop corrode the light housing and does a build up of poop effect heat transfer, Does it get too hot?

MM

Desmo
21-12-2012, 08:30 PM
Isn't Catholic the national religion? Do you object to all religious holidays?

Not read the rest of the thread, but you do realise that this celebration around this time of year goes a long way back past the birth if Jesus titty fucking Christ, yeah?

CitizenD
21-12-2012, 08:33 PM
There is a parallel to be made between Christmas and the rebranding of another product after a hostile takeover.

Old frt
21-12-2012, 08:39 PM
There is a parallel to be made between Christmas and the rebranding of another product after a hostile takeover.

RIP Swan Brewery.:(

SomeBloke
21-12-2012, 08:48 PM
Not read the rest of the thread, but you do realise that this celebration around this time of year goes a long way back past the birth if Jesus titty fucking Christ, yeah?

Yeah, just pointing out that our holidays coincide quite well with the calendar of the national religion.

Eugene
21-12-2012, 08:51 PM
That Ad is just wrong.

filbert
21-12-2012, 08:51 PM
Isn't Catholic the national religion? Do you object to all religious holidays? Marketing is just marketing, if it stays in your mind they did their job.


Yeah, just pointing out that our holidays coincide quite well with the calendar of the national religion.

National religion? If we had one, why would it be Catholic?

CitizenD
21-12-2012, 08:53 PM
Yeah, just pointing out that our holidays coincide quite well with the calendar of the national religion.

A celebration in the northern hemisphere that was more to do with agriculture than sandal shod zombie carpenters.

Most of the pagan festivals around this time got incorporated into the christian portfolio.

Scott52
21-12-2012, 09:06 PM
It seems to me that you are using the typical political correctness argument.

"It doesn't offend MEEEEE, but it might offend others."

This bullcrap is everything that is wrong with the way people think. Until it offends YOU, I invite you to kindly pull your head in.

If you don't like what they advertised, take your money elsewhere. All you are trying to do is whip up an emotional frenzy over nothing, to drive anti-religious sentiment.

Not helpful, not useful, not intelligent.

Stupid thread is stupid.

I think your ire is directed at me because I started the thread. I don't find the ad written in an offensive way but I did say I found it annoying because it's another religious person/s pushing their views onto the rest of us mere mortals. So I'm not pulling my head in. They were not advertising any of the products they sell they were strongly suggesting we go off and read about the life and teachings of Jesus Christ because we may be missing out on something. What's that got to do with the houses they sell on behalf of their clients?

Forgive me Magilla for I have sinned! But there's nothing wrong with a debate about this particular situation because it's rather unusual. I've never seen an ad from a real estate agent or any other company like this before. So that's why I started the thread ... It's helpful and intelligent finding out the myriad of views posted by the learned folk on PSB. I enjoy these discussions as do many others. It's a bit rich suggesting it's trying to whip up an emotional frenzy ...

We just came here for an argument:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkzjBfTDH20

Old frt
21-12-2012, 09:10 PM
National religion? If we had one, why would it be Catholic?

Exactly, last I heard we still have a distant monarch and like it or not, she aint no left footer.

And how in the name of Allah can you have a national religion in a multi cultural society which paradoxically is almost devoid of culture?

CitizenD
21-12-2012, 09:12 PM
And how in the name of Allah can you have a national religion in a multi cultural society which paradoxically is almost devoid of culture?

That should be the brainteaser in tomorrow's West.

Sventek
21-12-2012, 09:15 PM
And how in the name of Allah can you have a national religion in a multi cultural society which paradoxically is almost devoid of culture?

Because all the cool countries have one.

Old frt
21-12-2012, 09:22 PM
Because all the cool countries have one.

Bet the Eskimos freezing their bollocks off day in day out in the coolest country on earth have serious doubts.

Skut
21-12-2012, 09:56 PM
Much like the process of cognitive conditioning to avoid critical thinking and suspend logic that gets called, finding faith.

(Magilla the following is not directed at you.)

See good Irish Catholics are easy to deal with because they're basically Muslims with more guilt, both you can disagree with and go to war. Being a rational man, I will simply kill them mid prayer. You have to figure if you're being murdered whilst on the phone to your omnipotent dad, that's probably the most likely time he's going to intervene.

But when you've got the ultra passive, good samaritan, humble, meek christian who has that dreamy eyed look on their face like they're either tuned into God-fm in their head or just dropped a handful of valium - you know, the really truly nice people who carry bibles in their back pocket whilst feeding the homeless and shit - well they're the cunts I hate the most.

They don't have the decency to do naked aggression like the rest of us, they specialise in passive aggression - and I for one would have shot Gandhi in his child molesting head inside of the first three minutes of that protest - resisting any form of practical compromise or acceptance of any idea because of an unwillingness to leave the comfort of a predefined world that they are happy to explain as "God's will" - which I imagine probably wouldn't get in the Good Answers Guide for matriculation exams.

They're like social HIV, they spread through the community not triggering the usual defenses against an attack on the health of the organism, picking off people who are impressionable, lost, looking to belong to something or looking for answers - which can all be explained away with non-thinking *derp*God's plan*derp*.

Most of you now accept the world is not flat. Don't you think it's a bit weird that at some point from the point that knowledge became accepted fact back to how ever many thousands of years ago it was supposed to be that the Earth was created, don't you just wonder why while he was writing his diary and listing all of his creations and some of the ingredients, he didn't think to mention what fucking shape it was?

THEY'RE STORIES DESIGNED TO TEACH LESSONS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY. LIKE FAIRY TALES AND BEDTIME STORIES. CUNTS LIKE YOU HAD TO HAVE INCEPTION EXPLAINED TO THEM OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Fess up. You ARE Henry Rollins, right?


edit: Or could I not help but to read that with his voice?

Glenn 74
21-12-2012, 09:56 PM
Not really too concerned with religion in any way so not too bothered that they chose to push a bit in their add, but did anyone else think the "in your best interests" part sounded like a bit of a threat? It just had a ring of "start believing or you will go to hell" about it. Just sayin...

Magilla
21-12-2012, 10:03 PM
I think your ire is directed at me because I started the thread. I don't find the ad written in an offensive way but I did say I found it annoying because it's another religious person/s pushing their views onto the rest of us mere mortals. So I'm not pulling my head in. They were not advertising any of the products they sell they were strongly suggesting we go off and read about the life and teachings of Jesus Christ because we may be missing out on something.
Who cares?


What's that got to do with the houses they sell on behalf of their clients?
Nothing. So what? A small business, is, by nature, an extension of the owner. If the owner believes it, the business believes it. The owner may then choose to advertise or not advertise it, as they will. It's their money, after all.


But there's nothing wrong with a debate about this particular situation because it's rather unusual. I've never seen an ad from a real estate agent or any other company like this before.
Then that shows how much notice you take of the world around you. I've seen that kind of thing before.

Think about how many people (religious and not) don't like seeing porn ads in magazines? I'm sure catholics love condom advertising. Hindus, I'm sure, would be happy to eat cow now. Jews looking to put a bit of pork on their fork? Vegitarians achin' for bacon? People who were abused by alcoholic parents looking at ordering five Cougars, thanks!

Maybe all of these people are geniuses - I don't know. They all seem to have come up with a remarkable solution to the crises you are facing.

Don't like it? Turn the page.

Scott52
21-12-2012, 10:06 PM
Yes I did. It has a subtle pressure to get onboard because it's in your best interest. Implies something's going to happen if you don't.

The whole ad is very unusal and worthy of discussion on this forum as I've not seen this before by a company.

shtinky
21-12-2012, 10:09 PM
what, santa is a myth

Magilla
21-12-2012, 10:11 PM
The ad is exactly correct. If what is in the Bible is true, it is in your best interest to get on board.

Again, your response is wildly unmeasured, poorly thought out, and the very nature of a knee-jerk reaction, merely trying to whip up a storm of "ZOMG LOOK WAT THERE PUSHING ON ME".

Incidentally, I have seen companies advertise in this manner before.

Scott52
21-12-2012, 10:15 PM
Who cares?


Nothing. So what? A small business, is, by nature, an extension of the owner. If the owner believes it, the business believes it. The owner may then choose to advertise or not advertise it, as they will. It's their money, after all.


Then that shows how much notice you take of the world around you. I've seen that kind of thing before.

Think about how many people (religious and not) don't like seeing porn ads in magazines? I'm sure catholics love condom advertising. Hindus, I'm sure, would be happy to eat cow now. Jews looking to put a bit of pork on their fork? Vegitarians achin' for bacon? People who were abused by alcoholic parents looking at ordering five Cougars, thanks!

Maybe all of these people are geniuses - I don't know. They all seem to have come up with a remarkable solution to the crises you are facing.

Don't like it? Turn the page.

You tone is getting a little aggressive and offensive and I'm not sure why.

i'm not sure what you mean by the crises I'm facing. I would complain about porn ads in my local paper and adds for condoms as well. The rest I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Don't assume how much notice I take of the world around because you don't know. I haven't seen an ad like this in my local paper before or the West or the Nationals. Maybe I just haven't noticed them before.

This particular ad was on the front page and just jumped out at you.

Desmo
21-12-2012, 10:21 PM
Bet the Eskimos freezing their bollocks off day in day out in the coolest country on earth have serious doubts.

What do you call an Eskimo in a short skirt?
A chatterbox.

Desmo
21-12-2012, 10:23 PM
Yes I did. It has a subtle pressure to get onboard because it's in your best interest. Implies something's going to happen if you don't.

The whole ad is very unusal and worthy of discussion on this forum as I've not seen this before by a company.

IT must be a mis print, surely?

D'Artagnan
21-12-2012, 10:24 PM
Hitler....there I said it. Godwin's law is fulfilled. Time to move on.

<partingshot> He has the right to say whatever he chooses...ignore him. That being said, I'll validate 'Christmas' when the Christian admit to it's falsehoods</partingshot>

CitizenD
21-12-2012, 10:28 PM
We don't allow cigarettes to be advertised and they only might kill you, but we do allow something that requires shutting off the analytical areas of your mind, which is working against the mechanism that brought us to the top of the food chain on this planet.

I acknowledge any evolutionist type arguments are probably wasted on creationists at the end of the day, but if right(ish) thinking people can see it, maybe they won't feel so bad about saying it's time to put away this nonsense and catch up to the rest of the class.

Scott52
21-12-2012, 10:43 PM
What do you call an Eskimo in a short skirt?
A chatterbox.



I wonder if that expression "a cu*t full of cold water" also came from the Eskimos?

Scott52
21-12-2012, 11:01 PM
I buy tools from this Perth based online tool company reasonably often. The fellow running this business is very religious but he doesn't put it front and centre on his website nor have I ever seen any separate ads for his beliefs in any publication Power Tools, Cordless Tools, Quality Australian tools, Toolkits | Transquip Direct (http://www.transquip.com.au/)

If you look at the links on the left hand side at the bottom there's a link called "A Quiet Place". That takes you to a few prayers that mean something to him.

When your tools arrive at the door there are never any religious suggestions, pamphlets, leaflets or anything. I'd been using his website for some time before I new he was very religious. If he put an ad in the paper George Davies style I would be concerned.

shmoo
21-12-2012, 11:09 PM
Remember when every time you called up to put an advertisement in the Quokka the phone girl said "God bless you"?

Ivakways thought it was odd in a business sense in this community but it certainly didn't stop me using their services.

CitizenD
21-12-2012, 11:14 PM
Yeah. And she said it in a slightly more creepy tone than the rest of the recording.

Old frt
21-12-2012, 11:30 PM
what, santa is a myth

Yeth, Thanta ith a tranththexual mythogonitht thexual deviant.

"Thit on my knee."

Fk'n rock thpider.

Aufitt
22-12-2012, 12:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TynFaEQj_Ys

AZAZL
22-12-2012, 12:47 AM
National religion? If we had one, why would it be Catholic?

Pisduptesticosticles.

Apologies to KBW

SomeBloke
22-12-2012, 05:14 PM
Is this just an atheist rant thread?

Religion is a belief and they are like cocks, everyone has one, we just don't want them forced down our throats.

did that ad really hurt your feeling that much?

SomeBloke
22-12-2012, 05:17 PM
Is this just an atheist rant thread?

Religion is a belief and they are like cocks, everyone has one, we just don't want them forced down our throats.

did that ad really hurt your feeling that much?

Desmo
22-12-2012, 05:18 PM
Perhaps look at the bigger picture and realise that some people are more bemused that someone would actually post that in a paper.
I believe the term is "professional suicide".

CitizenD
22-12-2012, 05:52 PM
Perhaps look at the bigger picture and realise that some people are more bemused that someone would actually post that in a paper.
I believe the term is "professional suicide".

I however, just like to take the opportunity when it arises to point out that we seem to be very selective about what we call delusional behaviour and mental illness.

Sventek
22-12-2012, 05:54 PM
I however, just like to take the opportunity when it arises to point out that we seem to be very selective about what we call delusional behaviour and mental illness.

Yep. Tragic, but true.

agrid
22-12-2012, 06:12 PM
I'm inclined to email him and answer his question; "Is it a fairy tale that God sent his son to earth in human form to reveal his purpose and love for all of us? "

agrid
22-12-2012, 06:15 PM
Remember when every time you called up to put an advertisement in the Quokka the phone girl said "God bless you"?

Ivakways thought it was odd in a business sense in this community but it certainly didn't stop me using their services.

God never warned them about Gumtree.

CitizenD
22-12-2012, 06:16 PM
I'm inclined to email him and answer his question; "Is it a fairy tale that God sent his son to earth in human form to reveal his purpose and love for all of us? "

I'd be more inclined to sneak into the pool area of one of his listings and install a clear perspex runway an inch under the water. Then call him to book a viewing.



See how Christian he is with that commission he thinks he's going to get from the Messiah.

Speed Dealer
23-12-2012, 04:56 AM
And on this day the Lord commanded thee let not a single %#*& be giveth...

And it was so.

whodini
23-12-2012, 08:24 AM
It's interesting now, that in society people believe that there are no 'absolute truths', no right or wrong, it's all perception, and what it is to me...

But when I think about it more, and really sit down and talk to people, we all decide that there really is right and wrong, social injustice, 'absolute truths'...

Let me put it this way...
“All truth is relative, it just depends on what you believe.” Or, “There isn't a way to know for sure who God is or what’s really true.” But that means you believe your own statement; that there’s no way to know what’s really true. You’re saying that that statement is true. You’re killing yourself... Defying your own logic... If what’s true for you is true for you and what’s true for me is true for me, what if my truth says your’s is a lie? Is it still true?

So that then rules out a few 'religions', as to what can be true.. And thinking about it further, the only logical conclusion is a 'religion' with an exclusive monotheistic God....

I also find it interesting that you feel the need to defend yourself against the ad..? Is there something condemning about the ad?

In the two exclusive monotheistic 'religions' I can think of there is a state of being wrong and either having to work back to balance the judgement scales in your favour while following the god or receive a free gift of being pardoned, trying not to do bad, asking forgiveness and following the god...


Hrmm food for thought..

Another interesting point, if we did take up the ad poster's challenge and did read the bible, what would the harm in that be... Especially as you are all sure of its invalidity..?

whodini
23-12-2012, 08:27 AM
Tapatalk crashed re-post deleted.

shan
23-12-2012, 08:35 AM
They can run a whole series, next stop
Kids so you think the Easter bunny is real, no Christ died for our sins you little maggots... Or

80745
That nailed it

crowtribe
23-12-2012, 08:59 AM
Because they're Christian you're going to chuck a hissy fit and not do business with them? Sounds like YOU'RE the fundamentalists.

Get something proper to whinge about.

shmoo
23-12-2012, 09:41 AM
By the way, this is nothing new. Gordon Davies has been doing this sort of thing for years. His business is pretty localised in the Ckaremont/Nedlands area so if you've not spent much time there then you'll perhaps not realise it.

So I guess his business has been doing fine all these years even though he's never hidden his religious beliefs, so he knows what he's doing.

BJMac
23-12-2012, 09:49 AM
Cool thread - much entertainment :)

I never cease to be amused at the vigour with which some atheists attack a view which, by definition they don't care about themselves. See I thought it was the God-botherers that are supposed to be the rigid zealots. But I'm yet to come across a <Christian/Jew/Muslim/anyone else with a faith-based worldview> who calls me all sorts of nasty names or tells me I'm mentally ill for not agreeing with their particular view. Nope, ignorant cock-ethism, in my experience, seems to be reserved for those who say they don't care. Of course you're going to get some exceptions on all sides, but the weight of "agree with by beliefs or you're a dick" seems to be on the side it shouldn't.

Wonder why?

Bukefal
23-12-2012, 09:53 AM
...I never cease to be amused at the vigour with which some atheists attack a view which, by definition they don't care about themselves...

that's not the definition of "atheist". many atheists are concerned very much about the issue of religion.


But I'm yet to come across a <Christian/Jew/Muslim/anyone else with a faith-based worldview> who calls me all sorts of nasty names or tells me I'm mentally ill for not agreeing with their particular view.

maybe you haven't, but there are many religious people who think non-believers are immoral and support legislation, discrimination, torture, murder and genocide in the name of religion. seems like being called 'mentally ill' isn't so bad in comparison.

belief in god is no different to believing in anything else without evidence. those who hold an irrational believe in god are just that - irrational. "mentally ill" can be an appropriate label here - not necessarily as an offensive term, but as one that would examine how otherwise-reasonable people would believe in such a thing.

Desmo
23-12-2012, 10:05 AM
Because they're Christian you're going to chuck a hissy fit and not do business with them? Sounds like YOU'RE the fundamentalists.

Get something proper to whinge about.

Why would I be a fundamentalist?
I find that my rational, science and provable facts brain does fine without any fundamentalism whatsoever.
If I choose not to trust a clearly misguided and deeply delusional person, how am I the bigot?

agrid
23-12-2012, 10:12 AM
^agree.

I spent the first half of my life listening to delusional religious people dribble on about their imaginary God, many in the hope of converting me.

I decided to spend the second half inflicting my lack of belief on religious people by being a "practising atheist".

Bukefal
23-12-2012, 10:14 AM
Because they're Christian you're going to chuck a hissy fit and not do business with them? Sounds like YOU'RE the fundamentalists.


yes. similarly, i don't support charities that actively promote a religion because those charities are unethical. rejecting something that is unethical is hardly 'fundamentalist'.



Get something proper to whinge about.
you mean things like fender eliminators and tinted visors?

CitizenD
23-12-2012, 10:29 AM
'Wah, why do you have to always whine about religion?'

Why do you have to advertise it and try and slip it in to everyday life and recruit non-believers? The Almighty tell you he needs your help did he?

thro
23-12-2012, 11:06 AM
I got to about page 3 of the bible before counting too many self contradictions to bother further...

CitizenD
23-12-2012, 11:08 AM
I got to about page 3 of the bible before counting too many self contradictions to bother further...

Never been a big fan of sci-fi books either.

D'Artagnan
23-12-2012, 11:13 AM
Oh where to start...


So that then rules out a few 'religions'

Why? Because some religions have a different set of 'guidelines' making them invalid to you? If ones beliefs are valid for them then you can't assert their invalidity. i.e. they same process can invalidate your belief system.



the only logical conclusion is a 'religion' with an exclusive monotheistic God....

There's nothing logical about it except to agree that in a world of 'unknowns' people grasp at any 'theory' that fits in their mind. Apart from that even God agrees there are more God's (commandment 3.). “You shall have no other gods before me." implies there are others but I'm more important. Seems like the basis of many mass murdering crusade...


Is there something condemning about the ad?

Yes. The ad, like many Christians, implies that 'Christmas' is 'owned' or at least exists because of Jesus' birth and therefore they have some moral right or obligation to demand everyone having a holiday in it's name must observe the reasons for it. But this ignores the history of the celebration. It's true to say the popularity of the season has increased by the religion but that doesn't bestow ownership. (see Why December 25? | Christian History (http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/news/2000/dec08.html) for a good breakdown)


In the two exclusive monotheistic 'religions' I can think of

Really? Atenism, Bahá'í Faith, Christianity, Hinduism, deism, Islam, Ravidassia, Judaism, Sabianism, Tenrikyo, Cao Dai, Eckankar, Sikhism and Zoroastrianism. (from Monotheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism))... BTW: much respect to the Bahá'í who have as a core position never to asl or convince anyone to their views on religion, rather they will always wait for an invitation. I've had many great dinners with these fine folk, discussing their views.



Another interesting point, if we did take up the ad poster's challenge and did read the bible, what would the harm in that be... Especially as you are all sure of its invalidity..?

Read it a few times. Full of hypocrisy, murder, incest, rape, war's etc...a so so group of novels....that's all.

D'Artagnan
23-12-2012, 11:14 AM
Never been a big fan of sci-fi books either.

Ahh see, it's a group of fictional stories. That's the mistake you made :p

thro
23-12-2012, 11:26 AM
Perhaps look at the bigger picture and realise that some people are more bemused that someone would actually post that in a paper.
I believe the term is "professional suicide".

This.

If you run a business, judging your potential customers and telling them they're wrong in their beliefs (before they even step through your front door) is just professionally suicidal.


If you as the business owner believe in whatever, that's fine.


But if you're going to try and tell your customers they're wrong (without it being brought up in discussion).... it's a pretty stupid move.



“All truth is relative, it just depends on what you believe.” Or, “There isn't a way to know for sure who God is or what’s really true.” But that means you believe your own statement; that there’s no way to know what’s really true. You’re saying that that statement is true. You’re killing yourself... Defying your own logic... If what’s true for you is true for you and what’s true for me is true for me, what if my truth says your’s is a lie? Is it still true?


Empirical evidence. Science has it. Religion does not, and has a history of revising their viewpoint to fit social norms - after denying truth and persecuting scientists and philosphers for decades.

Science revises its viewpoint to best fit the evidence. There is a difference.

If religion is to be followed to the letter, then go read the old testament.



So that then rules out a few 'religions', as to what can be true.. And thinking about it further, the only logical conclusion is a 'religion' with an exclusive monotheistic God....


Leap much?



I also find it interesting that you feel the need to defend yourself against the ad..? Is there something condemning about the ad?

In the two exclusive monotheistic 'religions' I can think of there is a state of being wrong and either having to work back to balance the judgement scales in your favour while following the god or receive a free gift of being pardoned, trying not to do bad, asking forgiveness and following the god...

Hrmm food for thought..

Another interesting point, if we did take up the ad poster's challenge and did read the bible, what would the harm in that be... Especially as you are all sure of its invalidity..?

Defense? Pointing out a muppet being a muppet and harming his business.

As to needing to be told right from wrong by the church.... go read the old testament. Or even the cliffnotes.

And as to reading the bible, i already covered that. The book is toxic and should be kept away from children.

It is a relic from times past when the population could not read or write and needed fairy tales with morals they could remember to help them lead their life according to society's leadership.

It's nothing to do with deities at all.

CitizenD
23-12-2012, 11:29 AM
Ahh see, it's a group of fictional stories. That's the mistake you made :p

I was thrown out of scripture class when I was 7 for referring to them as 'pulp-stories' instead of 'books'.

Not very tolerant if you ask me.

GreenMeanie
23-12-2012, 11:30 AM
It's a bad business move. It is alienating the business from the growing Muslim population.

CitizenD
23-12-2012, 11:31 AM
You couldn't see Spotlight or Rug-a-million doing that, could you?

Para045
23-12-2012, 11:39 AM
Their views don't concern me, each to his own.

It's the other thing some of their leaders have been known to push down young throats that makes me arc up.

Ah you're an ex Christian Brothers student eh ;) :lol:



It seems to me that you are using the typical political correctness argument.

"It doesn't offend MEEEEE, but it might offend others."

This bullcrap is everything that is wrong with the way people think. Until it offends YOU, I invite you to kindly pull your head in.

If you don't like what they advertised, take your money elsewhere. All you are trying to do is whip up an emotional frenzy over nothing, to drive anti-religious sentiment.

Not helpful, not useful, not intelligent.

Stupid thread is stupid.

Uh Oh the Christians are revolting :rolleyes: :lol:



Yeah, just pointing out that our holidays coincide quite well with the calendar of the national religion.

Yeah funny that ;)



The ad is exactly correct. If what is in the Bible is true, it is in your best interest to get on board.

But as it's been proven that the majority is blatantly untrue why would you bother? :confused:



Religion is a belief and they are like cocks, everyone has one,

That is blatantly sexist, most women don't have cocks just cunts :P :lol:



Read it a few times. Full of hypocrisy, murder, incest, rape, war's etc...a so so group of novels....that's all.

It's a bit like a 2000 year old Fifty Shades of Grey :rolleyes: :lol:

Para045
23-12-2012, 11:44 AM
I was thrown out of scripture class when I was 7 for referring to them as 'pulp-stories' instead of 'books'.

Not very tolerant if you ask me.

Ha Ha I had similar when they used to have those classes when I was that age, got sent out a few times for questioning their imaginary friend along with the lack of belief in Santa and the Easter Bunny :lol: They eventually gave up trying to brainwash me and I didn't have to go again :D

Desmo
23-12-2012, 11:47 AM
That is blatantly sexist, most women don't have cocks just cunts :P :lol:




It's a bit like a 2000 year old Fifty Shades of Grey :rolleyes: :lol:

Just out of curiousity, did you actually find these two comments amusing, at all? Or was it more just an attempt to waste electrons?
Because honestly we could have gone our entire lives without reading either of these comments and been better off for it.

D'Artagnan
23-12-2012, 11:49 AM
It was somewhat amusing Desmo....just like the ad. :huh:

CitizenD
23-12-2012, 12:13 PM
Ha Ha I had similar when they used to have those classes when I was that age, got sent out a few times for questioning their imaginary friend along with the lack of belief in Santa and the Easter Bunny :lol: They eventually gave up trying to brainwash me and I didn't have to go again :D

Sounds familiar ;) . I don't recall there being any agenda or forethought for war in my head, as I was 7 years old and just trying to work out how the world worked. I asked questions as they encouraged us to do but I guess I asked too many on the back of the things they told me seemed to be in direct contradiction to something like "there is no such thing as the boogieman" yet we have the Devil? The Santa thing we've all been through. So I just remember trying to reconcile which supernatural entities were real and which were fantasy.

The saddest day of some children's lives is when they find out the adults around them have been lying to them.

Old frt
23-12-2012, 12:23 PM
80825

BJMac
23-12-2012, 12:50 PM
and hopefully one of the happiest days of people's lives is when they begin to understand metaphor and the reason parables are used to convey a way of thinking.
I think the Santa analogy is interesting. Of course it's fictitious (whether or not there was some dude centuries ago giving lollies or whatever), but when kids grow up they would hopefully learn the lesson in being charitable and thinking of others.
What's the difference with Christianity or other main religions? If people use Christ's teachings as a way of helping them live right, good luck to em. If others 'just know right from wrong' or whatever, good luck to em.

Fundamentalism on any side is just as ugly and just as stupid.

crowtribe
23-12-2012, 12:56 PM
you mean things like fender eliminators and tinted visors?

Militant anti-theists posting a 7 page thread on how much they hate Christians, and judging them for putting a harmless ad in a newspaper. Do you see any parallels in their denouncement and yours?

I'm agnostic, personally. I don't get my feelings butthurt over someone's declaration of faith like others here seem to. Good on them for having the balls and strong belief it takes to much such a public announcement in today's unforgiving and asshole society.

CitizenD
23-12-2012, 01:01 PM
and hopefully one of the happiest days of people's lives is when they begin to understand metaphor and the reason parables are used to convey a way of thinking.
I think the Santa analogy is interesting. Of course it's fictitious (whether or not there was some dude centuries ago giving lollies or whatever), but when kids grow up they would hopefully learn the lesson in being charitable and thinking of others.
What's the difference with Christianity or other main religions? If people use Christ's teachings as a way of helping them live right, good luck to em. If others 'just know right from wrong' or whatever, good luck to em.

Fundamentalism on any side is just as ugly and just as stupid.

People whom get called 'fundamentalist atheists" -I object to being called an atheist as much as Obama would object to being called a nigger, as the fact I don't scribe to a system of thinking that belongs in preadolescence should not require me to be catagorised in a special group - understand the parables in the stories. We understand Red Riding Hood and Hansel and Gretel too. But we don't need those childhood lessons when we grow up just like we don't need imaginary friends and night lights.

It's like sitting your final exams with the fucking kindy in the room.


Militant anti-theists posting a 7 page thread on how much they hate Christians, and judging them for putting a harmless ad in a newspaper. Do you see any parallels in their denouncement and yours?

I'm agnostic, personally. I don't get my feelings butthurt over someone's declaration of faith like others here seem to. Good on them for having the balls and strong belief it takes to much such a public announcement in today's unforgiving and asshole society.

I don't hate Christians for who they are any more than I hate the guy with Down syndrome who catches the bus where I often get lunch. Perfectly charming young guy maybe late 20s (hard to tell), loves his metal and always wants to talk about bikes and wishes he could get a licence - he has the mental age of about 14 and has been cared for and had people run his entire life. I can't hate him for the limitations, and they fucking well are let's not step around it, life set him. Incidentally he doesn't believe in god.

I hate the fact that they don't have any of Ben's biological (or god given depending on POV) handicaps yet they willingly choose to stunt their own cognitive development to hold on to a childhood fantasy of an imaginary friend and father figure who'll always be there to look after you. What's worse is they actively try and recruit others.

If you feel like regressing, watch cartoons or play in the rain like the rest of us sensible adults.

Desmo
23-12-2012, 01:10 PM
Militant anti-theists posting a 7 page thread on how much they hate Christians, and judging them for putting a harmless ad in a newspaper. Do you see any parallels in their denouncement and yours?


No, I do not. I see the majority of atheist rantings to be out of sheer frustration.
If religion were a harmless set of organisations that had only ever tried to do good from their delusional mental processes and manipulative teachings, then they could be ignored as a toothless bunch of whack jobs. But they aren't nice and Godly and pure; organised religion is a disgrace and has done far more bad and caused far more pain and suffering than anyone else in history. Religion also encourages fanaticism and an inability to view things rationally.
They subjugate, oppress, deceive and hold back the human race and have no part in an advancing society. And it's all under the premise of an imaginary friend and the mantra of "You can't prove He (God) doesn't exist, therefore, he does!".
I think Atheists are just frustrated as fuck that we are forced to see real, scientific and rational advancement constantly undermined by this historical anomaly that should have died out when we had real enlightenment.
We should still worship the Sun and stars, but in a completely different manner.

crowtribe
23-12-2012, 01:21 PM
In what way has this ad in a newspaper done any of those things? I bet that Gordon Davies RE haven't gone out and raped, murdered and pillaged anyone for being an unbeliever in the process of running their business and believing in an imaginary person.

For some reason you appear to be equating what this one group of Christians in 2012 did, putting a self-funded ad in a newspaper, with what generations of Christians did hundreds of years ago. The Church now isn't the Church then, and neither are it's followers.

Desmo
23-12-2012, 01:27 PM
The Church now isn't the Church then, and neither are it's followers.

I think you'd be surprised just how much modern religion retards the progress of the human race.

crowtribe
23-12-2012, 01:29 PM
And Gordon Davies Real Estate has done this personally, have they? By putting an ad in a newspaper?

thro
23-12-2012, 01:37 PM
In what way has this ad in a newspaper done any of those things? I bet that Gordon Davies RE haven't gone out and raped, murdered and pillaged anyone for being an unbeliever in the process of running their business and believing in an imaginary person.

For some reason you appear to be equating what this one group of Christians in 2012 did, putting a self-funded ad in a newspaper, with what generations of Christians did hundreds of years ago. The Church now isn't the Church then, and neither are it's followers.

It's nothing to do with that. The whole premise of the ad is : christmas - you're doing it wrong.

Telling the reader that it is all a Christian holiday and that if you aren't studying christ's life you should be.

It says we have Christmas because of jesus's birth, which is a flat out lie. The holiday existed long before Jesus as the pagan celebration of the winter solstice (in the northern hemisphere - here it is the summer solstice).

I don't care what others believe, but printing an ad in the paper pushing religion with your business name on it is professionally retarded.


edit:
I don't care so much that it is there. By all means, push your own religion as you see fit (other than knocking on my door - fuck off). But don't expect me to NOT have a good old hearty chuckle at you if you do this and alienate a whole heap of potential customers by putting your business name on it. Me? I couldn't give a shit. But there are others out there who are devout <insert religion here> who will be alienated, who probably would have otherwise had no idea.

Mo-Fo
23-12-2012, 01:47 PM
Fundamentalist level religious anything I have a problem with. Hateful disrespectful atheists I also having a problem with. You're all douchebags yelling at each other and getting nowhere. What we need is a creationist v atheist UFC where all you guys can punch the fuck out of each other much to the amusement of the rest of us. Desmo you better work that fat gut off and get training coz ur up 1st.

Anyway.... A religious advert in a newspaper around xmas time.... seriously who cares? Has your life been negatively impacted because of it? Do most ppl these days feel the need to make mountains out of molehills on just about everything?

It's xmas people, relax, spend time with your families and try and forget the world's shit just for a few days. Plenty of time for you to argue in '13.

/peace.

Para045
23-12-2012, 02:08 PM
Just out of curiosity, did you actually find these two comments amusing, at all? Or was it more just an attempt to waste electrons?
Because honestly we I could have gone our entire lives without reading either of these comments and been better off for it.

Fixed :rolleyes: To answer your question "YES", otherwise I wouldn't have wasted my time posting it :rolleyes: I certainly didn't put it on here for your benefit and certainly don't feel I need your approval to do so ;)




I think you'd be surprised just how much modern religion retards the progress of the human race.
And Gordon Davies Real Estate has done this personally, have they? By putting an ad in a newspaper?

No but they seem to have retarded the development of PSB with all the "god fearing Christians" getting bent out of shape :lol:

D'Artagnan
23-12-2012, 02:28 PM
In what way has this ad in a newspaper done any of those things? I bet that Gordon Davies RE haven't gone out and raped, murdered and pillaged anyone for being an unbeliever in the process of running their business and believing in an imaginary person.

For some reason you appear to be equating what this one group of Christians in 2012 did, putting a self-funded ad in a newspaper, with what generations of Christians did hundreds of years ago. The Church now isn't the Church then, and neither are it's followers.

So which of the 'rules' of Christianity do not apply any more? I'd like to know as I'm constantly being told "God said this...and God said that". If, as you're suggesting, the teachings of Christ are no longer applicable then is Christmas at all valid any more? Apparently not as it evolved 'back then'.

edit:

For example, do the contraception rules still apply? What about marriage equality? Hmm can I still stone my unmarried, soiled sister? Do I still have to turn the other cheek or are we back to an eye for an eye?

Desmo
23-12-2012, 02:40 PM
Desmo you better work that fat gut off and get training coz ur up 1st.


Will you cheer on the other guy whilst wearing your Holden singlet and swigging Jim Beam or Jack Daniels from a can?
I'd so enjoy seeing that.

Bukefal
23-12-2012, 04:54 PM
Militant anti-theists posting a 7 page thread on how much they hate Christians, and judging them for putting a harmless ad in a newspaper. Do you see any parallels in their denouncement and yours?

I'm agnostic, personally. I don't get my feelings butthurt over someone's declaration of faith like others here seem to. Good on them for having the balls and strong belief it takes to much such a public announcement in today's unforgiving and asshole society.

'aww poor little christian victims... they've just put a harmless little ad in the newspaper, no doubt using funds that little timmy gave in the church collection plate. let's all leave the poor christians alone. gosh there are no morals in today's society. if only we could return to the good old days when people had christians values, blacks were slaves and women weren't allowed to vote.'

a bunch of motorbike riders ripping on religion on a forum is militant??? you've got to be kidding. no one is getting butthurt and no one here 'hates christians'. you're putting words in my/others' mouth(s).

yes i judge people on what they believe and on what they do. what do you judge people on? since when was religion an untouchable aspect of society that no one can criticise? people have a right to believe whatever they want, but if they decide to start preaching in a newspaper, then i have a right to criticise the crap out of them. and they (or you) don't have a right to be not offended.

it's funny that you admire gordon davies for promoting his strong beliefs. do you also admire those who promote opposing strong beliefs? or different beliefs? or no beliefs?

don't be so hypersensitive towards religion. ironically, it's not a sacred subject.

Rich...
23-12-2012, 05:02 PM
Just out of curiousity, did you actually find these two comments amusing, at all? Or was it more just an attempt to waste electrons?
Because honestly we could have gone our entire lives without reading either of these comments and been better off for it.
Do you think this could have been said by PM? Or did you just want the everyone to see you being a smart arse?

Because honestly the search engine doesn't need another post that you may one day want to search for.

CitizenD
23-12-2012, 05:10 PM
Isn't it worth putting away religion if it stops aborted babies burning in hell? Hmm christians? Would you sacrifice your faith to save the eternal soul of an unwanted rape baby?

CitizenD
23-12-2012, 05:13 PM
Do you think this could have been said by PM? Or did you just want the everyone to see you being a smart arse?

Because honestly the search engine doesn't need another post that you may one day want to search for.

Do you think this could have been said by PM? Or did you just want the everyone to see you calling Desmo a smart arse?


Because honestly sometimes a public declaration resonates longer than a private one.

Rich...
23-12-2012, 05:14 PM
No...

Yes...

And you are correct...

Old frt
23-12-2012, 05:19 PM
Could the mods declare a religious post ban for a few days please.

I for one have had a gutful of debates turning personal over something as trivial as an ad in a community paper.

agrid
23-12-2012, 05:24 PM
No...

Yes...

And you are correct...

Egotist much?

CitizenD
23-12-2012, 05:26 PM
He's a fair and reasonable man, for a mod.

Skut
23-12-2012, 05:28 PM
Come on guys, its Christmas...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M

CitizenD
23-12-2012, 05:38 PM
I wonder if we would have got 8 pages without a lock if we were using Judaism instead of Christianity as an example. Now that's a system of generational indoctrination and hypocrisy worthy of some hate.

Skut
23-12-2012, 05:41 PM
^ You do know why the Fundamentalist Christian churches fly the Israeli flag, right ;)?

crowtribe
23-12-2012, 05:52 PM
Look, I never said the ad was in good taste, but I also think there is a minority of you that are getting far too up in arms about it. They didn't hurt you, and you most likely weren't ever going to be their clientele either. No harm, no foul.

thro
23-12-2012, 05:53 PM
So, if i take out a full page ad for the Church of Satan (http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/index.html), you would have no issue with it?

Skut
23-12-2012, 05:55 PM
So, if i take out a full page ad for the Church of Satan (http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/index.html), you would have no issue with it?

Do you have a ready supply of virgins?

thro
23-12-2012, 05:56 PM
Have you read what they're about?

If not, you should (see link, read their faq, etc).

edit:

for the lazy
Church of Satan FAQ 3. FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS (http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/_FAQ03.html)

THEORY/PRACTICE (http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Theory.html)

Skut
23-12-2012, 05:59 PM
Have you read what they're about?

If not, you should (see link, read their faq, etc).

edit:

for the lazy
Church of Satan FAQ 3. FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS (http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/_FAQ03.html)

I am reliably informed by Dennis Wheatley novels ;)

edit: I do get your point, but calling yourself a Satanist (not you personally) is like claiming to be a Druid or a Wiccan, in that there is no real Cannon. This is not necessarily a bad thing mind....

agrid
23-12-2012, 06:14 PM
Christmas is cool, the Bible is a fascinating historical artifact, Jesus is one of the most important people who ever lived.

Its just the ignorant world-wide belief in the imaginary friend and their urge to lure needy people of dubious intelligence that pisses me off.

CitizenD
23-12-2012, 06:19 PM
Christmas is cool, the Bible is a fascinating historical artifact, Jesus is one of the most important people who ever lived.


Maybe one of the most famous, but important, really? Seems like all his name does is cause shit.

Old frt
23-12-2012, 06:23 PM
Maybe one of the most famous, but important, really? Seems like all his name does is cause shit.

Let's not forget he was the inspiration behind The Life Of Brian.
I still worship that fillum.

Amen.

Barfridge
23-12-2012, 06:23 PM
In the end, the thing that turned me against religion was the blindness to the rift between the old and new testaments.

Jesus hung out with the sinners, with the outcasts, with the prostitutes. He preached tolerance, turning the other cheek and treating others how you would like to be treated. All pretty reasonable stuff.

Unless you're gay
But not if you eat shellfish
Unless you have an abortion
But not if you cut the hair at your temples
Unless you use a condom
But not if you wear cloth woven from 2 fabrics

This cherry picking from the old testament does my fucking head in, I see it as the worst kind of hypocrisy. any religious types care to jump in and set me straight?

CitizenD
23-12-2012, 06:26 PM
Look, I never said the ad was in good taste, but I also think there is a minority of you that are getting far too up in arms about it. They didn't hurt you, and you most likely weren't ever going to be their clientele either. No harm, no foul.

Their continued existence hurts the species.

Mo-Fo
23-12-2012, 06:27 PM
Will you cheer on the other guy whilst wearing your Holden singlet and swigging Jim Beam or Jack Daniels from a can?
I'd so enjoy seeing that.
>>>


It's xmas. Plenty of time to argue in '13.


/peace.
















douchebag

Skut
23-12-2012, 06:30 PM
Let's not forget he was the inspiration behind The Life Of Brian.
I still worship that fillum.

Amen.

I gave you that clip as a gift :)

Back on topic: I have no issue with anyone's beliefs unless; they wish to impose them upon me; they use them as an excuse for persecution or crap behaviour; or they claim it is the ONLY way to know right from wrong.

N92
23-12-2012, 06:39 PM
we all had invisible friends, some of us just grow out of them..

Old frt
23-12-2012, 06:40 PM
I gave you that clip as a gift :)

Typical Christmas gift, I already have at least 3 DVDs of it.

God bless for the thought though, you are not the Messiah, you are just ...

Skut
23-12-2012, 06:42 PM
Typical Christmas gift, I already have at least 3 DVDs of it.

God bless for the thought though, you are not the Messiah, you are just ...

...too old to be naughty ;)

CitizenD
23-12-2012, 06:50 PM
we all had invisible friends, some of us just grow out of them..

I didn't. But I did hear voices in my head. I must be a Prophet.

Desmo
23-12-2012, 06:55 PM
I didn't. But I did hear voices in my head. I must be a Prophet.

1. Create a religion based on many others.
2. Hear voices in head.
3. ???
4. Prophet.

BJMac
23-12-2012, 06:57 PM
In the end, the thing that turned me against religion was the blindness to the rift between the old and new testaments.

Jesus hung out with the sinners, with the outcasts, with the prostitutes. He preached tolerance, turning the other cheek and treating others how you would like to be treated. All pretty reasonable stuff.

Unless you're gay
But not if you eat shellfish
Unless you have an abortion
But not if you cut the hair at your temples
Unless you use a condom
But not if you wear cloth woven from 2 fabrics

This cherry picking from the old testament does my fucking head in, I see it as the worst kind of hypocrisy. any religious types care to jump in and set me straight?

Wouldn't call myself a religious type, but then neither did JC...

This is the nail on the head (nice pun there :) ) - The OT stuff is what get's wheeled out time and again by the Christian-bashers. In my view, Christ's message was directly to set straight all that shit. Look at Matthew 15 - the religious nutbags of the day were calling him a hypocrite for pissing on the OT rules (it words it more eloquently but you get the point), and JC comes out with something like "It's not what goes into a man's mouth that defiles him, but what comes out of it"
What does Christ say about eating shellfish, being gay or wearing the wrong cloth? Not a lot from what I can gather. These are two very different historical contexts from OT to NT, and when pushed by the religious nutbags about his contradiction to the OT, he comes out with the golden rule. Basically do your best not to be a dick.

Following Christ's message does not make one 'religious'. Trying to follow him, or ignore him, one can still be a dick, but there's a huge difference from "Christian" and wheeling out Leviticus!

CitizenD
23-12-2012, 07:06 PM
1. Create a religion based on many others.
2. Hear voices in head.
3. ???
4. Prophet.

If everybody else is doing it, why shouldn't I? It's a polytheist religion worshiping the pre-creation deities I've just invented, one is the god of the strong forces, another the god of the weak forces, one is the god of relativity who exists still in the time space conituum and can only be worshipped by closing the gap of our own hurtling trajectory through timespace, one is the god of righteous indignation and broken aerials and they have a heap of mates too.

And some of us choose to wear headgear like the other freaks so if I want keep my helmet on whilst I FILL UP MY MOTHERFUCKING BIKE ON THE FUCKING FORECOURT OF YOUR BUSTED-ARSE SERVO I FUCKING WELL WILL YOU INSIGNIFCUNT SKEGG STAIN.

Now, let's go get some tax breaks.

Skut
23-12-2012, 07:21 PM
I have no cross to bear on this thorny issue, but I do want to nail this one down. If I want a Pilate to the afterlife, and I don't want to pontificate, then I will follow my doG's example of simply loving, and enjoying every day with a sense of humour and only the rare need to have my nose up someone's butt. Matthew disagree with me, I will not be aPauled, and may we all be Mary this Yuletide of Pagan celebration of seasonal practicality and fertility.

Fuck any kind of fundamentalism.... Enjoy the people you cherish (and be charitable to those you don't)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krb2OdQksMc

In other words, this gets hammered out every Christmas.

CitizenD
23-12-2012, 09:02 PM
The Lord's Punnishment was swift an severe.

Old frt
23-12-2012, 09:26 PM
The Lord's Punnishment was swift an severe.

Interesting that a western man who embraced an eastern faith mortgaged his house to fund that film.

RIP George Harrison.

CitizenD
23-12-2012, 09:31 PM
And Clerks was made on a credit card.

Old frt
23-12-2012, 09:38 PM
And Clerks was made on a credit card.

Clerical error?

Skut
23-12-2012, 10:21 PM
My point was to be funny, irreverent and yet respectful.

Peace and goodwill etc

Old frt gets it.

Or we could just be fencing to seem clever? (Religion is a an easy target online FFS)

Old frt
23-12-2012, 10:37 PM
My point was to be funny, irreverent and yet respectful.

Peace and goodwill etc

Old frt gets it.



Not as often as he used to.:(

CitizenD
23-12-2012, 11:01 PM
So, if at Comicon next year a fight broke out between the Superman fanboys and the Flash fanboys over a walkway between stands, and they dug in and hacked at each other with those things the scabheaded aliens use in Star Trek, for 20 or so years, do you the UN would get involved one day?

AZAZL
24-12-2012, 12:45 AM
Militant anti-theists posting a 7 page thread on how much they hate Christians, and judging them for putting a harmless ad in a newspaper. Do you see any parallels in their denouncement and yours?

I'm agnostic, personally. I don't get my feelings butthurt over someone's declaration of faith like others here seem to. Good on them for having the balls and strong belief it takes to much such a public announcement in today's unforgiving and asshole society.

This anti-theist was not reserving distaste exclusively for Christians.

My quite justified concerns were twofold.

The first is with the tax free status of ""non profit institutions operated for the public benefit to advance religion."

the other, more significant issue is that the state exposes my children to brainwashing from deluded sky god worshippers.

and if you cannot see how the advertisement contributes to maintaining this lunacy as normalcy, then I guess you'll never cease your agnostic fence sitting.

crowtribe
24-12-2012, 07:00 AM
Don't claim my agnostism as fence-sitting. Some people aren't 'hedging their bets'.

shmoo
24-12-2012, 07:13 AM
I reckon that this thread alone has probably made the ad worthwhile. Just from psb there will now be a significant number of people who now know of GDRE.

Scott52
24-12-2012, 08:00 AM
For sure I had never heard of GDRE. Now many PSB'ers know of him so I've done him a service.

I did send him an email and told him I thought it inappropriate a company should be placing advertisements like that as many of us in the community have different views, different religions or no religion. I think the hardcore Christians forget that.

I'm not upset with his ad but it did raise a level of annoyance because these people keep pushing and trying to convert the rest of us. I can't recall ever seeing ads in the paper from companies suggesting all Christians dennounce their beliefs and become non believers. We just go about our business and lives and leave them alone. In fact I would suggest most of us respect their right to have those beliefs and bear them no malice, however many of the Christians do not recipricate with that same respect.

Bukefal
24-12-2012, 08:24 AM
I reckon that this thread alone has probably made the ad worthwhile. Just from psb there will now be a significant number of people who now know of GDRE.

yes, but most of them will now conciously avoid doing any business with them. not sure that the ad was a very wise business decision.

chew
24-12-2012, 08:32 AM
In a country that shuts down for a week during a religious celebration and has a total of four public holidays for the same religion over the year, I find this whole thread intriguing as usual.

Why shouldnt this company be able to advertise and include their religious bias?

They paid for the ad with the one true god.

Anyway, back to work.

CitizenD
24-12-2012, 08:33 AM
I wonder if, profanity aside, we could buy a page in the same paper and print a transcript of this thread.

Anybody know what it would cost?

We'd probably be better advertising some of the alternative driver awareness ads we've come up with over the years, but I wonder if we could push rationalism in the same way they can push theology.

BJMac
24-12-2012, 08:43 AM
Now that would be entertaining- a forum of motorcycle enthusiasts sparking a public Christianity debate at Christmas time.

Yep, I think GDRE's ad has had its intended effect ;)

CitizenD
24-12-2012, 08:51 AM
Some of us are discussing propagation of mental illness, not the finer points of Christianity or any other theological persuasion.

Ryven
24-12-2012, 09:10 AM
Well done, OP. I now know that this business exists. Something that would likely not have eventuated had you not shared this.

Now, to address the drivel in this thread... How does what was written up there alienate the non-christians in their customer base? The people feel strongly about their beleifs, and put them out there in a manner that isn't confronting so much as intended to pique the interest of those who need something at a time of year when depression levels tend to soar.

BJMac
24-12-2012, 09:14 AM
And my point goes sailing straight on by uninterrupted.
But yeah, rabble rabble, mental illness, imaginary friends, Levitcus.

Scott52
24-12-2012, 09:18 AM
The ad wouldn't stop me from doing business with GDRE if their fees and professionalism were all competitive. The caveat to that is providing they didn't try to introduce any of their Christian propaganda into the process.

Trouble is if they had a listing for a house that ticked all the boxes for your requirements and the price and fees were compeitiive you're pretty well a captive audience.

Besides four of the five agents are good looking women! The only male is old Gordon himself.

CitizenD
24-12-2012, 09:22 AM
I guess some people kind of get there back up when they're 'told' what he answer to their life is by somebody who still believes in childhood fantasies.

Would you take tax advice from a six year old?

Come on man, our seeming need to stand on the other side of the fence from each other aside, you've got to admit preaching a 'live and let live' philosophy whilst also telling the rest of the world 'you're doing it all wrong unless you believe in supernatural chippies' with all of the supplementary "and the lord will wipe out .." literature the same organisations pump out (religions not GDRE), doesn't that seem like a threat made in passive aggression.

Barfridge
24-12-2012, 09:23 AM
And my point goes sailing straight on by uninterrupted.
But yeah, rabble rabble, mental illness, imaginary friends, Levitcus.

what was your point? that Jesus preached one thing, directly contradicting the old testament, but Christians still pick and choose what suite their prejudice from the old testament?

CitizenD
24-12-2012, 09:25 AM
It didn't go by, it just didn't garner a response.

agrid
24-12-2012, 09:39 AM
His advert asks me to question whether or not god sent his son to Earth. He then goes on to ask me why I don't take the time and effort to read about Christ's life and teachings and adds a thinly-veiled threat if I don't.

Seems to me he is intruding on my life as many religious folk tend to do. He can go eat a dick.

Old frt
24-12-2012, 09:44 AM
I just wish Hookers RE had placed the ad.

Hookers will help you find inner peace.

Sunshine & F'n Rainbows
24-12-2012, 11:11 AM
This is was in the local paper. I don't know who this Gordon Davies company think they are!

I sent them an email ... do the same if you agree or disagree with their advertisement. About time for another Religion thread!


Why?

What does this matter to you? If you don't agree with their politics or business promotion, just don't use them.

If they were buying advertising space and promoting punching small children and selling crack for fun and profit, I can see an issue. If they're just spending money promoting one fairy tale over another, why get so fucking upset?



Besides four of the five agents are good looking women!

Two out of four. Get fussier.

BJMac
24-12-2012, 12:56 PM
Sorry - delayed response and can't quite master the quote thingy..
Barfridge, my point was that the ad's purpose was to elicit a response, and it did exactly that.
Can see it now: "Jesus- trolling for 2000 years" ;)

I take the point that it's potentially a dick ad if it alienates a chunk of his non-believing target market, but I suspect the motivations for this sort of thing is more a public statement of one's position rather than marketing to his church or business.
For that, I'd at least respect his confidence to make a statement, regardless of whether I believe it.

CitD, people have all sorts of views for all sorts of reasons. I think anyone should be open to debate theirs. And yep, plenty of nutbags on any side are not. Calling someone's deeply held world-views mental illness as some do is going too far IMO.

BJMac
24-12-2012, 12:58 PM
... and yair, the chasm between OT texts and NT ones in the same "publication" is a good point. That takes quite some effort to reconcile !

Magilla
24-12-2012, 01:23 PM
... and yair, the chasm between OT texts and NT ones in the same "publication" is a good point. That takes quite some effort to reconcile !

Only if you have no idea what you are talking about...

BJMac
24-12-2012, 01:39 PM
Like the target audience of the ad. Far out!

Para045
24-12-2012, 02:26 PM
The ad wouldn't stop me from doing business with GDRE if their fees and professionalism were all competitive. The caveat to that is providing they didn't try to introduce any of their Christian propaganda into the process.

Trouble is if they had a listing for a house that ticked all the boxes for your requirements and the price and fees were compeitiive you're pretty well a captive audience.

Besides four of the five agents are good looking women! The only male is old Gordon himself.

Ha Ha it'd be funny to buy the house and put up a Satanic symbol right next to his advertising hoarding :lol:



Only if you have no an idea what you are talking about...

Fixed ;)

shmoo
24-12-2012, 02:28 PM
yes, but most of them will now conciously avoid doing any business with them. not sure that the ad was a very wise business decision.

Actually, I doubt that very much.

There will be the few people who will avoid him but 99% of people will get on with life and completely forget about the ad.

nipPs
24-12-2012, 02:33 PM
Just saw his website.. Fuck!

80857

thro
24-12-2012, 03:01 PM
The ad wouldn't stop me from doing business with GDRE if their fees and professionalism were all competitive.

Well evidently, a bunch of their fees go towards this crap rather than, oh, I dunno - paying their property managers to give a fuck.

So i wouldn't hold out too much hope.

Bukefal
24-12-2012, 03:02 PM
I reckon that this thread alone has probably made the ad worthwhile.



There will be the few people who will avoid him but 99% of people will get on with life and completely forget about the ad.

okaaaay.

Scott52
24-12-2012, 04:43 PM
Why?

If they were buying advertising space and promoting punching small children and selling crack for fun and profit, I can see an issue. If they're just spending money promoting one fairy tale over another, why get so fucking upset?

Two out of four. Get fussier.

How many times do I have to say the add didn't upset me! I'll say it again. The add didn't upset me ... the add was annoying because it was on the front page in bold type and it jumped out at you. It was just too conspicuous.

My thoughts were ... "why do the hardcore Christians have to keep pushing their beliefs at the rest of us ... they seem to think they're right and the rest of us are wrong ... I'm going to send him an email and remind him that not all his consituents share the same views, that there are many different religions out there and also people like me who don't believe at all"

So that was it. I sent him an email to give him a different point of view to think about. I didn't put an add in the paper on the front page in bold type expressing my different point of view. I've also said that the add wouldn't stop me from using his services if he had a listing that ticked all the boxes and the price and his fees were competitive ... to say "why get so fucking upset" is making my reaction sound worse than it was. I was annoyed ... not fucking upset.

As for the photos of the ladies on his website ... they all looked ok to me but I wasn't wearing my reading glasses. So are two pretty plain?

Scott52
24-12-2012, 04:48 PM
Actually, I doubt that very much.

There will be the few people who will avoid him but 99% of people will get on with life and completely forget about the ad.

Peoples memories are very short ... so Shmoo I agree that in a weeks time it will all be ancient history. Try to remember what the big crisis was a month ago in the headlines. I wouldn't have the foggiest.

thro
24-12-2012, 04:58 PM
My thoughts were ... [I]"why do the hardcore Christians have to keep pushing their beliefs at the rest of us ...


It is an obligation they have to try and "save" people.

Sunshine & F'n Rainbows
24-12-2012, 05:49 PM
How many times do I have to say the add didn't upset me! I'll say it again. The add didn't upset me ... the add was annoying because it was on the front page in bold type and it jumped out at you. It was just too conspicuous.

The thread was too long. I didn't read it.


As for the photos of the ladies on his website ... they all looked ok to me but I wasn't wearing my reading glasses. So are two pretty plain?

They range from 'dire' to 'perfectly acceptable'.

Good thing I'm an adonis and can openly judge every other human on gods green earth.

Scott52
24-12-2012, 06:26 PM
Dire?? ... I'd better get my eyes checked again.

AZAZL
24-12-2012, 07:27 PM
I was lured into checking the website on teh promise of dire chicks.

Couldn't get past point 1 of "Our Philosophy" under about us. So I left.

1. We leave our client's to make up their own mind about prices and conditions of buying and selling and try to protect both parties.

To quote Zappa, the crux of the biscuit is the apostrophy...

But why would I engage an agent that is looking after the interests of both parties? I want him looking after my interests. Bloody Xtians :)

jayeMD
08-01-2013, 06:58 PM
i rented a house from this slime bucket

and for the entire time the shower never drained

poo came out of the drain in the garden

it was infested with carpet beetles

then the rats under the house had rat fleas, timy things that bit

it was unbearable but i had nowhere else to go.

i am taking him to court tomorrow, with a bile of the carpet beetles i collected on bits of sticky tape

and videos of the shower that never drained and the poo and toilet paper coming up from the drain

the power on one wide of the house was also faulty

there was a gas leak

the caravan at the back was full of druggie junk, needles, nbong, cigarettes, old food, gross shit

the real estate people at the agency were exptremely rude yelling at my face

and when the plumber came he left the front and back doors wide open unlocked and didnt even fix anything

and the hot water never worked

he has a relationship with the post newspaper, they wouldnt publish my story

can i upload the videos ?

jayeMD
08-01-2013, 07:02 PM
81345

Roger Explosion
08-01-2013, 07:05 PM
Lulz.
Welcome to Psb dude.

jayeMD
08-01-2013, 07:06 PM
hey thanks

i was a member ages ago, but i forgot my password etc

i cant upload the videos

Glenn 74
08-01-2013, 07:07 PM
i rented a house from this slime bucket

and for the entire time the shower never drained

poo came out of the drain in the garden

it was infested with carpet beetles

then the rats under the house had rat fleas, timy things that bit

it was unbearable but i had nowhere else to go.

i am taking him to court tomorrow, with a bile of the carpet beetles i collected on bits of sticky tape

and videos of the shower that never drained and the poo and toilet paper coming up from the drain

the power on one wide of the house was also faulty

there was a gas leak

the caravan at the back was full of druggie junk, needles, nbong, cigarettes, old food, gross shit

the real estate people at the agency were exptremely rude yelling at my face

and when the plumber came he left the front and back doors wide open unlocked and didnt even fix anything

and the hot water never worked

he has a relationship with the post newspaper, they wouldnt publish my story

can i upload the videos ?



Wow.

Thats Fucked.

Good luck with the court case mate.

jayeMD
08-01-2013, 07:08 PM
thanks :)

i am hoping the videos will freak out the judge

i will have to learn to upload to u tube to warn everyone about the slimy shithead

anyone want to do it for me ?

Roger Explosion
08-01-2013, 07:11 PM
In his defense, he may have been praying that god would fix the pipes.

jayeMD
08-01-2013, 07:13 PM
The ad wouldn't stop me from doing business with GDRE if their fees and professionalism were all competitive. The caveat to that is providing they didn't try to introduce any of their Christian propaganda into the process.

Trouble is if they had a listing for a house that ticked all the boxes for your requirements and the price and fees were compeitiive you're pretty well a captive audience.

Besides four of the five agents are good looking women! The only male is old Gordon himself.

con agents, dont be conned

they are absolute arseholes

and the women are seriously rude

jayeMD
08-01-2013, 07:16 PM
yeah i will shove the poo down his throat

he said he was too busy to come out and see it

i would like to do other things to him (like b his h off with a s g) but if i mention it i might end up in bandyup

Brougham
08-01-2013, 07:42 PM
Oh so you're a female?

Shakey
08-01-2013, 07:59 PM
I don't agree with them, but support their right to put an ad in a newspaper. Free speech isn't free if it only applies to things you personally agree with.

Well said, their version of events being thrown out there, don't agree with them. hope their Christian attitude extends to all their business dealings. Fkn scokff

agrid
08-01-2013, 08:07 PM
The biggest hypocrites I have ever met are all Christians.

jayeMD
08-01-2013, 08:09 PM
Oh so you're a female?

yes i am female

and i am tired of being bossed around by real estate agents

they are the scum of the earth

there is nothing nice about gordon davies real estate

paying full rent for a house where i couldnt ever shower for a year with poo coming up out of the drain is not moral

christians are supposed to be nice, this guy isnt nice at all, he is full of shit, does anything to make money

i am atheist by the way

jayeMD
08-01-2013, 08:10 PM
The biggest hypocrites I have ever met are all Christians.

i agree

mute
08-01-2013, 08:10 PM
The biggest hypocrites I have ever met are all Christians.

probably cos you can get away with anything for a couple of hail marys, always wondered if there was a link between crime gangs and religion and why they think it's ok to do what they do.

Desmo
08-01-2013, 08:11 PM
paying full rent for a house where i couldnt ever shower for a year with poo coming up out of the drain is not moral

Why did you not just move house?

jayeMD
08-01-2013, 08:18 PM
i am a full time student doctor and i have a dog, i had nowhere else to go,
perth rental crisis


i have exams every month. i have to attend the hospital full time as part of my course.

i also have malignant melanoma.and then i got a breast lump

and i was naively thinking that someone could not be that imoral and would fix it

they never even said sorry

Desmo
08-01-2013, 08:22 PM
It's a hard life hey.

jayeMD
08-01-2013, 08:24 PM
yeah, lots of people are suffering

oh except the rich people, they are laughing

Desmo
08-01-2013, 08:25 PM
Except the rich people with cancer.

darkfibre
08-01-2013, 08:29 PM
i am a full time student doctor and i have a dog, i had nowhere else to go,
perth rental crisis


i have exams every month. i have to attend the hospital full time as part of my course.

i also have malignant melanoma.and then i got a breast lump

and i was naively thinking that someone could not be that imoral and would fix it

they never even said sorry

That rings a bell, didn't you have a 125 stolen a few years back?

jayeMD
08-01-2013, 08:30 PM
"""" Except the rich people with cancer. """""




they are probably old and have had a good life

i am only young

i have malignant melanoma (stupid gp kept saying it was nothing for 8 months and it became ulcerated = bad)

a meningioma (type of brain tumor , not the worst one, the malignant melanoma is the scariest thing, it can spread to the brain


so i want to have a decent life before it dooes, i dont need shit heads like gordon davies real estate making my life harder

and breast lump (that was nothing, but i had had enough of having cancers)

jayeMD
08-01-2013, 08:32 PM
yes

and all i got was a $100 fine :)

when i got caught riding without a license

i would rather a run in with the law than with gordon davies

Desmo
08-01-2013, 08:37 PM
they are probably old and have had a good life

i am only young

What makes you think that because they are rich that they also aren't young?
Do you think that wealth and quality of life has some bearing on the impact of cancer?

Scott52
08-01-2013, 08:39 PM
Did GDRE know about your health issue but still wouldn't help you?

jayeMD
08-01-2013, 08:43 PM
yes i stated it on the application form, taht i wanted to live somewhere nice, with a shower and toilet that worked

(because i was previously living in a place where the toilet didnt work)

they did nothing to help, didnt even say sorry, not once

they just smirked and laugghed in my face when i went to the office and kept repeating the house problems

jayeMD
08-01-2013, 08:45 PM
What makes you think that because they are rich that they also aren't young?
Do you think that wealth and quality of life has some bearing on the impact of cancer?

isnt this topic supposed to be about what an arsehole GD is ?

rich people would have a nice place to live in (without poo coming out of the drains, including the shower) , nice food to eat, holidays to go on, and someone to take them to the hospital (they wouldnt be catching public transport)

Desmo
08-01-2013, 08:47 PM
Yes but this is a discussion forum. Discussions evolve.

Mckenzie
08-01-2013, 08:47 PM
Do you think that wealth and quality of life has some bearing on the impact of cancer?

Slightly OT, but yeah I think it does.

I think the cost of docs can put 'poorer' people off getting checked out, not so the 'rich' that can get it picked up sooner thus lessening the impact.

/random thought.

jayeMD
08-01-2013, 08:53 PM
and rich people have contacts, so they can get checked out when ever they want

and poorer people have to be seen by student doctors (yep)

the rich peoplpe get seen by consultants, the experts

poorer people get seen by docs in training


AND my stupid gp wouldnt refer me to a hospital
i was seen by training doctors

i had to work out that i needed a PET scan

and then the report (done by a trainee) said that there was nothing wbnormal in my brain

and i thought i had better have a look because the gp was so bad

and then i found the brain tumor
(because i learnt to read scans when i did a prac in germany, but any geek could do it)

how many other people have had similar treatment and not known about it until it was too late? quite a few actually unfortunately

jayeMD
08-01-2013, 08:55 PM
the rich get free consults

the poor have to pay thousands to see consultants

i know this for a fact as one of my mentors is a spinal surgeon and his wife makes hoim check out all of her friends (so she looks good of course)

Desmo
08-01-2013, 09:04 PM
the rich get free consults


Really?