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Sventek
22-06-2009, 08:37 PM
Which do you prefer - colour or B&W? Thanks.

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45635//566396417_BAiob-XL.jpg

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45636//568890825_TmMYs-XL.jpg

taint
22-06-2009, 08:40 PM
the black and white needs some PP to really bring out the details :) so I will reserve my judgment till you deliver the goods :D

Sventek
22-06-2009, 08:40 PM
Just for you then. :)

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45638/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/568889467_8RBx6-XL.jpg

Tic
22-06-2009, 08:42 PM
I like colour.

Is there a away you can mix both B&W and Colour ??
That might be the ticket.

mattabation
22-06-2009, 08:42 PM
That looks much better, what did you do to it??

taint
22-06-2009, 08:43 PM
I like B & W but with the resized image you really lose a lot of the detail in this shot when looking at it in B & W.

Sventek
22-06-2009, 08:44 PM
I like colour.

Is there a away you can mix both B&W and Colour ??
That might be the ticket.

Not sure what you mean. Do you mean some parts in colour, and others not - or more of a blending?

taint
22-06-2009, 08:44 PM
That looks much better, what did you do to it??

I'm assuming he increased the contrast and changed the levels a little.

Hewie
22-06-2009, 08:44 PM
Dodge and Burn at a guess ?

Sventek
22-06-2009, 08:45 PM
That looks much better, what did you do to it??

I used pseudo-HDR with Dynamic-Photo HDR.

taint
22-06-2009, 08:45 PM
cheater :fuck:

Sventek
22-06-2009, 08:48 PM
cheater :fuck:

Nah - artistic licence! :)

Tic
22-06-2009, 08:49 PM
Yer i mean abit of a blend of colour and b&w.so small hints of colour would show through.
for example the railing in the bottom right might see a hint of the cream coming through. and the green of the pennisula in the distance..

if i knew how to do it i might give you a better description. but i have no clue about photo editing.

Geeza
22-06-2009, 08:49 PM
Colour does show more detail!!

Sventek
22-06-2009, 08:51 PM
Just uploading another attempt...

Sventek
22-06-2009, 08:59 PM
More gooder in terms of detail?

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45640/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/570700387_TJ5zA-XL.jpg

Sprint
22-06-2009, 09:00 PM
B&W is wicked.

S.

Sventek
22-06-2009, 09:02 PM
And is this one effective, or OTT?

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45641/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/570704447_WTfyM-L.jpg

taint
22-06-2009, 09:04 PM
leave the tongs and the poker in black and white :thumbsup:

Tic
22-06-2009, 09:10 PM
yer only have the glass coloured. the orange kind of over powers it.

rc_sam
22-06-2009, 09:10 PM
Panorama photo I'd say B&W if you want to give the feeling of cold winter.

Barfridge
22-06-2009, 09:14 PM
It's a shame the sky is blown out, you lose lots of detail in the sky. And at least you haven't cranked the saturation slider (for a change) :P So your HDR attempts do help quite a bit :thumbsup:

But being nicer...I do love the selective desaturation, it's almost like the colour is leeching from the orange hot poker into the glass.

Sventek
22-06-2009, 09:16 PM
OK - no hot poker.

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45642/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/570712584_bJxvV-L.jpg

Cbr1k
22-06-2009, 09:16 PM
What about Sepia?

Sventek
22-06-2009, 09:17 PM
It's a shame the sky is blown out, you lose lots of detail in the sky. And at least you haven't cranked the saturation slider (for a change) :P So your HDR attempts do help quite a bit :thumbsup:

But being nicer...I do love the selective desaturation, it's almost like the colour is leeching from the orange hot poker into the glass.

Yeah - I wanted to do a proper HDR, but it was SO windy up there.

You have no appreciation of colour, Mr Fridge! :) :STICKPOKE:

Sventek
22-06-2009, 09:17 PM
What about Sepia?

Not bad at all.

Sventek
22-06-2009, 09:44 PM
Thanks for the opinions and ideas everyone.

taint
22-06-2009, 09:57 PM
I'm here to criticise :)

Dubs
22-06-2009, 10:00 PM
out of the first 2 - the color one

Dubs

MattstaZX10r
22-06-2009, 10:07 PM
The pan' looks 'warmer' more detailed in colour , sorta looks cold in B&W .. depends on what effect you're after I spose.
The Gb (original)shot rocks!!! IMO leave the pliers and poker as they are , looks too 'doctored' otherwise.

Professor Redfern
22-06-2009, 10:14 PM
The colour one for sure, the BW just loses to much detail there really isnt much to see in BW. To me its just boring. Where as the colour really captures the scene.

I like the hot poker in colour it shows the action as it was, the heat of the poker is part of the process of the glass blowing, so taking that out takes away part of the magic of the glass blowing.

THE GODFATHER
22-06-2009, 10:19 PM
Colour...B&W done to death. Anything looks good in B&W. It requires skill to get a good outstanding colour photo.. Which I might add, if you took the pic yourself, you clearly have an eye..!

Griff
22-06-2009, 10:23 PM
I know this won't help but I like each equally, but for opposite reasons - what are you trying to achieve?

SpeedTrip
22-06-2009, 10:40 PM
The shot sort of reminded me of a place from a time gone past.

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45648/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/570766838_2hpuo-XL.jpg

perdition
23-06-2009, 12:24 AM
i liked colur for the panaramo, there is too many swathes of nice colour to g b/w , as the the second i like the first piccies best , other one looked wash out to me

method
23-06-2009, 01:09 AM
Hey dude, seen your pics over on the photofourm :thumbsup:. Looking good, this is a really nice spot, out of the first 2 I prefer the colour a tad more just a shame the sky has been blown out which has been mentioned. I think if you bring your mid shadow levels out somewhere between the first 2 so the headland isnt to dark it should look sweet. maybe even crop some of the sky/side away as i'm not a big fan of the railing on the side =P

The glass shot is nice however for a shot like this with complicated shapes/patterns and colours i would go for a nice b/w or a full colour but just lower the saturation just a tad, shoould look sweet. Great shot :D

Maxo
23-06-2009, 01:13 AM
I reckon,
Down a bit on saturation.
http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45659/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/160y7nc.jpg

MuNch
23-06-2009, 07:31 AM
The real question is.

Did you do caves road?

Captain Starfish
23-06-2009, 07:44 AM
Maxo's take on the pano FTW.

Similarly with the glass - b/w to colour is overdone. Try dropping the saturation to 25% instead of 0 in the colourless bits. Enough to convey the effect without shouting.

Also worth trying - instead of 25% colour, try a blend between 25% colour and sepia.

Mex
23-06-2009, 07:52 AM
I don't think the b&w adds anything to the landscape photo - in fact it makes me search for a subject so my vote would be colour - also the colours aren't dramatic anyway... Maybe try playing with the coloured one a little if it's not quite what your after? I really like the balcony in the corner. The second one I like as is... Whats your main subject in the second one... The glass? Or the glass getting molded? Would be good to see both side by side

edit: should've read 2nd page b4 posting - maxos colour edited one ftw. I like the poker red in the 2nd.

Sventek
23-06-2009, 07:55 AM
Colour...B&W done to death. Anything looks good in B&W. It requires skill to get a good outstanding colour photo.. Which I might add, if you took the pic yourself, you clearly have an eye..!

Yep - all my own work. Thanks.

Sventek
23-06-2009, 07:56 AM
Hey dude, seen your pics over on the photofourm :thumbsup:. Looking good, this is a really nice spot, out of the first 2 I prefer the colour a tad more just a shame the sky has been blown out which has been mentioned. I think if you bring your mid shadow levels out somewhere between the first 2 so the headland isnt to dark it should look sweet. maybe even crop some of the sky/side away as i'm not a big fan of the railing on the side =P

The glass shot is nice however for a shot like this with complicated shapes/patterns and colours i would go for a nice b/w or a full colour but just lower the saturation just a tad, shoould look sweet. Great shot :D

I'll have a look for you over there!

Sventek
23-06-2009, 08:01 AM
Thanks for the comments and suggestions everyone. I'll have more of a fiddle tonight when I get to my main computer.

With the panos, as with SpeedTrip, I also had a feel that the scene was 'old worldly' - and so I thought a B&W treatment might be appropriate. I think the sepia/B&W suggestion is worth a go, just to see if it manages to capture that. As a photo, I prefer the colour one myself.

With the glass-blowing, I wanted to capture the movement of the artist's hands (this was hand-held at 1/6s to do that), while focusing on the work itself. This was the only one that even remotely worked out. I thought the hands might be better in B&W, while keeping the colour for the artwork itself. I also think that the red needs to be kept in order to emphasise what's going on.

Sventek
23-06-2009, 08:03 AM
The real question is.

Did you do caves road?

Yeah, but in a car. My only consolation was that it was too wet to ride it. In fact, I didn't see a single bike for the whole weekend.

mickyjim
23-06-2009, 08:33 AM
I like the shot of Cape Leeuwin looking back at Augusta. it depends on the mood you are trying to set with the image... Colour: Viabrant, warm... B&W: Mysterious, cold, historic... My thoughts ignore if you disagree....

Sventek
23-06-2009, 08:39 AM
I like the shot of Cape Leeuwin looking back at Augusta. it depends on the mood you are trying to set with the image... Colour: Viabrant, warm... B&W: Mysterious, cold, historic... My thoughts ignore if you disagree....

Yep - completely agree.

Captain Starfish
23-06-2009, 08:43 AM
Sorry, Sventek - I meant the sepia/b&w for the glass photo (ie fade the saturation to sepia instead of black and white, and don't do it completely:leave a little colour across the whole image). If the glow is important, and I think it's pretty focal myself, push up the saturation on the tongs etc so they _really_ glow.

The Cape shot, to me, loses a lot when the colour goes away. But Maxos treatment seems to have warmed it a bit and made it easier on the eyes.

Rider
23-06-2009, 09:11 AM
Colour

Wilson
23-06-2009, 01:31 PM
What Maxo said. The greens and browns clashed too violently for my eyes in the original shot, where toning the saturation down a bit gives a nice effect.

+1 for the poker in colour. It's central, and in B&W it's just W (because it's so bright).

Really nice shots, btw.

Sventek
23-06-2009, 07:52 PM
OK, here's my latest take on the glass blower shot. It's not pure B&W in the rest of the shot, which I'm hoping doesn't make the transition quite as stark.

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45708/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/571792303_ZVYQ6-L.jpg

Captain Starfish
23-06-2009, 08:09 PM
Fuck yes.

A little more saturation on the tongs, a little less on the green area top left - maybe?

Sventek
23-06-2009, 08:47 PM
And some more for the pano.

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45713/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/571796597_PmWMN-XL.jpg

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45714/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/571797987_XPA5Q-XL.jpg

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45715/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/571799618_njGjo-XL.jpg

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45716/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/571802212_623be-XL.jpg

Sventek
23-06-2009, 08:58 PM
Fuck yes.

A little more saturation on the tongs, a little less on the green area top left - maybe?

Yep - you're right. Here's the latest attempt:

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45718/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/571820051_fM4kt-L.jpg

And just as a point of reference, here's the original untouched shot.
http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45719/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/571820654_wBUhq-L.jpg

dugy
23-06-2009, 08:58 PM
Love the recent blown glass pic. ***Edit: 7:52pm post.

For the pano's. I liked Maxo's. But I think the it needs cropping in from the left a bit:
If you need that particular aspect ratio then come in on the top and bottom a touch.
(Just my thoughts.)

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45720/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/Untitled-2.jpg

Sventek
23-06-2009, 09:00 PM
Love the recent blown glass pic.

For the pano's. I liked Maxo's. But I think the it needs cropping in from the left a bit:

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45720/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/Untitled-2.jpg

Yeah, that does seem more balanced. And, yes, Maxo's was great (of course!).

Captain Starfish
23-06-2009, 09:55 PM
Looking heaps better on the tongs, sventek, but the first thing that catches the eye is still the greenery in the background - smash it more :)

Sventek
23-06-2009, 10:16 PM
Looking heaps better on the tongs, sventek, but the first thing that catches the eye is still the greenery in the background - smash it more :)

Enough?

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45729/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/571862387_8nfJP-L.jpg

De-evolve
23-06-2009, 10:18 PM
Enough?

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45729/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/571862387_8nfJP-L.jpg

is it also because our eyes 'read' from top left to right?
and that being in the top left it catches the eye even more?
i heard it some where
so if someone could confirm its just like how we read text right?

Sventek
23-06-2009, 10:26 PM
is it also because our eyes 'read' from top left to right?
and that being in the top left it catches the eye even more?
i heard it some where
so if someone could confirm its just like how we read text right?

Yes, that's spot on. In fact, some of the research (just please don't ask me to quote it) suggests that people from some oriental cultures that read from right to left process images in the opposite way to us. When I did a photography course with Nick Melidonis, he said to keep that sort of thing in mind if we're ever shooting for the Chinese market, for example.

De-evolve
23-06-2009, 10:30 PM
Yes, that's spot on. In fact, some of the research (just please don't ask me to quote it) suggests that people from some oriental cultures that read from right to left process images in the opposite way to us. When I did a photography course with Nick Melidonis, he said to keep that sort of thing in mind if we're ever shooting for the Chinese market, for example.



ooo like Arabic is right to left
interesting :)


great photos by the way! :thumbsup:

icebliss
24-06-2009, 01:09 AM
The shot sort of reminded me of a place from a time gone past.

http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45648/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/570766838_2hpuo-XL.jpg

It does create a melancholic mood

icebliss
24-06-2009, 01:23 AM
I reckon,
Down a bit on saturation.
http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/45659/Your-opinion-on-these-photos-please/160y7nc.jpg

Yup, I like this one. More dynamic range would help the sky though (imo)

Captain Starfish
24-06-2009, 08:03 AM
Yaaaas, sventek - but maybe a little dark in that corner? (fussy, I know).

It's looking good, just being picky now.

Sventek
24-06-2009, 08:24 AM
Yaaaas, sventek - but maybe a little dark in that corner? (fussy, I know).

It's looking good, just being picky now.

Fussy is good. I might have another go tonight - but please feel free to grab the original and have a fiddle if you like.

Captain Starfish
24-06-2009, 09:57 AM
I only have teh gimp at work, sadly.
And off diving tonight.

Sventek
24-06-2009, 09:59 AM
And off diving tonight.

Now THAT'S what I call confidence! :)

Captain Starfish
24-06-2009, 10:35 AM
Meh

River is just as shit regardless of what's happening on the surface. Great training environment for underwater photography though. Bugger all visibility, and even the act of inhalation moves stuff around enough to throw great plumes of silt out. I learning self control (first time for everything, amirite?)

Brougham
24-06-2009, 10:39 AM
needs moar printing of panos thru me!!

i just did some for Dirty Sandchairs, ended up being about 1.5m long by 0.5m high.
awesome result, mind-blowing.

/shameless self-plug.

Captain Starfish
24-06-2009, 10:44 AM
>zips mouth shut<

:lol:

Brougham
24-06-2009, 10:47 AM
:fuck:

Sventek
24-06-2009, 10:48 AM
needs moar printing of panos thru me!!

i just did some for Dirty Sandchairs, ended up being about 1.5m long by 0.5m high.
awesome result, mind-blowing.

/shameless self-plug.

Don't worry - if I can replace the sky with something better it'll be coming your way...

Captain Starfish
24-06-2009, 11:04 AM
For big and beautiful, you can't beat brougham.

Brougham
24-06-2009, 12:44 PM
i'll take that as a compliment simon! :D

Captain Starfish
24-06-2009, 01:14 PM
:wub: that's how it was intended.