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    Advice on licensing vintage Ducati

    Hi PSB brains trust

    I have just had my latest project shipped over to WA...my first foray into Italian bikes - 1969 350 Scrambler.

    It is presently licensed in QLD but I cannot transfer that into my name as I reside in WA. Irrespective it will need to go over the pits here.

    So...it never came with mirrors or indicators from new. Has anyone had any recent experience with getting a bike passed that has neither? Any opinion as to whether I should just take it thro the govt inspection in Osborne Park or thro a private business?

    I am a stickler for originality and don't want to stick on mirror nor do I want to have the fun of trying to integrate indicators into an 40 year plus 6v Italian mass of electronic goodness.

    Any advice appreciated. I shall also prepare myself for the mandatory Ducati owner flaming!

    Thanks

    Dan

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    Nice bike it,s going to be to hard to licence here ,Happy to take it of your hands .






    I think you can get a club licence in wa .

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    Same thing as vintage cars. My old mans EH ute came from factory with no seat belts.

    Been pulled over many times for no seat belts and let off everytime when we tell them it was built in 1963.

    I think you'll be right to licence it provided it is as it was from factory.

    Further, I have a buddy that rides a vintage vespa scooter with no indicators (hand signal jobbie) and thats licenced too.
    Its all good on Ducati's

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    Advice on licensing vintage Ducati

    Cheers for that. EH Utes are a rarity these days. I have an EJ sedan without belts in the back, although its been licensed since 1962 without ever going for an inspection!

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    El Skitzo had all the best answers for this stuff, pre 69 seemed to be the golden era for bikes without mirrors or indicators as the ADRs second edition came out january first 1969

    but from a little research... some items are still exempt up until the release of the third edition in 1988

    maybe start here https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/...tion_adrs.aspx
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    Advice on licensing vintage Ducati

    Thanks Filbert that is very helpful. I would think that according to the second edition ADR it should go through as is. The fact it is/has been licences as is in QLD should help. I just fear getting an 'ignorant' inspector.

    I will compile all my paperwork plus original advertising/owners manual that show it never had mirrors or indicators from new. Will then see how I go!
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    Paperwork, paperwork, paperwork.
    Grab the ADRs for that year and take them with you to the licensing centre.
    Get in with a club, they'll help you.
    And fuck, nice bike.

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    Look on the compliance plate it should have the ADRs it will comply to.

    It should be a few numbers like 9, 12, 16, 21 then look them up.
    In sterquiliniis invenitur.

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    Advice on licensing vintage Ducati

    Crobbo - there is no compliance plate. Only the foil identifier put on by Berliner in the states. They actually didn't stamp the full year either...just left it as 196. That is a whole other (interesting) story in the history of Ducatis into the states! Berliner had a strong relationship with the factory as the sole USA importer and largely drove what types of motorcycles should be produced for that market.

    This particular model (350 SSS) was specifically for the USA market and not available locally.

    Thanks Desmo. Good advice. Any recommendation for a suitable club in WA?
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    I licensed a 1968 350 Desmo quite a while back. The inspector gave me grief about the lack of air cleaner and indicators. It seems that while my bike was manufactured in 1968, it didn't arrive in Australia until 1969 which was the cutoff for indicators. In the end they relented and registered it without indicators but insisted on an aircleaner. I bought a K&N and slipped it over the velocity stack to keep the inspector happy then threw it away. I would take some documentation to prove that it never had indicators and say something along the the lines that it will catch fire if the original electrical system is overloaded with extra lighting.
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    I have a few publications you might be interested in having a look at. Especially "Ducati Singles First Person: A Buyer's Guide to the Ducati Singles" by Tom Bailey.
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    I got my 1974 750S import guzzi registered with no indicators, in 2010. It came with a stucchi fairing and no indicators or wiring. It had 1 RHS mirror.

    I went to Midland for the inspection. Did not need an engineers certificate.

    The senior inspector had a list of bikes from the 1969 period to (I think) about '75 or '76 that were available in Australia without indicators. Generally Euros. I recall seeing some ducatis on the list but cant remember which ones.

    They accepted that my import was manufactured without indicators and registered it.

    I quite accept that is open to interpretation, and you may face difficulty. I am certain though, they had a list and it covered the period of your bike.

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    Advice on licensing vintage Ducati

    Azazl and Agrid thanks both that helps heaps
    agrid I would be very interested in catching up some time to have a look at those books. My knowledge of Ducati singles is somewhat limited and I am learning as I go! Would also like to see the 350 Desmo too!
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    Mine is in the foreground in this pic.

    http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/a...pse5769390.jpg
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    Wow Nice! Twin filler tank and all! 🏻

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    everyone's covered everything pretty well here,

    i'd be inclined to garner all the relevant paperwork and head to a motorcycle specific examination center

    motorcycles plus in kewdale is one.

    you could ring ahead and make sure you have everything you need


    ps, i own a licenced smash repair business and would be happy to do it for you

    [i would need to ride it there though ]

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    Contact the Vintage motorcycle club of WA, there should be someone there with contacts/ info.
    Vintage bikes can also be licensed under concessional rates.
    Cheers

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    Just make an appointment and take the bike along. If it passes based upon the info they have, great. If it doesn't because they need more info, spend hours researching the info and go back for a second visit - which shouldn't need a second appointment or cost you any extra.
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