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    Hi Guys,

    Have been learning to ride for a few months now with a friend. Have not had any instructors lessons yet but thinking about taking the test anyway. If you have your full C class drivers license do you need to need to display L plates or where a learners jacket during the assessment? I can't see it mentioned anywhere on the transport website?

    Getting a licence to ride a LAMS approved motorcycle (R-E class) licence

    • You must be at least 16 years and six months of age to undertake the PDA.
    • The PDA will determine your general riding ability. This may include testing your ability to:
      • Balance the vehicle at low speeds by riding around a figure 'O' without putting a foot on the ground.
      • Correctly park and start on a hill.
      • Perform a quick stop under full control without locking either wheel.

    • You must wear appropriate attire that consists of enclosed footwear, approved helmet, long trousers and long-sleeved shirt or fully-sleeved jacket. Gloves and eye protection are also highly recommended.
    • For the practical riding assessment on a Trike, applicants will be required to demonstrate their ability to control the relevant trike for which the class is sought. The assessment will be in the same format as an unrestricted motorcycle assessment, with specific focus on road position. In lieu of the balance component, applicants will be required to demonstrate a parking or turning-around manoeuvre.




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    First test (a year ago) the examiner told me to take off the L jacket, second test (a month ago) the examiner left the jacket on me..

    Both the tests were RE.

    I know this answer doesn't really help you but it almost seems to be down to the examiner.

    the explanation I was given when I was told to take the jacket off is "so that other drivers don't treat you like a learner on the road". I didn't ask why he didn't remove it on the second test, I find examiners don't like to be questioned!

    Bring L's with you...I'm sure you'd rather have them and not need them then not have them and not be allowed to test..

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    Quote Originally Posted by james_zz_ View Post
    Hi Guys,

    Have been learning to ride for a few months now with a friend. Have not had any instructors lessons yet but thinking about taking the test anyway. If you have your full C class drivers license do you need to need to display L plates or where a learners jacket during the assessment? I can't see it mentioned anywhere on the transport website?
    You need L's the whole time because you don't have a motorcycle license. If you haven't had any lessons from an instructor, it's more than likely you will fail because you wont know where you're likely to be tested, and what you'll be tested on.
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    Does that include the assessment Ryan? As I wasn't allowed to wear an L during one of mine at the examiners insistance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robw View Post
    Does that include the assessment Ryan? As I wasn't allowed to wear an L during one of mine at the examiners insistance?
    I didn't wear a vest in my R class assessment but I did for my RE. I think you're right in that it's up to the assessor.
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    No requirement for the L during a test.
    You are deemed to be a licensed rider for the duration of the assessment, and it is contravention of the road code to display an L when licensed.

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    ^yes
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    Quote Originally Posted by james_zz_ View Post
    Hi Guys,

    . Have not had any instructors lessons yet but thinking about taking the test anyway.

    James
    Unless you have good skills and knowledge of how the test is conducted and what the examiners want to see this may not be a successful idea. I have nothing to gain or lose from telling you this...

    Perhaps someone could mention pass rates without lessons to help inform your decision.

    As for wearing L's during the test I believe some examiners like you to wear it as you'll likely be riding annoyingly slow as opposed to the more brisk manner of most licensed riders and this will help avoid frustration/danger with other motorists.

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    Beat part of passing the licence test is taking the bloody fluro L vest off!!!

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    How hard is it to find an instructor that can provide all the gear for the first couple of lessons? Just curious if most of them can do that or if I need to find a larger one.

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    Question for instructors:
    Is a shadow responsible for the learner having the appropriate plates displayed or does that fall to the learner themselves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sauer View Post
    Question for instructors:
    Is a shadow responsible for the learner having the appropriate plates displayed or does that fall to the learner themselves?
    I'm not an instructor, but I know the responsibility is with the learner, but you would be a bit of a prick if you noticed it had come off and not pointed it out.

    I got caught once when the plate had come off, and the cop was ok about it (the cable tie hanging in the breeze helped) but he also mentioned that it depends on who you get when they pull you over, as technically you are in breach of the conditions of the permit.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rubin View Post
    I'm not an instructor, but <snip>
    Cheers Rubin. Was out with a learner recently who lost his L-Plate. I thought that was the case. Still worth carrying a couple spares with me in future, just in case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sauer View Post
    Cheers Rubin. Was out with a learner recently who lost his L-Plate. I thought that was the case. Still worth carrying a couple spares with me in future, just in case.
    Bull clips are the best and they hold the plate otherwise cable ties if they are plastic. The bull clip won't block the licence plate itself and still pretty firm. 😀

    I would imagine it is usually the "learners" fault if they lost it and got pulled over. It is the learner which is at fault not the shadow. The shadow has not done anything wrong or broken road rules. However, in this event one is pulled over and one was say to claim honestly that they did not notice it fall off whereby it was attached as intended in the design of the plate and no road rules were broken ie speeding, the "mistake of fact" defence may be employed. Not second guessing a police officer here only consulting my criminal law uni text book. 😀 However it's a hassle to fight against an officer in the courts and of no benefit for something that is trivial.

    The next question is a police officer should not generally stop a person and check ones license unless they have done something wrong or is suspected. I.e. The bike may be unroadworthy or maybe for a road offence say for speeding.

    This is common whereby p plates for off all the time. I remember when I was driving many years back they would always fall off and once when pulled over for a alcohol test the officer merely told me that they had fallen and to put them back up. Most of the time the police officer would have better things on their mind I hope than target a triviality.

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    Always had a coupe of spares with me whenever I rode, and a couple of extra cable ties too
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