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    The last update on the DPI site was at christmas and the statement was that the legislation was almost ready to be tabled.

    Learner approved motorcycle scheme and a power-to-weight classification

    Regulatory changes are required to implement the Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS) in Western Australia.

    To this end, continuous progress is being made in completing the precursory administrative work. Progress is on schedule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by longshanks View Post
    dunno bro, it will be interesting to see what happens with those currently on R-Es!
    surely it will mean a massive influx of tests in the Weeks prior to it starting.
    They couldnt make you change bikes if they change the rules surely

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    Do you expect any current 250 to not make the LAMS list? (barring RGV250s)
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    Quote Originally Posted by hlucin8 View Post
    surely it will mean a massive influx of tests in the Weeks prior to it starting.
    They couldnt make you change bikes if they change the rules surely
    Massive influx?
    They already fill every slot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hlucin8 View Post
    surely it will mean a massive influx of tests in the Weeks prior to it starting.
    They couldnt make you change bikes if they change the rules surely
    Surely it wouldnt change too much, apart from existing learners benefiting from the scheme by swapping to a bigger bike.
    As far as I can tell, LAMS over east works the same here, but you can buy the bigger, restricted bikes. I'm pretty sure it doesn't affect the licensing conditions.

    Having said that, everyone thats learnt on a 250 may have to re-test on a slightly bigger LAMS bike to see if they can handle it, presumably at their own expense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Surely it wouldnt change too much, apart from existing learners benefiting from the scheme by swapping to a bigger bike.
    As far as I can tell, LAMS over east works the same here, but you can buy the bigger, restricted bikes. I'm pretty sure it doesn't affect the licensing conditions.

    Having said that, everyone thats learnt on a 250 may have to re-test on a slightly bigger LAMS bike to see if they can handle it, presumably at their own expense.
    250s are LAMS approved so no need for retest, same as if you tested on a 500 but owned a 650 LAMS bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by filbert View Post
    250s are LAMS approved so no need for retest, same as if you tested on a 500 but owned a 650 LAMS bike.
    I get that, but the difference between handling a 250 and a 'full size' LAMS bike might be a bit much for people that arent used to handling one.
    I suppose it'll come down to personal preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferris View Post
    Do you expect any current 250 to not make the LAMS list? (barring RGV250s)
    Doubt it, unless some of the motards are up there in power/weight.
    For LAMS information and resources - http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/foru...thread-156358/
    For LAMS discussion and to ask questions - http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/foru...thread-143289/

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    For people already on 250's, there will be NO impact.

    edit: yeah Barfy, exactly. That's why I mentioned RGVs. They don't make the list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    I get that, but the difference between handling a 250 and a 'full size' LAMS bike might be a bit much for people that arent used to handling one.
    I suppose it'll come down to personal preference.
    If you took your test on a 125 under the current system you wouldn't have to retest to ride a 250, if you took your test on a cruiser you wouldn't retest to ride a ninja, all they're doing is broadening the range of choice to any bike on their list meeting the criteria of being under 140kw per tonne and 660cc, as long as you test on a LAMS approved bike you can ride any LAMS approved bike, it's not rocket surgery.
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    2011 Motorcycle Sales Figures Australian Retail - First Half
    -- Top Ten selling models (All motorcycle & scooter)

    Kawasaki Ninja 250R 1093 +15.4%
    Honda CT110X 1034 -4.4%
    Honda CBR250R 889 (new model)
    Honda CRF50F 694 -3.6%
    Yamaha YZ450F 566 -11.3%
    Suzuki DR-Z400E 548 -9.9%
    Honda CRF250R 495 -20.7%
    Honda CRF230F 483 +12.1%
    Yamaha YZ250F 449 -3.6%
    Yamaha PW50 444 +18.4%
    --------------------------------------------
    2011 Motorcycle Sales Figures Australian Retail - First Half
    -- Top Ten selling Roadbike models

    Kawasaki Ninja 250R 1093 +15.4%
    Honda CT110X 1034 -4.4%
    Honda CBR250R 889
    Yamaha XVS650 374 5.6%
    Harley-Davidson XL1200X 361
    Honda CBR1000RR 282 -4.7%
    Kymco Vibe 271 +23.7%
    Kawasaki KLR650 267 -11%
    Piaggio FLY150 267 +122.5%
    Yamaha YZF-R15 260
    --------------------------------------------------
    Top 10 (excluding ATV's) Jan-September 2011

    CT110X 1726
    Ninja 250R 1562
    CBR250R 1528
    CRF50F 1289
    YZ450F 891
    CRF250R 829
    DR-Z400E 790
    CRF230F 733
    CRF450R 722
    PW50 697
    -----------
    Top 10 roadbikes january - September 2011
    CT110X 1726
    Ninja250R 1562
    CBR250R 1562
    XVS650 589
    XL1200X 460
    CBR1000RR 430
    KLR650 414
    Ninja650RL 401
    Fly150 391
    SCV100 381
    ---------------

    Lams seems to help XVS650 , KLR650, and Ninja650RL sales, but 250's still top the charts.
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    My wife has a 250 license if lams comes into force will she be able to ride a lams approved Bike??
    Im thinking of an old 400SS
    will just have to talk her around to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferris View Post
    Do you expect any current 250 to not make the LAMS list? (barring RGV250s)
    Akshuly, the RS250 doesn't meet LAMS qualifications. Having said that, if memory serves, the SXV550 does, so if you really want to go nuts, you can with much greater ease.
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    No you cant. The SXV550 LAMS is heavily restricted, and nigh impossible to de-restrict without spending BULK cash and labour.

    edit: It's cheaper to sell the lams one and buy a new non lams one traded in than de-restrict a lams one.

    You're really looking at 2 completely different models of bike.
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    The understanding i had regarding people on 250's when lams comes in, was that lams isis a 4 year thing.. Restricted to lams models under 660cc. If you pass your r-e before lams is introduced... You will still be restricted to 250cc for the 12 months. Then sit r class as normal.

    If i had the choice... Id choose the current system cos Atleast i could ride anything as long as i had a shadow. And only for a year. 4 years is a long time on a detuned 660cc. But yeah i can see the the long term safety benefits of the scheme.

    Lucky i don't need to choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferris View Post
    No you cant. The SXV550 LAMS is heavily restricted, and nigh impossible to de-restrict without spending BULK cash and labour.

    edit: It's cheaper to sell the lams one and buy a new non lams one traded in than de-restrict a lams one.

    You're really looking at 2 completely different models of bike.
    I was fairly sure it's completely illegal to de-restrict a LAMS model. Not that it would stop people.
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    Yeah I inquired into it coz I think when I was looking at a bike for the GF (and who wouldn't pick a SXV550 as a spare bike), the lams one was cheaper. Couldn't firgure out why until I asked around to those in the know.
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    A pdf taken from qld transport. States all bikes allowed under qld rules as it varies state to state slightly. Hope it helps

    http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/6a...cheme_list.pdf

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    I'm sure they can't possibly get me to give up the RGV!

    Here is hoping that DPI allow current R-E's to live out the 12 months on a non LAMS approved bike... by then it will be only a month for me anyway, but still!

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    Quote Originally Posted by whowalks View Post
    My wife has a 250 license if lams comes into force will she be able to ride a lams approved Bike??
    Im thinking of an old 400SS
    will just have to talk her around to it
    Yes.

    The change (from my understanding) is a change of power to weight ratio. Leaving RE class holders being able to ride bikes like GS500's.

    below is a link from qride - when it was introduced into queensland. might be some help to those who are confused...

    Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme Information LAMS

    The Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS) was introduced on July 1, 2009 in Queensland.
    Under the scheme, Class RE licence holders will only be able to ride motorcycles that are LAMS approved. LAMS applies restrictions based on the overall performance capability of the motorcycle, rather than being based on engine capacity.
    Restrictions Based on 2 Things
    1. A maximum power to weight ratio of 150 kilowatts per tonne and
    2. An upper engine capacity limit of 660 ml.
    What this means is that class RE licence holders will have access to a larger range of motorcycles.
    To help you identify the motorcycles you can legally ride as a class RE rider, there will be a LAM scheme indicator on the registration label of motorcycles approved under this new scheme.
    No Change In The Way You Get Your Motorcycle Licence

    The LAMS change will not affect the way a motorcycle licence is obtained in Queensland it only affects the range of motorcycles the class RE holders can ride.
    Class R licence holders will not be affected by the introduction of the new scheme.
    You can see a full list of approved motorcycles and information regarding LAMS here (PDF file).
    2 Other Major Changes

    There have been 2 other major changes announced.
    Pillion Passenger Restrictions For Learner Riders

    From July 1, 2009, class RE and R learner riders will be prohibited from carrying pillion passengers (including their supervisor) when learning to ride a motorcycle on the road.
    A learner will still be required to be supervised by an appropriately licensed person when riding a motorcycle the supervisor may follow at a safe distance on another motorcycle or another vehicle, or in a sidecar.
    I would assume W.A. would adopt the same practise and come into line with the eastern states.

    below is a link of approved motorcules for novice riders according to N.S.W.

    http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/...ist_120201.pdf
    Last edited by -J-; 27-02-2012 at 11:07 PM. Reason: more info
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