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    Quote Originally Posted by dnbosiris View Post
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    Can someone please advise the current WA statutory fine for riding out of class?
    is it still $100 and 0 demerits or has it gone up since 2012?

    Note - I am not planning on riding out of class, just want to be an informed citizen.

    Thanks!

    Yeah mate still $100
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    Quote Originally Posted by CbrRider81 View Post
    Yeah mate still $100
    thanks mate
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    Since an RE license is now an R class learners permit, I thought there was no more "riding out of class" but "riding contrary to the conditions of a learners permit" which had a higher penalty?

    But I've been outta the loop for...3 years? 4? Its been a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prefectionist View Post
    Since an RE license is now an R class learners permit, I thought there was no more "riding out of class" but "riding contrary to the conditions of a learners permit" which had a higher penalty?

    But I've been outta the loop for...3 years? 4? Its been a long time.
    It's not an R-class learners permit. You can ride R class bikes under supervision, but you still need to apply for and hold the R class permit to sit your test.
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    I heard so many different stories regarding this. I heard it could be $100 riding out of class or it could be riding without a license and have your bike impounded. I did read that the impounding thing was more than likely not having any license at all but the actual fine could be anything ! I had to go to extraordinary lengths to walk past the gsxr every morning and get on the lams bike to ride to work. I was more concerned about not being insured than the actual fine. I would suggest if anyone is any a similar position just get your R learners (or R-E if no bike license) and beg a mate to shadow you.

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    Yep riding out of class is classified as riding contrary to the conditions of your license which classifies you as unlicensed.
    https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/lice...r-licences.asp
    https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/lice...conditions.asp

    So whatever punishment comes with that can be applied to riding out of class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryanoceros View Post
    It's not an R-class learners permit. You can ride R class bikes under supervision, but you still need to apply for and hold the R class permit to sit your test.
    This is correct info. Withour an R learners permit you cannot book your test but you can ride an R bike with an RE license from day 1. you just need an L Plate and a shadow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryanoceros View Post
    It's not an R-class learners permit. You can ride R class bikes under supervision, but you still need to apply for and hold the R class permit to sit your test.
    Oh, in that case I'm gonna go back to the MotoGP thread where there are dumb rules and arguments about penalties, but I feel like I know whats going on.

    I honestly thought you could just book in for your R test once passing your RE based on the fact you can now ride an R class bike under the same provisions as an R class learners permit without having to apply for the permit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prefectionist View Post
    Oh, in that case I'm gonna go back to the MotoGP thread where there are dumb rules and arguments about penalties, but I feel like I know whats going on.

    I honestly thought you could just book in for your R test once passing your RE based on the fact you can now ride an R class bike under the same provisions as an R class learners permit without having to apply for the permit.
    Basically yes but then how would they get more money out of you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyMike View Post
    Basically yes but then how would they get more money out of you ?
    Maybe by introducing an extra fee on regos to cover what the third party rego insurance already covers... wait.

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    I see 3 possible outcomes if you get stopped, depending on attitude test, what you get stopped for etc etc.

    1. Cool cop says his piece and lets you off with a warning.
    2. Cop does you for something, out of class, maybe a speeding ticket, something minor lets say $50-200 (ish)
    3. Cop doesn't like the cut of your jib, goes full ham and does you for riding effectively 'unlicenced', you walk home, they take your bike on a flatbed, fine is damn expensive, perhaps court? in any case you have a bad time.

    No use going in 'informed' and telling the cop what he should fine you for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchie View Post
    I see 3 possible outcomes if you get stopped, depending on attitude test, what you get stopped for etc etc.

    1. Cool cop says his piece and lets you off with a warning.
    2. Cop does you for something, out of class, maybe a speeding ticket, something minor lets say $50-200 (ish)
    3. Cop doesn't like the cut of your jib, goes full ham and does you for riding effectively 'unlicenced', you walk home, they take your bike on a flatbed, fine is damn expensive, perhaps court? in any case you have a bad time.

    No use going in 'informed' and telling the cop what he should fine you for.
    unfortunately number 1 would be off the table. as with all the safety and bullshit cops have a "duty of care" to everyone. that includes somone you may hit on the way from your warning. there would be absolutely zero insurances in effect. including the CTP.

    number 2 would be suuuuuper unlikely since riding out of class is deemed unlicensed riding.

    number 3 would be %90 of the time. which may or may not include bike impound as per attitude test. court date is a given.
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    Riding out of class - 2012 Fine/Update/Information

    A mate had this in March of last year.

    It is classed as riding without a license (as you do not have the appropriate license class to operate the vehicle).

    It was his first offence, so was something like a $350 fine and a court date. Gets worse if itís happened before.

    Neither of 1 or 2 happens, itís most parts of 3.

    Off your bike, donít ride it home. Get someone to either,
    - Come and shadow you, or
    - pick the bike up, or
    - put it in the back of a Ute.



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    1 and 2 were far more likely to be possible in days gone past, but I'd say theres still an outside chance it could happen, not even 1 year ago my sister in law got stopped driving unlicenced in a car with expired rego and was somehow allowed to continue, was a country copper and she was a good 2 hours outta Perth tho. Just a stern caution for being an absolute twat, which was echoed by myself and other family members after she proudly told us what had happened.

    Don't get me wrong I wouldn't count on that outcome in the slightest. Funnily enough I got stopped a couple weeks ago and cautioned for something I could have quite easily been hoon law'd from, cop said he was TEG. Checking the bike rego etc (I was on a Duke 390) I said it's LAMS but I have R class to which he replied "that doesnn't matter anymore anyway" (or words to that effect). It was bizarre, we all heard the hoo haa about auto graduation from R-E to R, which doesn't look like will even happen now, I assume he was vaugely referencing that but it didn't really make sense the way he said it.
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    Well it wouldn't have been fair to have a beard, a hot young missus AND a nice bike, now would it?

    I mean fuck, im not a selfish cunt.
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    Well my real argument is that I cant ride good enough to keep going if someone wants to stop me and I have had enough trouble years ago for my lifetime and I won't break a single rule if I can help it. Im more for working the system legally as much as I can now. I like sleeping at night.
    Known a few troubled youth who are now criminals i have friends in low places i understand your point good to see you are on the straight and narrow now.
    Riding is not a crime just enjoy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubin View Post
    A mate had this in March of last year.

    It is classed as riding without a license (as you do not have the appropriate license class to operate the vehicle).

    It was his first offence, so was something like a $350 fine and a court date. Gets worse if itís happened before.

    Neither of 1 or 2 happens, itís most parts of 3.

    Off your bike, donít ride it home. Get someone to either,
    - Come and shadow you, or
    - pick the bike up, or
    - put it in the back of a Ute.



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    I got done and 8/1/18 for out of class and a speeding fine and Rode on into work then home havenít ridden since with out a shadow mind you. From what Iím reading on this thread is the law is a guideline and itís uo to the officers discretion/mood plus the bustees attitude towards them
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    Quote Originally Posted by rubin View Post
    A mate had this in March of last year.

    It is classed as riding without a license (as you do not have the appropriate license class to operate the vehicle).

    It was his first offence, so was something like a $350 fine and a court date. Gets worse if itís happened before.

    Neither of 1 or 2 happens, itís most parts of 3.

    Off your bike, donít ride it home. Get someone to either,
    - Come and shadow you, or
    - pick the bike up, or
    - put it in the back of a Ute.



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    Did your mate have his R class learners permit at the time of riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CbrRider81 View Post
    I got done and 8/1/18 for out of class and a speeding fine and Rode on into work then home havenít ridden since with out a shadow mind you. From what Iím reading on this thread is the law is a guideline and itís uo to the officers discretion/mood plus the bustees attitude towards them
    What was the fine amount? and did you have your R learners at the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnbosiris View Post
    What was the fine amount? and did you have your R learners at the time?


    Fine was $100 out of class and another fine for a $100 for 9ks over and no demerits either. Pay to have a good attitude towards the copper and no t be an asshole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnbosiris View Post
    Did your mate have his R class learners permit at the time of riding?
    Yep.


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