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    Quote Originally Posted by Drasius View Post
    Probably worth asking about how the 150kW/T is calculated. I have heard it is the power / wet weight of the bike plus 90kg for a rider while I had assumed it was just the power / weight of the bike (which can be given as wet or dry, depending on how the manufacturer feels on the day they release the spec sheets). Is this the case or has the normal disinformation conga line started its work already?
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    I read somewhere about R/E licence holders will no longer have the R class test, instead will have to keep the R/E licence for another year (2 years) then is automatically upgraded to R?

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    No. In a nutshell, they have just changed the typew of bike you can ride on R/E.
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    ^ What AZAZL said, you will still need to sit your test for R class

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    Quote Originally Posted by filbert View Post
    surely it's a typo/cockup otherwise you couldn't take your test on a 600 supersports
    More to the point, it would make the supersports LAMS legal

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    Quote Originally Posted by thro View Post
    More to the point, it would make the supersports LAMS legal
    i was worried about whiplash if i stretched it that far
    Do you remember the good old days before the internet?

    when arguments were only entered into by the physically or intellectually able.

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    R class practical driving assessments
    Implementation of LAMS will mean that unrestricted R class practical assessments may only be undertaken on motorcycles with power-to-weight ratio exceeding 150kw/t and engine capacity exceeding 660cc.

    Thus, most motorcycles between 250cc and 660cc, which are currently used for R class practical assessments, will no longer be suitable to assess riding competency of unrestricted R class motorcycles.

    Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)
    What the actual hell? You're telling me that I can no longer sit my R class prac on my CBR600RR, even though it has a power/weight ratio of around 530kw/tonne??

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    Quote Originally Posted by skunkworks View Post
    What the actual hell? You're telling me that I can no longer sit my R class prac on my CBR600RR, even though it has a power/weight ratio of around 530kw/tonne??
    No, if you read the other other LAMS thread, you'll see the Dept of Transport website did an edit and has a further paragraph: 150 kw/t or +660cc, not and +660cc. They did however, leave in the first paragraph of 150 and +660cc to cloud the issue.

    My employee has just sat his R (and failed) on an SXV 550. REbooking now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skunkworks View Post
    What the actual hell? You're telling me that I can no longer sit my R class prac on my CBR600RR, even though it has a power/weight ratio of around 530kw/tonne??
    When I read that page (or another similar page on the same website) a week or so ago it said >150kW/t OR >660cc. Now it says AND. However, it still says that MOST motorcycles between 250cc and 660cc won't be suitable for R tests. But shouldn't it say ALL motorcycles between 250cc and 660cc won't be suitable for R tests, since they updated it to say >150kW/t AND >660cc?

    Seems to me whoever wrote it is retarded and doesn't know the difference between AND and OR. It also looks like they are still in the process of updating a bunch of pages. Most of the stuff on R-E and R classes still does not refer to LAMS at all.

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    Feel free to delete once answered. I can't find the information on any of the LAMS fact sheets, and their website doesn't mention this specifically anywhere I can find.

    Q: Will learner riders be able to ride unaccompanied/without a shadow on LAMS?

    A: ? as a learner on a learners permit no, once they obtain the RE qualification yes.

    If I'm reading this right, one LAMS is in place a RE qualified rider can ride unaccompanied. I'm guessing this is to a maximum 600cc etc bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turboknapp View Post
    Feel free to delete once answered. I can't find the information on any of the LAMS fact sheets, and their website doesn't mention this specifically anywhere I can find.

    Q: Will learner riders be able to ride unaccompanied/without a shadow on LAMS?

    A: ? as a learner on a learners permit no, once they obtain the RE qualification yes.

    If I'm reading this right, one LAMS is in place a RE qualified rider can ride unaccompanied. I'm guessing this is to a maximum 600cc etc bike?
    RE as a class isn't changing it's still a restricted class to ride unaccompanied for a minimum period of 12 months before a test to remove the restriction, all that is changing is the choice of bikes.
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    Right gotcha I was reading it wrong, I had it that a RE qualified rider can ride say a 900cc bike unaccompanied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_andersen View Post
    When I read that page (or another similar page on the same website) a week or so ago it said >150kW/t OR >660cc. Now it says AND. However, it still says that MOST motorcycles between 250cc and 660cc won't be suitable for R tests. But shouldn't it say ALL motorcycles between 250cc and 660cc won't be suitable for R tests, since they updated it to say >150kW/t AND >660cc?

    Seems to me whoever wrote it is retarded and doesn't know the difference between AND and OR. It also looks like they are still in the process of updating a bunch of pages. Most of the stuff on R-E and R classes still does not refer to LAMS at all.
    So, I've just had an extended conversation with the transport department regarding the wording in the phrase "unrestricted R class practical assessments may only be undertaken on motorcycles with power-to-weight ratio exceeding 150kw/t and engine capacity exceeding 660cc." found on the transport dept's site only to have both a standard consultant and senior confirm with great vigor that any motorcycle which is not on the LAMS list can be used in the unrestricted R class prac and that the above statement appears to be in contradiction to the legislation.

    The verbal explanation is that the department was only made aware of certain specifics of the legislation last week and that the wording on the page listed above may need to be revised. I'll keep an eye on this and provide an update if and when the page changes or further clarification is offered.

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    This thread is so full of facepalm.
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    I know this is done to death and have resisted all urges to post yet another noob question, but I have read all the threads and read the DoT info and I am sure I have seen the answer somewhere before, but I need to clarify this.

    I already have an RE Learners from June this year, but have not yet done the practical assessment. Does this mean once I get my RE license sometime early next year I will be able to ride the LAMS bikes, or because I got the learners on the old system I have to stay on a 250cc and under for the first year?
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    From the 14th on January if you are learning R-E or if you have your R-E license, you will be able to ride ANY approved LAMS bikes.

    Nothing will change except your selection of bikes from that date.
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    This bit needs reiterating. Again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Commander Keen View Post
    Nothing will change except your selection of bikes from that date.
    Edit: In fact, Barfridge, can you put that in the OP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    This bit needs reiterating. Again.

    Edit: In fact, Barfridge, can you put that in the OP?
    Unless you already own a bike that is non-compliant on said list. Then you have a 1 year grace period (where you ride IAW current law) to upgrade your license (sit for your open class) or sell the bike.
    Don't listen to a word I say, hey, the screams all sound the same!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petro(v) View Post
    Unless you already own a bike that is non-compliant on said list. Then you have a 1 year grace period (where you ride IAW current law) to upgrade your license (sit for your open class) or sell the bike.
    These two points are all new people need to know. The rest of the deal remains the same.

    It's really not hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petro(v) View Post
    Unless you already own a bike that is non-compliant on said list. Then you have a 1 year grace period (where you ride IAW current law) to upgrade your license (sit for your open class) or sell the bike.
    True. Effectively for someone on an RE though it means more bikes.

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