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    Question What do you want PSB to be?

    The last couple of years has seen PSB slow down a little, for many different reasons.

    Rather than just bitch about what has happened in the past and all the "when I was" posts, we'd like to know if and what everyone would like PSB to be for them in the future.



    The intent of this thread isn't a nominal "engage with the masses" post, it will be used as a reference point to try and improve the forum, support all forms of motorcycling within WA, and improve community and industry engagement into the future.

    I know that for PSB once the OP is up that the threads can go anywhere, but could I ask that the merit of a particular suggestion not be discussed within this thread? Once the suggestions are gathered, seperate threads will be created for further feedback and discussion as to the merits of different suggestions.

    That doesn't mean you shouldn't mention something that's been posted previously, I'm just asking that the pro's and con's not be part of this thread for ease of tracking and compiling the suggestions...

    Based on this, some of the posts have been archived for addition to future threads.

    Also at this stage assume that there is going to be someone interested and actively on the forum to drive all these changes...

    Now is your chance to have your say.





    Edit: What do I want PSB to be?
    The premier streetbike forum in WA, by being an extensive online resource of information and experience to help you find, build, create, or be referred to those that can help you work on your bike, a resource of like minded enthusiasts who want to go for rides, be a shadow for new riders, and provide a place to be support fellow motorcyclists as they go through the highs and lows of life, be that provide a reason for them to laugh, talk shit, or broaden their horizons, or discuss and recommend ways to find help in their personal struggles that they don't necessarily want to discuss with friends and family.

    How I am going to try and help drive that?
    • Provide a stable forum that is open to all members, with a moderator team that is almost invisible in its ability to keep personality clashes, elitism etc off the forum and provide a safe place for people to post even the most basic of questions without fear of being ridiculed without reason.
    • Run different PSB events across the year to try and bring back the personal relationships between forum members, rather just the online personalities. Also bring back fundraising activities in association with existing charity groups to give back to the wider community.
    • Bring back the PSB merchandise, to re-establish the PSB brand identity, and allow members to break down that initial barrier in recognising and respecting fellow motorcyclists when on the road, in the shopping centre, meeting up for rides etc.
    • A PSB supporter system that actually gives members more the a cup of cement, gives them a feeling of pride by being a member of the forum, and rather than a sense of entitlement, provides a clear avenue to get some basic discounts to motorcycle products (and services?) in the Perth Motorcycle business community, and from there allow members to develop individual relationships with those businesses.
    • A Corporate sponsorship/advertising system that gives businesses the ability to either actively be involved in the forum to advertise/engage the PSB audience or passively advertise their business to an active member base, with the intent to offer reduced advertising costs if they supply discount packages for those who are supporters of PSB. Provide a similar service in a way that is actually worth the cost to other non-motorcycle related businesses who wish to be involved with the PSB community.
    • 3-5 years down the track, I'd like to be able to open up the PSB cafe at an ideal location to provide a place to meet/starting point for rides, point to drop by and talk about bikes, host events, provide a workspace for those that don't have the tools or space themselves, and really engage with the motorcycling community beyond the online forum.
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    Something something like button.

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    Don't worry about it, you get a flood of hardcore motorcyclists start up but about 5 years later they return to being soft cock car drivers making excuses for being cage dwellers.
    Biggest problem I see is people being deterred by the "Hero" attitude of a lot of people. That is the "Scooters aren't Motorbikes" and brand bashing. Nobody wants to join a forum to be belittled by what is usually, Part Time riders with an ego to stroke.

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    Can we wind the clock back 5 years?
    Can we start a Maxo support fund so he can be paid to troll PSB with Robbo the Squid?
    But then we also need an idiot fund to ensure we have enough material for Maxo to work with.

    I don't know if I have any serious answers that could work, but I'll throw in a few cents.
    The House of Luurve was a great place for PSB to meet and socialise. A lot of dickwittery has since made people avoid the place, others just grew up, got real jobs, took on responsibility sold their bike etc.
    I believe the newer breed don't appreciate what is in front of them any more, and whilst Mickey-tick-tock-tucker-fool/Polony/<insertsquidwhorodeoutofclassandcrashedanddidn'tle arntheirlessonhere> was entertaining, now it's more of the norm(and almost encouraged), rather than a one of amusement.

    I avoid PSB rides due to the number of crashes, near misses, and idiots who can't ride in groups, along with the group at large accepting this as the norm, even defending it.

    A lot of people have made great friends and moved along in life. I speak to the friends I made here and most of them visit PSB only a few times a year. These guys where part of the foundation of PSB when I joined. The regulars who always had something intelligent and witty to say, yet weren't rude or obnoxious about it.
    I wonder how much PSB arcade had to do with it?? Best time waster I knew of!!

    Whilst PSB remains a community and not a club, there is no real power to make the big redirection it needs to get back to the community feel. Should it be a club? There's pros and cons to both sides. At least the member dues might cover the increased legal costs(I hope).
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    PSB to provide sport channels to paid supporters ( and small fee on top like $5.00 or something) as long as server can handle it
    Quote Originally Posted by SIR sparks a lot View Post
    remember opinions are like assholes everybody will have one
    Here lies the body of Dorian Grey
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    He was right, oh so right, as he journeyed along
    But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong



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    I know the "Bring back the like button!!!!11one!" comments have been done to death and the reasons for it's exclusion have been explained by mods already... but to me it's an important part of the forum that allows people to engage, show support/kudos/props/whatever, all without clogging up every thread with inane posts that people have made because they wanted to show support for something someone said, but didn't have anything to add to it/the thread themselves. And then threads just seem to die out because there's the lack of constant banter/conversing/back and forth because of these other kind of pointless-but-not-pointless posts getting in the way... if that makes sense.

    Besides that though, I haven't been on PSB for that long in relation to some, but there's a natural ebb and flow when it comes to forums, the proliferation of social media, Facebook in particular, where groups are now readily available and able to be created by any Tom, Dick and Harry... it's natural and sometimes it's swings and roundabouts, other time it's just a slow painful extinction of the forum. I don't think the latter is going to be the case with PSB but radical acceptance is probably needed. Long standing members with the most to say leave, people stop riding, others run out of things to say, some feel there's nothing new going on and move on... All part and parcel of online communities.

    There's a lot of people no longer on here that I met through PSB when I first joined, people who shadowed me or that I met on rides or just met up with for the sake of it, does it make me kind of sad? Fuck yeah it does! There's a shitload of names that never show up in the forums anymore, sometimes I check their profiles and see it's been months or god forbid years since they even logged in and I feel a bit nostalgic or even melancholy in some cases. But that's how it is and there's nothing about that which will change moving forward even. Maybe one day I'll be one of those people that just disappear, too.

    One thing I will say for me personally that may be relevant to others is that I don't go on group rides. I don't enjoy them, they make me feel anxious and I'm just generally not great at riding when there's others around me as I tend to fixate on what's going on in front of me or in my mirrors. I don't think *I* am a safe patron for others to be riding with in a group environment. I also have social anxiety that has really become quite bad over the last year or so, so meeting up with a bunch of strangers makes me really nervous... That also means I don't meet many other people from PSB in person, and I think one of the best parts of PSB is actually knowing who you are talking to and engaging with and getting to build a friendship (or rapport, if you want to be clinical) with them. Perhaps without that, things are a bit less exciting and give people less reasons to return to the forum, even more so if they've had bad experiences or felt made fun of or bullied.

    Which leads me to my last point - and I'm guilty of this too so it's not a finger pointing exercise by any means - sometimes we are really fucking mean to people who ask stupid questions (uh, also something I am guilty of!) and what-have-you... if those people are newish and don't understand the most-times-good-humoured PSB banter/piss-taking etc, that can really repel people from coming back. No one wants to engage in a forum where they feel they are constantly being judged or jumped on, especially new riders. I mean fuck I've been riding about 3.5 years now and I'm sure there are still n00b things that I don't know or understand and some of them I just wouldn't ask here because I think people would think I'm an absolute moron (sometimes true ), I'm sure actual new riders could possibly feel this way too and therefore don't have an "in" to the forums without just creating an intro thread and joining in on existing threads, which some people aren't comfortable with.

    What can be done to improve the situation and make PSB better? I'm not sure. There was a while last year where I totally lost interest even though I was still riding, but then after a while I came back every now and again and had a look at what was going on, then gradually I started posting here and there, now I'm back to the point I check it and post often (well as often as there's something relevant for me to respond to or to post about)... Prime example of swings and roundabouts.
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    ^^^^ get of your chest??????
    Quote Originally Posted by SIR sparks a lot View Post
    remember opinions are like assholes everybody will have one
    Here lies the body of Dorian Grey
    Who died while defending his right of way;
    He was right, oh so right, as he journeyed along
    But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong



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    Thanks for posting the thread BlackFZR – I’m sure many have had similar thoughts – I didn’t post one cos I knew it’d get deleted if it came from a member. Without talking about the good ol’ days and what was, here’s a few of my thoughts...

    I just think there’s a different cohort of people (and greater numbers) frequenting the place – you can’t stop/change it.

    I think anyone who joins now thinks PSB is fabulous – and rightly so, don’t get me wrong – it is a fun, liberal place where you can meet like-minded souls – it is unlike so many other forums – bike riders have similar personality traits and unlike other forums, people actually meet up. However I find the n00bs can get a bit too overzealous with their postings/threads (I guess people need to ask themselves does their post add any value before hitting submit) and then there’s the annoying sorts that people find are fun for awhile, pull the piss, the annoying sort likes the attention (thinks they’re trolling when they’re not) and so they continue posting drivvel… then those who encouraged the annoying sort, start to get annoyed with said annoying sort, and just want them to piss off cos they start flooding the forum with non-sensical posts… then they do bugger off but they get encouraged to come back…. Maybe a bit more moderation of the annoying sorts – perhaps moderation for the sake of the masses, not the individual?

    I think the whole random postings/threads don’t get bites anymore cos the forum has gotten too big and so people aren’t really bonded as a whole anymore and don’t get on-going in-jokes i.e. it’s more segmented – again, nothing that can be changed. It is what it is.

    So yeah just thoughts, not really solutions because PSB has gotten bigger and with it you get greater diversity – so you can’t really recapture the golden days of PSB as the key posters who made PSB what it is have moved on of their own accord, or been turned off by the changing of the guard – and by changing of the guard I mean it’s grown and with that comes change – I guess it’s kinda become quantity not quality? I guess there’s a few new recruits like Old frt but they can’t hold the fort all on their own... and even he's posting less :/

    Also those who retain moderatorship/staff status who aren’t really interested in investing time in it anymore should really relinquish the role and pass the baton on. Several have offered to run the nerd-like side of things but no one has been bothered to do anything about it so then we get security issues etc and the management is reactive rather than proactive. I guess also listen to what people want e.g. the like button - yes I know there's some fandangled internerd security issue associated with it but there are ways around it I believe(?) and other forums seem to be able to deal with?
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    Srs, blunt post... things that have/do shit me here, intended to be constructive and illustrative of concerns and how they may shit people. I'd (personally) like to see these things fixed...


    • the forum functionality is broken and has been for years. search for example: either fix it or change the button to link to google site:perthstreetbikes.com . not a big change, but one of the thousand cuts... and is just one of many issues that seem to be lingering. I offered to help out with stuff when I had plenty of free time a while back, consensus was yeah that would be helpful, and yet when it came to it, I never got any login details or contact about how I could actually help...
    • deej made the big promise of revitalizing stuff 18-24 months ago with the big subscription push, then nothing much happened. i'm sure some feel jipped - because just after that, the forum was hacked and a heap of functionality that DID actually work was lost never to return - it could be seen as a bit of a slap in the face to people who paid up. legit or not, I can see how it could be seen that way by users.
    • the shop. either close it or commit to delivery in a reasonable time frame (weeks/days, not months/years). you're dealing with people who have given you money in order to show support for the site, non-delivery of items and non-response for weeks/months is just not good enough, and is screwing the people who are showing the highest levels of support
    • admin/staff contact. this isn't aimed at you Tim as you're contactable/approachable and often here. but some of the peeps in charge just aren't around, don't respond to contact and it gives the impression that they just don't give a shit. All of the points above this one in the list also contribute to this point. Yes, time moves on, people's priorities change, etc. But people want to see the forum functional. They want things like the like button back, and the lack of response or commitment to such things just reinforces this point... "we don't even care enough to respond..."



    TLDR:

    we need to be seen to give a fuck. I don't think this is currently visible.

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    Yep *LIKE* all of the above

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    There is good and bad:

    Good:
    -Involvement with MCRC, i.e. lunchtime parade laps, decent discussion amongst those that head to barbs
    -Community at track, loads of PSBers ride and it is good to see/meet those up at track
    -pay it forward, advice, help and learner shadowing are all great for the community

    Bad:
    -Reputation of group rides, I have been on a few (less than 10) and I think I only remember two people crashing, the rides are great, especially for learners but people on here keep citing the reason they don't go is because they are dangerous. That rumor sucks.
    -Like many forums, people get hammered for expressing their opinion, i.e. marquez v rossi last round, if you were a marquez fan and you said anything non-rossi you had no chance. (this isn't mods but people need to calm down in general) after all, a forum is a place for discussion.
    -I haven't bought anything from the shop lately, when I did, I had no issues, not sure if much has changed or we are only seeing the bad 1% (i.e. everyone will complain, not one will compliment)

    I think PSB collectively needs to calm down being keyboard warriors as the two big issues are just that we are being intimidating to new members.
    As Thro has said. search needs to be simplified using googles engine.

    Also, bringing back things like the psb wash, the charity bike (name escapes me), things like that, I remember the unveiling at causeway a while ago, one of my first group rides and the day was amazing. This last bit is a huge ask, but I think they also bring huge rewards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeBloke View Post
    Bad:
    -Reputation of group rides, I have been on a few (less than 10) and I think I only remember two people crashing, the rides are great, especially for learners but people on here keep citing the reason they don't go is because they are dangerous. That rumor sucks.
    Truth hurts
    Edit: Apparently they don't count as a crash on a PSB ride if it happens: on the way there, on the way home, if the rider could ride home, if it was stationary, if it was a non-learner rider, if no one else saw it etc etc...
    -Like many forums, people get hammered for expressing their opinion, i.e. marquez v rossi last round, if you were a marquez fan and you said anything non-rossi you had no chance. (this isn't mods but people need to calm down in general) after all, a forum is a place for discussion.
    But that is because the Marquez fans are wrong (someone had to do it! )


    Also, bringing back things like the psb wash, the charity bike (name escapes me), things like that, I remember the unveiling at causeway a while ago, one of my first group rides and the day was amazing. This last bit is a huge ask, but I think they also bring huge rewards.
    PSB wash was always run by the MAD committee, just used the name. That is the extend of PSBs involvement. Leads to the second item...
    The MAD Charity has collapsed/folded/retired etc. With the moving of the Shenton Park rehab centre to the new Fiona Stanley hospital they didn't need the support any more, and so the charity ended it's life, and along with it the Bike wash, the MAD rides, the Quiz night etc...
    Someone could take them over again, but it needs time and more importantly funding. Maybe PSB could take the reigns this time round?
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    Re ride reputation:
    Don't think there is anything that can be done, most of the time the dos and don'ts are spelled out quite blatantly, including the "before attending a group ride" threads on here.

    I think it's just a symptom of how big this place is, and if you stick more than say 10-15 people on a ride, there WILL be a dick-head quota involved - people feel more anonymous and less responsible it seems. Whether it's a "PSB ride" or anywhere else.


    The rides organised via PSB just tend to be on the larger side... yes the rep is undeserved imho.



    edit:
    Just on the sledging noobs may get, perhaps we need to make it policy to moderate the 250/LAMS and Welcome sections a lot harder? Just throwing it out there, the people in those sections will be new and as per @B0RDEX above won't be privy to the in-jokes and general banter.

    tone does not carry at all in text and without the context of previous experience sledging in those sections is likely very off-putting.
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    Like. & Search.

    That is all.
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    BABY STEPS:

    Step one:

    A nice skin / new version.

    Redundant functionality removed.

    An upvote / downvote system (Not a like button)
    Downvoting means trolly type bullshit just ends up being shoved in the bin and forgotten about. This is good.
    Also the apparently existent "harsh bullying of noobs qq" will probably be shut down quickly.


    IMO bikes aren't for cool kids at the moment(the industry took a bit of a hit after godzilla tried to eat one of the reactors in hiroshima or something), so traffic will be comparatively slower.

    I've pondered how a rebrand would affect the place, but the wheelie dudes, battlefield/planet kosmos typefaces and colours have a nostalgic 03's feel to them.
    I wouldn't screw with it and lose what's left of the brand.


    Quote Originally Posted by thro View Post
    TLDR:we need to be seen to give a fuck. I don't think this is currently visible.
    I can't agree with this enough. To me it feels like the head honchos don't have time for it and have forgotten about it.

    If nothing can be done to keep this place relevant, as sad as it seems, put it out of its misery.
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    Good thing about psb? Classifieds.

    Bad things? I'll come back to it.

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    keep new posts alive....
    Quote Originally Posted by SIR sparks a lot View Post
    remember opinions are like assholes everybody will have one
    Here lies the body of Dorian Grey
    Who died while defending his right of way;
    He was right, oh so right, as he journeyed along
    But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong



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    If M.A.D was such a good way to bring us all together why not do all those good things again but support someone else? There are many local charities (homeless shelters, childrens hospitals etc) that would love a helping hand.

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    Some larger organised events where people can meet and put faces to names and look at motorcycles.

    I know this opens a whole can of worms for organisation and other logistic issues.

    A function where we can see who has us on ignore.

    A sense of humour.
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