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    That was awesome! :-D
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    Pol Espargaro and KTM test rider Mika Kalio have both achieved top ten finishes this season. KTM needs to drop Bradley Smith fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Dealer View Post
    Pol Espargaro and KTM test rider Mika Kalio have both achieved top ten finishes this season. KTM needs to drop Bradley Smith fast.
    Appears to be a nice bloke, eloquent when describing how bikes work. Just can't ride as fast as he needs to......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Dealer View Post
    Pol Espargaro and KTM test rider Mika Kalio have both achieved top ten finishes this season. KTM needs to drop Bradley Smith fast.
    I don't think Pol is much chop either, look at what the two rookies are doing on the same bike. I do expect with a good rider KTM will be competitive pretty soon. Red bull is a pretty great sponsor to have and KTM is a successful manufacturer.
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    That KTM doesn't seem to lack horsepower either, strong acceleration and top speed is right up there.

    Get it to go around corners/brake [ or find rider who can do that ] and it will be competitive indeed.

    Red Bull has deep pockets too....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidf View Post
    That KTM doesn't seem to lack horsepower either, strong acceleration and top speed is right up there.

    Get it to go around corners/brake [ or find rider who can do that ] and it will be competitive indeed.

    Red Bull has deep pockets too....
    When you're at the track, you see the less developed bikes go round corners with the rear end all over the place and you can hear the traction control cutting in and out. Whilst the established factory bikes are planted throughout the corner. Teams like KTM and to a lesser extent now Aprillia lose 1/10th second in just one corner. It's easy to see why the bikes are 1.5 seconds off the pace, on top of the fact they dont have the best riders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Dealer View Post
    KTM needs to drop Bradley Smith fast.
    he's never deserved the opportunity to ride in MotoGP in the first place...should have been left with Moto2
    same with Sam Lowes and Jack Miller - there's way more deserving riders
    Don't ride faster than your guardian angel can fly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shan View Post
    I heard that they just changed their shift pattern
    1-N-2-N-3-N-4-N-5-N-6
    TO
    1-N-2 3 4 5 6
    Hope so - it's simple formula really.

    Watched most of the race and talked the S O into watching last 10 laps. It's a good thing when even a non racing person can get excited and appreciate a finish like that. 😀

    What was the go just after the finish though with the flag ? Just a bit hyped up maybe ?
    You can't *burrrp* can't just post, just post anything you feel like morty, you just *burrp* just end up *burrp* end up hurting people's feelings morty I mean how, how would you like it if I said things that offended you morty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulie803 View Post
    he's never deserved the opportunity to ride in MotoGP in the first place...should have been left with Moto2
    same with Sam Lowes and Jack Miller - there's way more deserving riders
    If Yonny Hernandez can get a ride in MotoGP then anyone can!
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulie803 View Post
    he's never deserved the opportunity to ride in MotoGP in the first place...should have been left with Moto2
    same with Sam Lowes and Jack Miller - there's way more deserving riders
    I don't understand this Jack Miller hate. In his rookie season he beat Nicky Hayden on the same bike FFS and has twice wiped the floor with his team mate even when injured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nudge View Post
    Hope so - it's simple formula really.

    Watched most of the race and talked the S O into watching last 10 laps. It's a good thing when even a non racing person can get excited and appreciate a finish like that. 😀

    What was the go just after the finish though with the flag ? Just a bit hyped up maybe ?
    If you mean when they went to shake hands and Dovi kinda knocked Marcs away, I saw a comment saying apparently Dovi was just doing a common Italian hand gesture that means something along the lines of "behave or I'll smack your bottom," and has no malicious intent, more of a quick telling off (like how you would a small child).
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    Quote Originally Posted by p4p1 View Post
    I don't understand this Jack Miller hate. In his rookie season he beat Nicky Hayden on the same bike FFS and has twice wiped the floor with his team mate even when injured.
    And I don't understand this comparison.

    Nicky Hayden was nowhere for the past 5-10 years.

    So who cares if someone who is supposed to be 'up and coming' can beat a 'has been'?

    Hayden was a nice guy - But I don't get the excitement over him.
    Colin Edwards... same boat.
    Maybe they were before my time following the circus.

    Sentiment, does not a great rider make.

    As for his team mate... he's just turned out to be fkn useless.

    Just like one of my favourite Moto2 riders, who I couldn't wait to see mix it up in MotoGP - Tony Elias. Fucking useless. Just couldn't transition.

    Miller is doing the best he can, and he's done okay - but he's just mixed in with the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by p4p1 View Post
    I don't understand this Jack Miller hate. In his rookie season he beat Nicky Hayden on the same bike FFS and has twice wiped the floor with his team mate even when injured.
    hahaha those stats are not exactly incredible are they? surely not...

    it's not "hate" I just have no time for him, he's a bogan kid who got very lucky getting a ride
    he's had 1 win, that's right ONE WIN, now in his 3rd year after finishing 19th in the championship, then 18th, currently 13th (like wow fkn amazeballs) but look who's behind him
    Don't ride faster than your guardian angel can fly...

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    Are we at the "pick a fairing and stick with it yet" time ?

    The Ducati version is teeth grindingly ugly [ all Italians must be cringing at this styling travesty ], the rest are somewhat tame in comparison, just wondering if they have to make a decision yet.

    Just a thought, are these fugly fairings permitted in Moto2?, or are the bikes too slow to warrant the effort?

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    They don't have to pick a fairing.

    They have a choice of standard, or winglets, to use whenever they want.

    But once the winglet version has been hamologated (used in a race) - it cannot be changed.
    I *think* they can test as many as they want - up until hamologation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidf View Post
    Are we at the "pick a fairing and stick with it yet" time ?

    The Ducati version is teeth grindingly ugly [ all Italians must be cringing at this styling travesty ], the rest are somewhat tame in comparison, just wondering if they have to make a decision yet.

    Just a thought, are these fugly fairings permitted in Moto2?, or are the bikes too slow to warrant the effort?
    Moto2 is a pretty standardised class. There's not much money spent on cutting edge development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    And I don't understand this comparison.

    Nicky Hayden was nowhere for the past 5-10 years.

    So who cares if someone who is supposed to be 'up and coming' can beat a 'has been'?

    Hayden was a nice guy - But I don't get the excitement over him.
    Colin Edwards... same boat.
    Maybe they were before my time following the circus.

    Sentiment, does not a great rider make.

    As for his team mate... he's just turned out to be fkn useless.

    Just like one of my favourite Moto2 riders, who I couldn't wait to see mix it up in MotoGP - Tony Elias. Fucking useless. Just couldn't transition.

    Miller is doing the best he can, and he's done okay - but he's just mixed in with the rest.
    Hayden's a pretty good yard stick for a rookie. At Ducati neither Rossi or Dovi beat him by huge margin over the year. It's easy to shit on the guy when after his world title win his bike was made for his tiny team mate and then he went to Ducati which took the sublime skill of Stoner to make competitive.

    He's transitioned just fine. He's riding a bike on of MotoGPs greatest talents in Pedrosa struggled to be competitive on week to week. He's not riding the Yamaha which is the easiest bike to transition on/ride. Even so at the tail end of last year and at the start of this year he was able to consistently score points and have top 10 finishes. Something that's harder to do now than ever before thanks to 6 competitive full factory bikes, two factory backed current bikes(Petrucci&Crutchlow) he's been doing a pretty decent job. While I'm not a fan of Rabat his total failure in the class is good reminder of how hard the 2015&2016 RCV is to ride.

    It's nothing to do with sentiment, he's been given crap equipment(as have the other Honda riders) since 2015, outrode everyone on the same equipment as him and even out rode both Espargaro and Smith last year who as Zarco and Folger has proved were on a much better package. To say that he doesn't deserve his spot over Abraham, Rins, Pol, Smith, Barbara, Redding is ridiculous. 13th given his bike and the loss of his crew chief this year is a decent job, decent enough that Ducati signed him to a direct contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    They don't have to pick a fairing.

    They have a choice of standard, or winglets, to use whenever they want.

    But once the winglet version has been hamologated (used in a race) - it cannot be changed.
    I *think* they can test as many as they want - up until hamologation.
    I know They're allowed one update during the year that both Yamaha and Ducati have now used but from my understanding can still revert back to their original fairing that they started the year on.

    Honda found a way around by homologating their original fairing with a heap of wings on it as the rules say you can remove parts of the fairing without it being classed as another fairing so are still able to have their major update if they think it's needed.

    I could be wrong that's the understanding I've got atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Dealer View Post
    Moto2 is a pretty standardised class. There's not much money spent on cutting edge development.
    I doubt Kalex are keen throwing away money for a new fairing in a control class they're dominating.

    Obviously winglets were banned last year but there might be a gentlemans agreement in place between Honda and KTM for moto3?

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    http://m.speedweek.com/motogp/news/1...tz-machen.html

    Something going on at KTM for Smith. Maybe they're not happy with his piss poor performances.

    It's not in English and I google translate seems like such a hassle right now.
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