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    Quote Originally Posted by agrid View Post
    ^ Works the other way too, I came from dirt bikes and found myself doing 180 at Barbs while looking 10 metres in front in case there was a honky nut on the track.
    Did you see one

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    Just bought myself a dirt squirter today...

    Thought I'd give it a little blast up the gravel road in front of the seller's farm to check it out...

    Loose corrugated Donnybrook pea gravel...

    Yeah gravel is worse than i remember it 😂 all 5 gears no traction then slide the rear around to turn back into his driveway...

    I'm far more sympathetic to your plight than the tone of my first response may have conveyed, I'm a learner again now too 😂

    At least you have engine braking, i was questioning my decision and my sanity after even that short blast of smokey two strokey madness.
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    In this order.

    1) Stand up! Now! Keep standing.
    2) Tyre pressures. Lower them! Preferably with rim-locks.
    3) Choice of tyres. Stock tyres on almost any road-based bike aren't usually any good at all.

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    We interrupt this broadcast to remind everyone what a painful bitch gravel is to crash on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phildo View Post
    We interrupt this broadcast to remind everyone what a painful bitch gravel is to crash on...
    You crash to much Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phildo View Post
    We interrupt this broadcast to remind everyone what a painful bitch gravel is to crash on...
    Too right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Benzo View Post
    Too right.

    That's another problem with gravel - it's arch enemy in crime, the tree.

    The two can usually be found in close proximity.

    It's a team effort - if one of them doesn't put you in hospital then the other one will.

    Evil, evil bastards.
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    The cool thing about gravel is that there are so many different types. From the deep ball bearing gravel to the hard slimy gravel dust.
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    I feel your pain. My first offroad bike in 20 years is a 275kg 1200cc

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortSteve View Post
    Thanks guys, thought it was me or the bike, but seems its everyones problem? As for gripping the tank with knees, found this made it worse than just standing loose on the pegs and letting the bike "wobble" and swerve beneath me?
    Hoping to head out in the daylight for an afternoon practice early in the new year. Or up to pinjar and spend the time trying different things/setups on the same loop.
    first of all FUCK PINJAR! its a long way to go for what it is. Heap up Brookton Hwy to Metro road and ride the signed pilot track its closer for a start and a wider variety of terrain.
    You have probably gone and tried to ride the most tricky surface there is straight of the bat, pea gravel is a cunt. I think I have a decent bit of off road experience now but even when I hit a decent patch of pea gravel I feel like a complete spastic.

    When I sold the R1 and went back to dirt riding I struggled for the first few months, I was riding road style and obviously that doesn't work when there is no traction. I was always trying to lean the bike then me hang off the low side like when cornering on a road bike, once I started laying the bike down but keeping my torso more upright and weighting the outside peg I was able to power out of corners better and not have the feeling of the front washing out.
    You need to be loose on the bike, elbows up, knees bent, relaxed grip. And similar to being a on a track you need to move your weight around but unlike road bikes you go in every direction not just left and right on the seat.
    Cornering you want to brake before the corner, get weight up over the tank, hit the apex and throttle out controlling the slide.

    Riding straight at speed, loose grip, weight over centre of the bike, gripping with your knees (this is where StegPegz help) and making small backwards and forwards movements as the terrain changes ie: bumps or whoops shift back a bit so the font wheel skips over them and the back wheel/suspension rides the bump or long smooth bends move forward a so the front wheel is more planted and goes the direction you want while letting the back end slide and step out to help direct the bike around the corner.
    I'd maybe drop tyre pressure a bit as well, I usually run around 14psi on loose gravel.

    Once you get into the mind set of steer with wheel spin and that the bikes have a crazy amount of travel in the suspension everything else starts to fall into place. Being you you're over analysing what's happening, will take some time to get used to the whole no grip thing but once you do its awesome!!!

    So when we going riding?
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    You put the c*nt in country run

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    gravel can be harsh mistress, decent in winter but like marbles in summer there is no real good way to ride it you either have to potter around or go at it hard.

    going fast on gravel you will over shoot a few corners and end up in the bush a few times with out a doubt, but once you learn how it flows and slides it can be a majestic experience
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    As a noob I'm finding out there seems to be a magical speed for stability on gravel. Going to slow is just as bad as going too fast.

    Of course that magical speed seems to depend on the gravel so I guess that is where experience and time in the saddle helps
    You put the c*nt in country run
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    Wait 'til you discover rutted-out hill climbs covered in gravel.

    Or deep, whooped-out soft sand.


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    Climbs are fine , its the decent that hurts me more than most , never managed to work out how to get the best crash .
    many slow crashes or one big one , I almost always go down .
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    All the sandand Pinjar hate is making me sad Keep picking on gravel its the real killer leave the whoops and sand alone

    SS go buy Shane Watts's videos and watch and copy his ride tips. They are not expensive for what they are and h'e one of the best ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shan View Post
    Climbs are fine , its the decent that hurts me more than most , never managed to work out how to get the best crash .
    many slow crashes or one big one , I almost always go down .
    I remember this steep, very rutted hill climb at Gidgegannup. It was hard but great fun going up. Going down you had to try and control your speed with the rear brake because if you touched the front brake you went straight down. Sometimes you would end up going down sideways after the front wheel dropped into one rut and the the rear wheel into the one next to it. Most times you would have to get off the brakes and go down a great speed and end up in the creek at the bottom. Or you ran into a tree. I miss that hill.
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    there is a hill we try out flynn rd. about 100mtr long roughly 45-50deg gradient and made up entirely of rocks about the size of basketballs. then for fun there is a couple wash outs as well that completly fuck yah up.
    I have only ever made it 3/4 way up
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    Quote Originally Posted by agrid View Post
    I remember this steep, very rutted hill climb at Gidgegannup. It was hard but great fun going up. Going down you had to try and control your speed with the rear brake because if you touched the front brake you went straight down. Sometimes you would end up going down sideways after the front wheel dropped into one rut and the the rear wheel into the one next to it. Most times you would have to get off the brakes and go down a great speed and end up in the creek at the bottom. Or you ran into a tree. I miss that hill.
    If that's the track going from Walyunga park lookout down to the rail line and river, that was great. Good times back when O'Brien road was gravel. Learner riders need more access to that fun stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty MOOSE View Post
    All the sandand Pinjar hate is making me sad Keep picking on gravel its the real killer leave the whoops and sand alone

    SS go buy Shane Watts's videos and watch and copy his ride tips. They are not expensive for what they are and h'e one of the best ever.

    MM
    His vids look the goods, anyone in Perth stock them or is it a online only thingo? Had a quick search but only came up with shanewatts.com
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