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    Quote Originally Posted by EB2 View Post
    ... what's to stop motorcycles overtaking on the right of a vehicle travelling in the right lane? - of course other than safety and space...It seems this might be a legal manoeuvre?
    Nothing, it is perfectly legal to overtake on the right side of a vehicle in the same lane, given you leave a "safe distance" according to reg 122 (1). If the cop is an ass though, he simply has to say you didn't leave a safe distance.


    Basically within the law, if you approach a set of lights and every other car is stopped, you can legally split either side of the line (provided you don't break any other regulations)

    If the right lane is moving, technically you must stay in the left lane (doesn't matter if the left lane is moving or not, as long as you are passing them on their right). Or, as you suggested you could pass on the right side of the right lane.... but that's risky in itself because there is more chance of them deciding at the last minute to turn right.

    The only time you can overtake on the left side of a vehicle in the same lane is when it is turning right or stationary.

    Having said all this, its all crap, and incredibly unlucky/stupid that you got pinged. Laws should be created and enforced based around common sense. The only thing wrong with splitting is cars get shitty because they cant do it. As for your infringement, if your video recording shows all the right lane cars you pass as stationary then I'd say you're lawfully in the clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EB2 View Post
    Regulation 122, sub regulation 2 - doesn't state the lane has to be empty because, since you're allowed to travel in a line of traffic within a lane thanks to regulation 126:
    Subregulation 1: "within a single marked lane or in a single line of traffic"
    Subregulation 2: describes how if you want to move laterally, who gives way to who.
    It's clear to see in Subreg 2 in the first picture that those are just two normal lanes driving in the same direction, in this example, any vehicle is allowed to pass either other vehicle. If that vehicle wishes to move from one lane to another, they must give way to the vehicle ahead of them as shown in the diagram. The second picture clearly shows two lines of traffic within the one lane, there is not specific mention that a vehicle isn't allowed to pass another vehicle in one line of traffic as compared with the first graphic, so that would mean there is no law against it?
    this is probably gone off topic now but I still dont agree with your interpretation on passing to the left but i am not a lawyer nor know of anyone who has tested this anyway.
    I agree with Alternate's reply:
    "Yes, there is a specific mention, you have posted it yourself: 122 (1) When overtaking a moving vehicle, a driver of a vehicle (other than a bicycle) shall, except as provided in subregulations (2) and (3), pass to the right of that vehicle, at a safe distance.
    Sub regulation (2) being ... a driver may overtake and pass in another marked lane to the left of the vehicle
    126 is not referring to overtaking therefore there is no need to mentioned overtaking, that doesn't mean you can do it. The second picture does not have marked lanes and reg 122 (2) is specifically telling you to move to another marked lane to overtake on the left.
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    Shame we can't hear the cops responses ....in that video...

    in summary... Split slowly... don't cross an unbroken line...avoid splitting on the left in the same lane.( unless the traffic is stopped?)

    Try to not hit mirrors on the way to the front of the queue...( avoid the white line..again)

    Or just pick the gaps on the way to amber/red lights and....... don't ride like a dick.
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    Any Progress on Filtering?

    It is very hard (almost impossible) to split legally since we're using laws mainly aimed at cars, and applying them to the situation of a bike moving through traffic. Even filtering through stationary traffic can be tricky due to the need to indicate when changing lanes and the fact that it's not just when a wheel crosses the line that you are deemed to be changing lanes. I had a mate who reckoned he did it to the letter of the law so I filmed him on a commute. He realised he was regularly breaking one or more laws.
    What does this mean? Don't do it like a knob (ever, no one likes a knob). On the rare occurrence you see a cop, avoid doing it, or as a minimum don't do it like a knob (this really is worth remembering). You'll probably get away with filtering past a cop car in stationary traffic simply because there's bugger all they can do if in a car.
    If a cop wants to ping you, you are very very likely to lose.
    Oh, and don't bother with the constantly indicating one way or the other. Or flicking your indicator left and right when you think you're crossing the line. Usually it's too little too late and you're not fooling anyone.
    Personally I try and educate friends/colleagues as to why it is done (the safety aspects) and point out that every bike doing this in heavy traffic reduces the congestion for all the car drivers. Once they see it as no big deal, and even advantageous to them, they ease up on the anger. Of course there's always the testosterone fueled ignoramuses who see you as getting "in front". These ones I wave cheerily to hoping I can hasten their journey to a stress induced coronary.
    "Speed Kills". The stupid person's answer to a complex problem.

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