User Tag List

Results 1 to 18 of 18

Thread: Riding without a shadow on L plates

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Motorbike
    .
    Liked
    1569 times
    Posts
    5,604
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    22 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Riding without a shadow on L plates

    You don't need a shadow in South Australia, Victoria or NSW (Not sure about ACT or Tasmania, but who really cares?)

    There are restrictions and rules.

    Eg. In NSW cannot exceept 90kph and cannot ride between midnight and 5am.

    In Victoria the learner must wear a hi-vis vest.


    What are your thoughts on this system vs requiring a shadow in WA?

  2. #2
    Member Water pig's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Yanchep
    Motorbike
    Cbr 500r, crf 250r, Daytona 675
    Liked
    0 times
    Posts
    153
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Isn't the shadows job to see what you are doing wrong and correct you prior to death
    Likes TROUBLE, FJ Steve, ozzypatrol, Sauer liked this post

  3. #3
    Member AZAZL's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Somewhere else
    Motorbike
    Twins
    Liked
    491 times
    Posts
    4,201
    Post Thanks / Like

    Mentioned
    25 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Yeah, why learn someone else's bad habits when you can teach yourself your own?
    Likes potato liked this post

  4. #4
    Member Water pig's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Yanchep
    Motorbike
    Cbr 500r, crf 250r, Daytona 675
    Liked
    0 times
    Posts
    153
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by AZAZL View Post
    Yeah, why learn someone else's bad habits when you can teach yourself your own?
    Fair call experience is no match for enthusiasm anyway
    Likes AZAZL liked this post

  5. #5
    Member SinRose's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Wattle Grove
    Motorbike
    KTM 200 Duke
    Liked
    0 times
    Posts
    202
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    27 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Dealer View Post
    You don't need a shadow in South Australia, Victoria or NSW (Not sure about ACT or Tasmania, but who really cares?)

    There are restrictions and rules.

    Eg. In NSW cannot exceept 90kph and cannot ride between midnight and 5am.

    In Victoria the learner must wear a hi-vis vest.


    What are your thoughts on this system vs requiring a shadow in WA?
    As you know I grew up over east but recently got my license in WA. Having never ridden a motorbike before I got my Ls I was more than happy to have shadows with me. I learnt alot of valuable tips from them and felt alot safer (albeit perhaps a purely psychological sense of security) having experienced riders with me.

    It can be inconvenient needing to organise a shadow any time you want to jump on your bike, and there will be vastly different opinions, but I was glad to have shadows. Oh and for the record, I never once expected them to act an an instructor. They offered tips and advice but I still did paid lessons. It's all about being able to distinguish between good riding techniques and bad habits and using common sense
    You can tell alot about a person by the way they wash their bike
    Likes Gim, Thomas Peel, Tron, optimal liked this post

  6. #6
    Member Marc87's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Nedlands
    Motorbike
    '15 1000RR
    Liked
    2 times
    Posts
    153
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Dealer View Post
    In Victoria the learner must wear a hi-vis vest.

  7. #7
    Member acdcfan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Hilton
    Motorbike
    Kawasaki ER6-NL
    Liked
    120 times
    Posts
    4,154
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    54 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I am sure shadow is same as having your parent in the car while driving under L's.
    Quote Originally Posted by SIR sparks a lot View Post
    remember opinions are like assholes everybody will have one
    Here lies the body of Dorian Grey
    Who died while defending his right of way;
    He was right, oh so right, as he journeyed along
    But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong



  8. #8
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Motorbike
    .
    Liked
    1569 times
    Posts
    5,604
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    22 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Since 2012, the fatal accident rate for motorcyclists (per 10,000 riders) in Vic and SA has been better or the same as WA. Roads in the eastern states are considerably more technical and in worse condition than WA.

  9. #9
    Member Ev's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Motorbike
    Electric bicycle
    Liked
    28 times
    Posts
    1,163
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    It would be nice to have more Evidence based policies and procedures from Government, licensing and Policing, the L plate differences are probably a good thing to write to your politician about to reduce bureaucracy and make motorcycling in WA less elitist and more accessible.

    It's also mind numbing that Transport, Policing and a few other bureaucracies aren't federally handled rather than every state having their own duplication of services which must be costing the country a staggering sum of money and lost opportunity compared with more efficiently governed countries.
    Likes Mr Bean liked this post

  10. #10
    Member agrid's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Liked
    2779 times
    Posts
    13,969
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    53 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    In California if you fluke the theory you get a paper provisional license to drive around for 12 months before you have to sit the practical. No shadow, no L plates, no nothing. Who the hell couldn't figure out how to drive in 12 months. You would either become competent or get killed.
    -
    Likes shortSteve liked this post

  11. #11
    Member dwillia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Nollamara
    Motorbike
    MT 07
    Liked
    0 times
    Posts
    249
    Post Thanks / Like

    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    in the UK you used to be able to ride on a provisional licence as long as you liked. Rules have probably changed now though

  12. #12
    Member INTJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Scottsdale, Arizona & Perth, WA
    Motorbike
    None for now.
    Liked
    247 times
    Posts
    2,407
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    12 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Dealer View Post
    You don't need a shadow in South Australia, Victoria or NSW (Not sure about ACT or Tasmania, but who really cares?)

    There are restrictions and rules.

    Eg. In NSW cannot exceept 90kph and cannot ride between midnight and 5am.

    In Victoria the learner must wear a hi-vis vest.


    What are your thoughts on this system vs requiring a shadow in WA?
    If I didn't need a shadow (or if I ignored the law) I would have had a lot more practice and become a competent rider much sooner. I lived a 5 minute ride away from the large empty parking lot that all bike instructors in my area use (Ocean Reef Marina) and all I wanted to do each day was get down there and try, fail, try again on my bike... I would have also probably got my license 15 years ago when money became the obstacle due to high cost of lessons. Earn $80 per week... lessons cost at least $50... go figure.

    Maybe under 25's and/or people without a currently held car license need a shadow, but once you get a bit older and less impulsive and have been on the roads in a car for a few years, it's safe to say you're probably not as likely to go completely bat-shit-crazy on your bike L's than your younger self.
    Likes Water pig, Speed Dealer liked this post

  13. #13
    Member nos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    NoR
    Motorbike
    KTM 390 Duke | KTM 250 EXC-F
    Liked
    0 times
    Posts
    1,167
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    23 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Too many rules. Life has a 100% mortality rate. More lions in sidecars I say.

    Likes Hillz, dossie_84 liked this post

  14. #14
    Member Para045's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    City of Wanneroo
    Motorbike
    98 TITANIUM CBR1100XX SUPERBLACKBIRD
    Liked
    1150 times
    Posts
    14,313
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    56 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I think the current system is a preferable one from a safety point of view although the eastern states way would be likely to give more time on the roads Possibly a combination of the 2 with a 2 stage learning process whereby you need to do xx hours under instruction/supervision before being allowed to go by themselves but maybe restricted to 50kmh zones
    #1 Gold Ticket Holder for the Barfridge Fan Club
    Quote Originally Posted by Phildo View Post
    Noted. We'll check back on that one in three years
    Quote Originally Posted by filbert View Post
    i'll pretend you didn't know she was 13

    98 BADASS TITANIUM BLACKBIRD - Past bikes 1982 XS250 Yamaha & 1983 CB750F with 900 motor
    Ozblackbird.net Administrator
    Likes Thomas Peel liked this post

  15. #15
    Member dwillia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Nollamara
    Motorbike
    MT 07
    Liked
    0 times
    Posts
    249
    Post Thanks / Like

    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I just got my R learners

    It would be great for me to be able to get time on a R bike without having to have a shadow/instructor - daylight hours, 60km/hr (HA!) speed limited

    if I haven't fallen off my MT07 in 12 months I'm probably not going to fall off an MT09

    or am I

    BUM BUM BAAAAAAM!

  16. #16
    Member filbert's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Bunbury
    Motorbike
    Harley Davidson FXSB, Ducati 916S, Piaggio MP3 250
    Liked
    5055 times
    Posts
    15,831
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    54 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by dwillia View Post
    I just got my R learners

    It would be great for me to be able to get time on a R bike without having to have a shadow/instructor - daylight hours, 60km/hr (HA!) speed limited

    if I haven't fallen off my MT07 in 12 months I'm probably not going to fall off an MT09

    or am I

    BUM BUM BAAAAAAM!
    You're not supposed to say it out loud, it summons the skid demon.

    Now you're going to have to perform an exorcism on your new bike before you can ride it.
    Do you remember the good old days before the internet?

    when arguments were only entered into by the physically or intellectually able.

  17. #17
    Member dwillia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Nollamara
    Motorbike
    MT 07
    Liked
    0 times
    Posts
    249
    Post Thanks / Like

    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I don't have a new bike yet .... does that let me off the hook?

  18. #18
    Member Para045's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    City of Wanneroo
    Motorbike
    98 TITANIUM CBR1100XX SUPERBLACKBIRD
    Liked
    1150 times
    Posts
    14,313
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    56 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by dwillia View Post
    I don't have a new bike yet .... does that let me off the hook?
    Yeah all good crash away
    #1 Gold Ticket Holder for the Barfridge Fan Club
    Quote Originally Posted by Phildo View Post
    Noted. We'll check back on that one in three years
    Quote Originally Posted by filbert View Post
    i'll pretend you didn't know she was 13

    98 BADASS TITANIUM BLACKBIRD - Past bikes 1982 XS250 Yamaha & 1983 CB750F with 900 motor
    Ozblackbird.net Administrator
    Likes dwillia liked this post

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •