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    Quote Originally Posted by pnork View Post
    Yes, always wise to be doing 240+ in amongst group 2.. Just saying..
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    Quote Originally Posted by pnork View Post
    Yes, always wise to be doing 240+ in amongst group 2.. Just saying..
    You obviously don't know the story...just saying...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboR1 View Post
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    I don't think there's any point in arguing with you - you are of the belief that it's safe, and your right to go as fast as you like, no matter the speed/skill level of others on the track. I, on the other hand believe that it's dangerous to be walloping around the track at the speeds you were doing when there's slow, inexperienced (and unpredictable) riders on the track.

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    You obviously don't know the story...just saying...
    I was there at the time.
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    Pretty sure I was doing 240+ on my ZX12... In Group 1!
    I also thought that was the whole point of "taking it to the track".
    If there was an issue, I'm sure Grin would have said take it easy, not "god that bike moves"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple View Post
    Pretty sure I was doing 240+ on my ZX12... In Group 1!
    And that's fine, but if you're seriously out-riding the others in the group, you should be moved up to a faster group.
    In this case, it was an instructor - who races, riding to his capabilities in amongst a group of slower, less experienced riders. The place? sure. The time? Probably not.
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    You can do whatever speed you like at the track however you need to have situational awareness of the riders around you and if you make a mistake the consequences can be catastrophic. Just like on the road it's wise to ride to the conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pnork View Post
    And that's fine, but if you're seriously out-riding the others in the group, you should be moved up to a faster group.
    In this case, it was an instructor - who races, riding to his capabilities in amongst a group of slower, less experienced riders. The place? sure. The time? Probably not.
    Just because you can ride fast in a straight line, doesn't mean that you can go fast around the corners, are predictable and ride good lines etc.

    Coaches have a hard time keeping an eye on everyone on the circuit and running fast to catch back up to a certain rider isn't a problem. It's possible that Turbo may have still hit that rider going slow on the back straight if he was 'only' doing 200. I'm sure there were many factors that lead to the incident, but the main point was that hitting someone with a big speed differential is never good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboR1 View Post
    Also here's a full lap with a drone fly-over to give a better perspective of the track and the changes in place/being made....

    Very nice vid Robin.
    Watching the overhead, I couldn't help wonder what it would be like if the track was detoured through the old pit lane.

    Come out of the left hander T4, into Skyline T5, small straight, then a quick right left, squirt, left right, then into the basin.
    Depending how you entered/exited skyline could set you up for the "bus stop"
    If you take that back a step, could even start lining up from T4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedTrip View Post
    Very nice vid Robin.
    Watching the overhead, I couldn't help wonder what it would be like if the track was detoured through the old pit lane.

    Come out of the left hander T4, into Skyline T5, small straight, then a quick right left, squirt, left right, then into the basin.
    Depending how you entered/exited skyline could set you up for the "bus stop"
    If you take that back a step, could even start lining up from T4.
    There's a few of us have been saying that for ages Rob, a very simple fix to slow the basin entry speed down! There are 2 things you can do if the walls are too close for a given speed - move the walls or slow the entry speed, not rocket science!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pnork View Post
    And that's fine, but if you're seriously out-riding the others in the group, you should be moved up to a faster group.
    In this case, it was an instructor - who races, riding to his capabilities in amongst a group of slower, less experienced riders. The place? sure. The time? Probably not.
    The issue was in fact that there was a 1 rider who should not have been in that group and should have been bumped down into Grp 1 as he was no where near the capabilities required to be in with the level 2's. He was a cause of debate between us coaches for the most part of the day. (and also afterwards in hospital as well).

    The very last session for any group after a full day on the track, taking in instruction and being thoroughly exhausted for most is(or at least was) typically one where the coaches simply step back and let the guys and gals just get on with it as very little else can be taken in by them after a day of sensory overload. And is also one where the coaches can let their hair down a bit and show the guys on track what is actually possible and hopefully inspire others to see a target of ability to aim for.

    Also by the end of the day everyone's lines are (hopefully) where they should be. As such a faster rider can easily manoeuvre around riders 10-15sec slower/lap. So when you are going down the back straight and see a line of riders far left (where they should be) all doing about 200+ and even 2-3 wide and you go far right the last thing you expect on the other side of a crest is another bike (let alone another coach) doing 60 on the fastest part of the track, at the one point where no one should ever be. Basically the equivalent of having a car pull out onto the track.

    The whole point of going to the track is to go as fast as you can.

    But if would like to continue to use an incident that occurred due to a freak combination of circumstances and set yourself up on a dais built on a considerable amount of financial and physical pain of both myself and Doug then go right ahead.
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    Trying to think of a wise and sincere signature quote, but the only words that leap to mind are, "TITTY SPRINKLES"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grin View Post
    There's a few of us have been saying that for ages Rob, a very simple fix to slow the basin entry speed down! There are 2 things you can do if the walls are too close for a given speed - move the walls or slow the entry speed, not rocket science!
    We've been WAtching the same layout since (WASCC history years of running Barbs) a slightly new layout might be a good change.
    And might negate some of the issues, slower entry into skyline and the basin.

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    I would liked it if after the esses the track went a bit further to the right and down hill into a hairpin left before firing back up hill and into skyline.
    Trying to think of a wise and sincere signature quote, but the only words that leap to mind are, "TITTY SPRINKLES"

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    From the video i saw after the incident TurboR1 was left with the only real option of taking the suckers gap between two riders as he crested the hill at the normal speed anyone would crest the hill. While attempting to manage that the sucker gap closed and TurboR1 attempted to go the other side of the rider changing lines.

    Dealing with the excessively slow rider right at that point in time was handled very poorly and setup any rider cresting the hill at normal speed for a poor outcome.

    Where ever possible don't take the suckers gap but above all else for fuck sake don't leave a suckers gap as the only option for a following rider when your +100kp/h slower than a mediocre rider would be doing at that point on the track.

    Yes it is the following riders responsibility to safely overtake but give them half a chance and don't set them up to fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboR1 View Post
    go fist your own arse.
    What a nasty piece of work you really are.
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    Don't get me wrong I love being kicked while down... please continue.
    Trying to think of a wise and sincere signature quote, but the only words that leap to mind are, "TITTY SPRINKLES"

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboR1 View Post
    TLDR....
    Loved the punchline...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich... View Post
    Loved the punchline...
    Really? I thought it was immature and abusive.
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    I don't race, only watch racing, but isn't that where you're meant to be if you're going slow on track? Off the racing line? Back markers getting overtaken, riders with mechanical problems etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Dealer View Post
    I don't race, only watch racing, but isn't that where you're meant to be if you're going slow on track? Off the racing line? Back markers getting overtaken, riders with mechanical problems etc.
    Yes but a slow rider where he should be pretty much on the left side of the track and a coach pretty much on the right trying to communicate to him at the fastest part of the track is just plain dumb.

    TurboR1 crested the hill no different to how any other rider would expecting the track to be clear. It would likely have gone badly for anyone with the situation he found himself in.
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    Is there reasonably free access at the moment for folks to drop by and go for a wander about?
    Was thinking of heading up and walking around past the hill/skyline for a nosey...

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