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    Quote Originally Posted by Benzo View Post
    Perhaps the government could give your business the same tax breaks and incentives they give to big business.

    Perhaps your real estate company could reevaluate the rent they charge. Perhaps the government could stop taxing your real estate company the amount they do.

    Perhaps your suppliers could reevaluate their prices to you and your stock par levels. Perhaps the government could stop taxing your suppliers the amount they do.

    Or perhaps the government could take the easiest option and attack your most vulnerable staff, who can least afford it, with pay cuts.
    its pretty much at rock bottom now, my supplier sends me a bumper,he made $40 then he delivers it to me ,then i get 3.2 hours to paint it @58.55, the paint clear and primer cost $75.00 and it costs me $60 to fire up the booth and paint it.the i call the car in and it takes 1.2 hrs at $29.50 to remove the old one,put that in the bin that costs $33 a week.
    if i had 10 a day to do ,well, ok, i'd be buzy but when the music stops and ive paid the rent,gst,electric ate and paid my mortgage meh lol

    im off to the pub to play pool,its cooler there !!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Benzo View Post
    Perhaps the government could give your business the same tax breaks and incentives they give to big business.

    Perhaps your real estate company could reevaluate the rent they charge. Perhaps the government could stop taxing your real estate company the amount they do.

    Perhaps your suppliers could reevaluate their prices to you and your stock par levels. Perhaps the government could stop taxing your suppliers the amount they do.

    Or perhaps the government could take the easiest option and attack your most vulnerable staff, who can least afford it, with pay cuts.
    would you rather have a knife fight with a navy seal or a vegan hippy that lives off the land.

    GovCo will always pick on the little guy. coz more often than not they cannot defend themselves
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny D View Post
    would you rather have a knife fight with a navy seal or a vegan hippy that lives off the land.

    GovCo will always pick on the little guy. coz more often than not they cannot defend themselves
    That's.. the point I was already making

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    How about rather than going after workers barely getting by, the government takes a look at the top ten Australian companies who paid no fucking tax in 2015.

    Qantas Airways, earned $14.9 billion

    GHP 104 160 689 Pty Ltd, earned $11.731 billion

    ExxonMobil Australia, earned $9.617 billion

    Lend Lease Corporation, earned $7.683 billion

    Citic Resources, earned $5.051 billion

    Mitsubishi Development, earned $4.615 billion

    Glencore Investment, earned $4.612 billion

    Hope Downs Marketing, earned $4.445 billion

    Virgin Australia, earned $4.3 billion

    General Motors Australia, earned $4.138 billion

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-e...17-glpr80.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Shabadoo View Post
    explain why people are so hard done by? retailers are making razor thin margins now, and there is no 'sunday tax' on products..
    Its the chicken and the egg scenario, can't keep looking after the big end of town.

    Now the little guy has no money so his not making the big end more money.
    Poor people spend, rich people don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Shabadoo View Post
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    i no longer do that.. i work about 12 hours a day, 7 days a week
    You're doing it wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by chew View Post
    That is the case they have been arguing though, "We will employ more people, it will make Perth a booming metropolis of cosmopolitan delights", not "We will pocket the extra $$$'s.

    So it is false pretence.

    Its the same case they squeal every time the minimum wage is adjusted. "News" services that approach REIWA for advice on the housing market to they ever advise not to buy? Their members make money on people turning stuff over they don't give a rats if the buyer/seller make or loose money on the transaction providing there are transactions its all good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Shabadoo View Post
    I'm afraid I have never understood why the notional sat/sun weekend is held on such a pedestal that one is doubly compensated.
    Judeo Christian beliefs.

    Bring in the Islamic caliphate I say.

    Or even better ignore all of their bullshit.
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    Firstly, its not the government that did this but some "independent" body...

    There was some fucktard on the radio from the commerce council? this afternoon going on how it was unfair that some workers were "privileged" enough to work on PUBLIC holidays whilst others missed out. He said this drop might mean that more get "the opportunity" to work on public

    holidays. He then went on about how much retail people earn and compared it to the amount workers earn in BALI!! He said this cut wasn't enough so be prepared for more cuts in the future.

    As for more shops opening and hiring more people...this fucktard said public rates were around $52/hr and this change would "only" cost the worker $5/hr.

    So if a shop is open for 8 hours they will save $40 per worker per shift. So I am guessing you would need to have at least 10 staff members? to make opening worthwhile (ie you have saved $400) Not exactly "small business" and definitely won't increase staff numbers at already open

    establishments. They are called penalty rates for a reason.. If you can't make a profit on a public holiday, your establishment sucks and maybe you shouldn't be in business.

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    Everything should be open seven days a week. Flat rate of pay.

    You should get four paid days off a year for religious/athiest/walkabout reasons so we can cancel Christmas and Easter public hols.

    We can make Australia great again.

    Now get back on the oars and piper, beat that drum faster.

    p.s. I come from a family of shift/on call workers and farmers. WTF are these weekends people talk of?
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    I don't get the fuss.

    The people I see working Sundays don't appear to do anything different to the people working Mondays. Why should they get more?

    I don't see the correlation to "the Government is evil" or "our PM is a millionaire so of course"

    Had Sunday trading been a thing back when I was a lowly grocery boy I would have cherished the opportunity to work an extra day at my STANDARD rate of pay since I was in school the 5 other days. I only had 2 days I could work and shops were only open for 1 of them.

    4hrs Thursday night and 6hrs Saturday was the best I could do - adding 6hrs on Sunday would have been a welcome boost in pay for me.

    Seeing that is now an option for people, but that their 6hr Sunday shift is actually worth over 10hrs of standard pay - spoiled bastards.

    Give me a magic wand and I'd abolish penalty rates in an instant. They make no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barfridge View Post
    Creating a class of working poor always pays off so well, just look at America.

    Fucktards! I'm sick of the war on the poor that is going on, inequality is growing, trickle down economics is a sham, the rich are getting richer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJ View Post
    I don't get the fuss.

    The people I see working Sundays don't appear to do anything different to the people working Mondays. Why should they get more?
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    On weekends : people catch up
    : Your kids are home
    : sporting events to watch/ participate in take place
    : are used for recovery from a late night out
    : Long weekends allow for getaways
    : most? concerts occur on weekends (okay, this one is debatable)
    : we all go to church
    : The weekends are actually busier for many businesses, that means if you work a Saturday you actually do more work...(compare a Monday morning at jb-hifi to a Saturday there)

    and ultimately this is the thin end of the wedge...in 20 years time there might be no penalty rates for anything and EVERYONE might be working 6 days a week. Think about it, a business pays rent...if a shop is closed at 2am, its paying rent for nothing, better of being open if the wages are low enough.
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    [QUOTE=chew;3342240]Everything should be open seven days a week. Flat rate of pay.

    You should get four paid days off a year for religious/athiest/walkabout reasons so we can cancel Christmas and Easter public hols.

    We can make Australia great again.

    Now get back on the oars and piper, beat that drum faster.
    QUOTE]

    And the ice epidemic is due to the high incomes! How about we kill two birds with one stone and introduce mandatory 80 hr weeks at a flat rate of $1 an hour..EVERYONE will be employed! working 80 hr weeks will also guarantee a reduction in crime as everyone will be too exhausted to steal/light a bong/beat up an old lady.
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    If you do 4 hrs work on a monday,
    And 4 hrs work on a Sunday,

    Which day do you do more work?
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    You want to earn more for making coffee on a Sunday = you don't mind paying more for your coffee on a Sunday
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    So I assume the company's that charge a Sunday surcharge will be reducing that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robw View Post
    So I assume the company's that charge a Sunday surcharge will be reducing that?
    I would hope so
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halo_2 View Post
    Its the chicken and the egg scenario, can't keep looking after the big end of town.

    Now the little guy has no money so his not making the big end more money.
    Poor people spend, rich people don't.
    Yep, as Nick Hanauer says....

    The model for us rich guys here should be Henry Ford, who realized that all his autoworkers in Michigan werent only cheap labor to be exploited; they were consumers, too. Ford figured that if he raised their wages, to a then-exorbitant $5 a day, theyd be able to afford his Model Ts.

    What a great idea. My suggestion to you is: Lets do it all over again. Weve got to try something. These idiotic trickle-down policies are destroying my customer base. And yours too.


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