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    That's dangerously logical Rich...

    And why the motorbike community throwing money at a car club just won't work. That's why the current impasse, to which I see 2 ways forward:
    1. motorbikes go their own way
    2. cars and bikes jointly pay for and run a venue
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barfridge View Post
    That's dangerously logical Rich...

    And why the motorbike community throwing money at a car club just won't work. That's why the current impasse, to which I see 2 ways forward:
    1. motorbikes go their own way
    2. cars and bikes jointly pay for and run a venue
    So MCRCWA, MA, MWA build their own track...

    Or an independent body takes control of the current track for the good of all motorsports...
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    That's all fine and dandy. But does MWA have any money to go halves in a race track.

    I keep hearing about a track fund but little has come of it.
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    Its time for WA to have a Motorsports WA

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the PM View Post
    Yes the WASCC own the lease and the track which they built, paid for and maintained. As you would expect.
    Excuse me if this has been explained, I've honestly tried to follow and can't see it anywhere, and have asked in the past and not seen an answer but...
    I thought they were given the lease and allowed to build and maintain a track on the proviso that it was maintained as a facility for ALL motor sports. Is that correct?

    If it is correct then my next question is....
    Since it seems that the track is not currently in a condition suitable for bikes to use; doesn't that mean that WASCC haven't maintained the track for the use of ALL motor sports?

    If so, why isn't it up to WASCC to bring the track back to the required standard for ALL motor sports?

    I'm sorry if that over simplified things, but for me this seems pretty key to the whole thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crobbo View Post
    That's all fine and dandy. But does MWA have any money to go halves in a race track.

    I keep hearing about a track fund but little has come of it.
    I doubt it...

    So then you have to look to either Government or Private funding...

    I can't see Private funding being possible in the current economic climate...

    So that leaves Government funding...

    Which should only go to an Independent body for the good of all motorsport...

    But you knew I was going to say that...

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    I'd like to see the minutes/transcripts for the last 10 years from MWA to WASCC noting the requests for track improvements for motorcycles (if there was any apart from the noting of it on the track license inspection reports), and the WASCC's replies.

    I'm guessing the replies were chew 's no.3 answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich... View Post
    I doubt it...

    So then you have to look to either Government or Private funding...

    I can't see Private funding being possible in the current economic climate...

    So that leaves Government funding...

    Which should only go to an Independent body for the good of all motorsport...

    But you knew I was going to say that...
    It that you Rich... inshed 😜
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    The WASCC Committee in 2014 did say they they were working with Parks and Wildlife to obtain the adjacent land lease as a venue for a range of motorsports.

    They identified, with the assistance of DSR, a more "independent management structure was desirable."

    Cool! That must be the secret stuff they are not talking about.

    Nothing more to see here.

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    Maybe it's time for a psb poll ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the PM View Post
    Why are they not entitled to any government funds, the same as a multitude of other sports clubs which seem to have no problem getting funds for change rooms for a couple of dozen players?
    Because the multitude of other sports have a controlling body that has the interest of improving the sport as a whole not just one club as per government policy.

    The chew "Club of Shit Stirring Arseholes" (CSSA) has regularly applied for a grant for a cauldron and large wooden spoon and been knocked back because we need a controlling body but any meetings to that end dissolve into shit stirring each other for self interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the PM View Post
    To address the errors in the OP of this thread I offer the following information from the WASCC regarding funding received from Government bodies:

    "Late 1960s a loan of $150,000 was provided by the Shire of Wanneroo to assist with funding construction of the track. This loan was repaid in full by the WASCC.

    2004 WASCC received a grant to assist with the cost of resurfacing the track. This work cost $500,000 and the WA state government generously contributed nearly $130,000 of this.

    2011 V8SC infield pits – This was virtually forced upon the WASCC by the political clout of V8SC who demanded the facilities. WASCC had to provide approximately $1.5M itself towards the project. The arrangement was for WASCC to manage the project with any savings made through efficiencies and use of voluntary labour to be retained by WASCC for track improvements, including the grant of lease and initial development of the land North of Wattle Ave for future extension of the track.
    Unfortunately the WASCC committee at the time (aligned with MSWA), facing imminent defeat at the forthcoming AGM, returned approximately $2.5M to DSR stating “all required work was completed”

    I believe a retraction would be in order.
    Simply type "barbagallo raceway 15 million" into Google and see what pops up?

    Something like this comes up https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.a...Supercars.aspx

    "“The State Government recognised in 2010 that there was an urgent need to improve facilities here at Barbagallo and committed $15million to these redevelopments.
    “The drivers, their crews, race officials, the media and the public will notice big improvements.”
    Current construction work includes an in-field pit lane and garage facility; a pedestrian bridge to link the in-field and out-field; and a new out-field facility on the western side comprising driver briefing room and media interviewing area, media room, stewards’ facilities, race control, timing control, commentating and spectator viewing area, and raceway administration facilities."

    Showing the WA Govt committed $15 Million to the upgrades to Barbagallo Raceway which is run by the WASCC

    I am not sure why a retraction is required, the Government has put money into the track and the WASCC has gained benefit from infield garages, the medical centre etc and not just for the V8 Supercars.
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    I haven't been there myself, but by looking at it from google earth. Looks pretty bad IMO.

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    I was witness to the fact that was some form of motorsports activity on the track this afternoon around 1540 31/3/17...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Trident View Post
    I was witness to the fact that was some form of motorsports activity on the track this afternoon around 1540 31/3/17...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GsxInShed View Post
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    Definitely cars with afternoon sun reflecting off them.
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    In response to the thread title and reading the various reports etc, Yes, the sooner the better.

    Means we may end up with a multi use facility in the next five years.

    The WASCC can keep their track and a lot of motorsport users will then have a choice of tracks to wear their tyres evenly and the taxis can have a venue choice. Maybe one track each alternative year.
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    Well I must say the MWA AGM was a total waste of time. Absolutely nothing in the short term (not even for training purposes). They will not issue permits for Barbagello until ALL issues within the Hall Report have been addressed (if that's even possible), and nobody knows how long that will take. I don't think they've even worked out who's gonna pay for it, what needs to be done, or even if or when they are going to start. Further discussion's with DSR and WASCC are going be happening over the next week or so, basically nothing has changed for months (they're too busy passing the buck to get the job done).
    They made it clear they don't supply the track, they just license it and issue permits if they comply. Barbagello doesn't comply and apparently other tracks around Australia will come under the same scrutiny when applying their new guidelines over the next twelve months.
    +1 for a new organized organization to cover all Motorsports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chew View Post
    The WASCC can keep their track and a lot of motorsport users will then have a choice of tracks to wear their tyres evenly and the taxis can have a venue choice. Maybe one track each alternative year.
    The only reason for barriers is to keep people from getting to close/getting hit. Since spectator numbers at motorbike events are relatively low, a new venue can have one area for spectators and the rest of the track can be barrier free. Yes, in the far distance surrounding the track you need a fence to keep kangaroos, unicorns and that escaped quokka away, but this way, the majority of the track can be barrier free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by datsikk View Post
    The only reason for barriers is to keep people from getting to close/getting hit. Since spectator numbers at motorbike events are relatively low, a new venue can have one area for spectators and the rest of the track can be barrier free. Yes, in the far distance surrounding the track you need a fence to keep kangaroos, unicorns and that escaped quokka away, but this way, the majority of the track can be barrier free.
    They can save a fortune by removing all the bituman ( bitter men) and just have dirt ...that'll slow them down soooo much no fences will be needed..
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    Quote Originally Posted by datsikk View Post
    The only reason for barriers is to keep people from getting to close/getting hit. Since spectator numbers at motorbike events are relatively low, a new venue can have one area for spectators and the rest of the track can be barrier free. Yes, in the far distance surrounding the track you need a fence to keep kangaroos, unicorns and that escaped quokka away, but this way, the majority of the track can be barrier free.
    No.

    The idea would be to make it economically viable, that would mean attracting spectators.

    I have walked P.I., Eastern Creek, Bathurst, most of Barbs (Grrr) and some of Sepang (again, Grrr).

    If you build a decent track you will get events and spectators.
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    In addition to getting access to a decent track again, I'd really like to see a 1km drag event open to bikes in WA.

    While RAC had no issue with 200+ kmh on their tiny circuit when DTEC was open and someone is still covering Collie motorplex, RaceWars supposedly "can't get the insurance" for a straight line event at Albany airport with quite literally enough runoff for a 737.

    One of the organisers seems to have a chip on his shoulder about riders in general though



    Wyllie airstrip surface isn't really suited to bikes, but if something could be worked out with Albany airport or other similar venue that would be amazing. We could, uh, stupilate a new precident
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