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    good stuff, in my lay opinion, its mental confidence in the equipment that is hard to overcome (or rather the doubts - eg. expecting to slide off road when you hit some oily shit). if you've been practicing e-braking and rapid direction changes you'll know how little rain actually matters vs the capabilities of bike. would encourage you to learn what traction loss feels like though, you do get less warning when in wet, and muscle memory responses to a front/rear/both slide take a while. I still consider myself lucky when i recover them, which means am still surprised by em

    i love rain tho. the more torrential the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Shabadoo View Post
    good stuff, in my lay opinion, its mental confidence in the equipment that is hard to overcome (or rather the doubts - eg. expecting to slide off road when you hit some oily shit). if you've been practicing e-braking and rapid direction changes you'll know how little rain actually matters vs the capabilities of bike. would encourage you to learn what traction loss feels like though, you do get less warning when in wet, and muscle memory responses to a front/rear/both slide take a while. I still consider myself lucky when i recover them, which means am still surprised by em

    i love rain tho. the more torrential the better.
    The traction loss will always surprise you, if you knew it was going to happen you could likely take action beforehand and avoid it.

    I like to think I have a pretty good feel for where the limit is, and I work on the 70% rule in the wet (at your best in poor conditions, the vehicle will behave at 70% of its dry weather ability).

    Days like today (light overnight showers and greasy roads) are probably the worst imo.


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    when its wet i take the tard and slide about, sportbikes feel like riding a hippo with a broken front leg in the wet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Shabadoo View Post
    good stuff, in my lay opinion, its mental confidence in the equipment that is hard to overcome (or rather the doubts - eg. expecting to slide off road when you hit some oily shit). if you've been practicing e-braking and rapid direction changes you'll know how little rain actually matters vs the capabilities of bike. would encourage you to learn what traction loss feels like though, you do get less warning when in wet, and muscle memory responses to a front/rear/both slide take a while. I still consider myself lucky when i recover them, which means am still surprised by em

    i love rain tho. the more torrential the better.
    Yeah I used to love it when I was younger, would get out on my old CB900F and love nothing better than spinning the rear up and drifting it through bends, I'm a little less inclined to take as many risks these days and still don't have an issue riding in the rain but don't seek it out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graelin View Post
    Agreed, a group of us organised Friday Night Rides in Melville. The only rule was not to piss of locals where we went. We spent a lot of time with new riders trying to show them good riding at a safe speed. After that we would have dinner then the experienced riders would take off for a spirited ride (yes after one and a half hours of assisting we did feel we had our own needs too). While many took it in the spirit we got grizzles about us having our own ride, riders on Hyosung using extreme hanging off at push bike speeds. Try and give advice on how not to upset your bike going into corners etc was met negatively. One was more interested in riding slow concentrating on setting up his Go Pro then posting speeded up video on the internet to make it look lie we were hooning! We then banned go pro and you would think that the world had ended.

    We GAVE UP.
    Camera's are an awesome educational tool.

    Get one out and it encourages riders to start crashing. Young riders can then learn how not to ride. There is a veritable encyclopedia of how not to ride videos right here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYxU...7A2492C0B9CBFF
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    Meanwhile I wonder how the rider concerned in this thread is fairing.
    The only thing wrong with a perfect ride to work is that you end up at work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Trident View Post
    Meanwhile I wonder how the rider concerned in this thread is fairing.
    According to 9 news just now, his condition improved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Trident View Post
    Meanwhile I wonder how the rider concerned in this thread is fairing.
    And that's one of the problems with PSB. Someone does us a favour by demonstrating how not to ride and people get wound up about others discussing what they could have done better. It's always the riders' fault.
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    I have found there isnt sufficient time to think about what you should or shouldn't be doing...as Joe Shabadoo says muscle memory is the only sure way and for that you need to experience the situation regularly.

    The Yanks have a course for new riders...even returning riders to take...shame our government is interested in cash collection...maybe its about time there was something similar here...say out of the road trauma fund...better the prevention than the cure.
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    Ummm...all we know is that a bike collided with a bus?? How do you learn from that...without knowing any details whatsoever?? Just curious.
    Best wishes to the rider.
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    If you ride defensively you can anticipate what others might do...given that at least three recent bike related accidents have been others faults... its a good habit to practice.
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    accidents involving bikes tend to funnel into situations that in some cases are fatal.

    avoid the funnel.....
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    My deepest commiseration to those who have been hurt.
    The instructors are teaching roadcraft and defensive riding as part of the new rider training courses let's not belittle what the instructors do after all they are increasing our numbers and in turn our visibility out there.
    We all enhance our survival skills over time and have close shaves to become the "proficient motorcyclists" we are now. As it was explained to me many years ago - Our problems as road users are quite unique in that minor mistakes or poor decisions often have disproportionate consequences amongst other road traffic this can very quickly resemble a jar of strawberry jam dropped from a great height.
    As to the suggestion that we "grizzly old b'stards" teach the youngsters out there to ride better, how's that going to work with insurance and liability. I can just see it now, honest your honour I was just trying to make a better rider of them it's not my fault they crashed trying to keep up!
    Ride defensively, ride to the conditions, realise that you are invisible to everyone else then expect to get aggressive action against you because motorcyclists are intimidating and you may just survive to ride another day.
    I don't do rain
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    Quote Originally Posted by BusaSteve View Post
    If you ride defensively you can anticipate what others might do...given that at least three recent bike related accidents have been others faults... its a good habit to practice.
    Thank you. I agree...defensive riding is the way to go. And I have also observed that some accidents are not the fault of the rider and despite all best efforts... riders are down and hurt.
    What frustrates me about threads like this... is the generalisation and pontification.
    We don't know exactly what circumstances put this particular rider in such dire circumstances.
    I hope he and/or his friends aren't too upset by all the pontificating in this post.
    Yes...learn from others mistakes.
    But I would hope others would find out exactly what the circumstances were before you tell us that someone has shown us how not to ride.
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    So um is it - a bus is coming, looks like rain or its raining, take the bus?

    Any help here is appreciated ta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Para045 View Post
    Yeah I used to love it when I was younger, would get out on my old CB900F and love nothing better than spinning the rear up and drifting it through bends, I'm a little less inclined to take as many risks these days and still don't have an issue riding in the rain but don't seek it out
    yah, i hear you !

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    Quote Originally Posted by potato View Post
    yah, i hear you !

    i'd love to watch that wise old sage ryanoSAURUS watch and follow TurboR1 round mundaring wier rd,on a fine and sunny sunday,hate to make it to hard on anyone!

    joe SHABBADOO, Jamathi and Skut, oh and Sprint would have to be must haves !

    Stoneville ,s andy would be good to have along

    check ya diaries peeps and post up feedback

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