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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the PM View Post
    Did you get the emails from MCRC last week and today?
    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the PM View Post
    Did you get the emails from MCRC last week and today?
    Only found bland members brief on the site... re; "bikes returning to Barbs..."

    Is that what you were on about... Tim?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marras View Post
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    Cut/paste from the MCRCWA letter (16 October 2017):

    Please find attached a report on last Friday nights Presentation regarding Barbagallo Raceway, presented by the WA Sporting Car Club General Manager, Andrew Stachewicz

    Here is an overview

    Working towards a return to Barbagallo… the last six months or so in brief.

    A lot has been happening at Barbagallo Raceway since the meeting held at WASCC on May 25th, 2017. At this meeting - attended by the Minister for Sport, Mick Murray, Chris Hall of Hall Technical, representatives from MA, MWA, DSR, CoW, MCRCWA and WNOTB – the WASCC put forward a proposal for a staged return to motorcycle activity at the track.

    The initial stages of this proposal involved finding a way to reduce the speed profile in certain areas of the circuit to reflect the speed suggestions in the Hall Report. The aim of stages one and two in the proposal was to enable rider training of the type provided by RidedaysWA and Trakdayz – levels one to three – to return to the circuit.

    For Racing to continue further engineering assessment is required to address parts of the Hall Report, which Steve Brake is working on.

    In early July a working group was established under the direction of WASCC. This group initially comprised of four accredited motorcycle coaches, a consultant engineer and members of WASCC. This was the earliest date that the consultant engineer, approved by MA, was available. The fundamental aim of this group was to find a way to reduce speed in specific areas of the circuit using physical structures that in themselves did not create additional concerns. The areas identified requiring speed ‘modification’ were the exit of T1, the entry into T3, the exit of T5, the entry into T6 and the exit of T7. This was no simple challenge.

    The process of identifying what would work, by way of apex-shifting ‘chicane’ modules, was tested at the circuit using members of the working group riding 600/1000cc motorcycles with cones (witch’s hats) placed at key locations and speeds recorded via a radar ‘gun’ and data logging from the bikes themselves. The working group was expanded to include another two riders – an A grade racer and a B grade racer/accredited coach.

    Three full days, over a period of a month, of testing various layout options and assessing the resulting speed profiles/bike data enabled the consultant engineer to provide locations and sizes of the various modules required to achieve the aim.

    Interestingly, the consultant engineer observed that the experiential feedback from the riders during these tests was essential. As an example, purely from an engineering perspective – placing a tests was essential. As an example, purely from an engineering perspective – placing a chicane on the exit of T5 seemed reasonable. The rider feedback concerning forward vision, camber and speed profile at that location made it very clear that this was not a good idea.

    The ‘chicane modules’ themselves required a lot of consideration and design. They needed to be a temporary visual and physical change to the circuit that would not cause an issue if a motorcycle was to be ridden over them in error. The design was tested, on the wettest day imaginable, by one of the working group riding a motorcycle at speed across it, on the track, several times without issue.

    The experiential feedback from the working group motorcyclists was that this solution was one that did not detract from the experience of riding Barbagallo as much as initially feared.
    These modules have now all been fabricated and are ready to use and the engineering report – commissioned by WASCC – has been submitted to MA for consideration.

    The report from Steve Brake was submitted to MA on Monday 9/10/17. MA came back Friday morning 13/10/17 with a couple of queries requesting the data, asking for the expected Air fence lengths and positions, to which the WASCC provided a response to straight away.

    Works for January haven’t been fully planned yet, pending MA response, although the arrestor bed at Turn 5 will be added, as well as the tyres on the wall on the entry to 6 are to be removed, and the replacement wall will be 15-25m further back than the existing position.

    WASCC confirmed that if any significant works are required, CAM’s won’t allow their license via the existing “grandfather clause” to continue, which means that other things would need to be addressed as well before it could be licensed again, hence why we are waiting for clarification from MA.

    Now we wait for a reply from MA regarding the report and, hopefully, will be back on track soon.
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    TLDR: Relocate to P.I. if you're into racing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprint View Post
    Cut/paste from the MCRCWA letter (16 October 2017

    WASCC confirmed that if any significant works are required, CAM’s won’t allow their license via the existing “grandfather clause” to continue, which means that other things would need to be addressed as well before it could be licensed again, hence why we are waiting for clarification from MA.

    Now we wait for a reply from MA regarding the report and, hopefully, will be back on track soon.
    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by GsxInShed View Post
    Only found bland members brief on the site... re; "bikes returning to Barbs..."

    Is that what you were on about... Tim?
    No, they sent several emails to all members inviting to, and then summarising a meeting last Friday.

    I guess I'd assumed that everyone commenting were members of the MCRC

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    It's the last paragraph which is the problem not the efforts of Mcrcwa to get the track back open. All of the work to test and support for bikes to return is spot on. It's then the next bit with grandfather clauses which will be the issue. January works with clauses.... Won't be open next year. Collie and country TT here I come.


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    So is there anymore information or are MA still replying to WASCC?

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    I rang MWA yesterday arvo, From what I have been told, the data from recent tests is with the engineer before going back to MA.
    Mind you this could be chinese whispers as Rick has said that he isn't really part of the loop and MA and WASCC are talking directly.

    I've emailed peter at MA with a few questions, nothing really got answered in his reply though.
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    Seeing as the other thread is closed.

    Why aren't all those racers that told the people that don't race to shut their mouth jumping up and down at MA for not trying to get the sport back on track?

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    coz Perth ^^^
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    Yeh man they'll never close the track ayyyyyyyyy.
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    meanwhile is bizzaroworld...

    Things are happening quietly at Collie.

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    seems MA has posted up on their website. http://ma.org.au/index.php?id=12&tx_...009ece0e3c7cd1

    More finger pointing and posturing between WASCC/MA. Interestingly though is the low turn speeds in the second report (don't think anyone has a copy of it?). The speeds which Hall fed back on do seem low. I was far from race pace doing 63-64 and my gps logging shows me doing higher, dunno about the G forces though.

    Not saying MA are golden at all, they're a fuckin disgrace. But seems WASCC haven't been as open as they should?

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    The latest data had additions to the track to change the riding line and slow it down considerably. I'm not sold on the G forces though, I think they cherry picked that number (why else would you bother quoting it). Quote "The acceleration level from exiting the chicane to entering Turn 3 is listed as 0.2g, which is very low." if this is straight line acceleration entering into a modified turn 3, it doesn't sound too bad. It's almost like they misrepresented the data by quoting it out of context.

    I can't fault WASCC for anything yet and I was certainly not on their side at the start of all this. MA just want to push the blame around, everyone should be emailing them, calling them and asking them to stop acting so bloody childish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Trident View Post
    It's now obvious that things have not gone as many might have predicted.
    Nah, it's gone pretty much the exact way I expected it to.

    But I've lived here for 35 years and have witnessed enough things disappear to not be shocked or surprised by it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Shabadoo View Post
    More finger pointing and posturing between WASCC/MA.
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    I can't fault WASCC for anything yet and I was certainly not on their side at the start of all this. MA just want to push the blame around, everyone should be emailing them, calling them and asking them to stop acting so bloody childish.
    Despite this, WASCC continue to maintain that the revised MA Track Guidelines are required to complete testing and modifications at Barbagallo. This is incorrect. The updated MA Track Guidelines will align with the recommendations in the Hall Report
    Does sound a bit like MA are doing a bit of blurring the lines and playing smoke and mirrors, ie they are saying the Hall Report states the track is safe and MA have no need to redo their Track Guidelines Nice get out of Gaol free card if shit hits the fan, they just blame Hall
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    The collie extensions and resurfacing looks so good. Heads up on ridedays in mid feb. Don't worry about barbs.... I like going left anyway! My gut is that it'll be better than barbs... If you have a trailer or do the hills run down then sweet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Mel View Post
    The collie extensions and resurfacing looks so good. Heads up on ridedays in mid feb. Don't worry about barbs.... I like going left anyway! My gut is that it'll be better than barbs... If you have a trailer or do the hills run down then sweet.


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    I think the new Collie track will be much more interesting than BarbagalloMennonite challenging to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Mel View Post
    The collie extensions and resurfacing looks so good. Heads up on ridedays in mid feb. Don't worry about barbs.... I like going left anyway! My gut is that it'll be better than barbs... If you have a trailer or do the hills run down then sweet.


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    cannot wait. it will be a better track than barbs, from a 600 perspective pity its about 20 times as far to get to though but in my mind its worth it.

    wascc and MA can bicker about how much money needs to be spent. who knows maybe in a few years they'll start moving walls back?

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