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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    Because in this rare situation, "the best of their ability" removed the advantage that he should have received.

    The subtle difference, is that they don't rejoin at the back (ie LAST spot) - they rejoin at the NEXT AVAILABLE grid place. So there could still be 10 empty spots behind them.

    Let's do it one at a time.

    Let's say ONLY the person in P2 makes a change.
    He goes to the NEXT (not last) available spot at the back of the grid - but the rest of the grid doesn't move up a spot. Do they?

    Now, let's take the person in P3, and shuffle them back to the NEXT available spot.

    Now lets keep working our way down the grid.
    What happens is, the gap between P1 and the next person, gets larger.

    But they didn't have enough spots to cater for the whole grid to reposition further back (the grid would have needed an extra 15 or so spots at a guess).
    So, they did it in reverse.
    They STARTED at the back (as far as they could), and worked their way forward.

    The result being, his advantage was less than it should have been.

    If it were only the person in P2, he wouldn't have a big advantage - but that's because the rest of the field also took the gamble.

    But, if you're the ONLY guy... you should be 'rewarded' accordingly.

    They did their best, it wasn't good enough, and so Chew's idea would probably have been better to simulate starting from the pits - but in a safer fashion.

    (That all sounds right in my head - but I will have to look at the Argentina grid to see if it ultimately would have made any difference).
    Miller finished 4 seconds back to Crutchlow and Zarco, about a second and half from Rins. If everyone was pushed back the correct amount it's still very unlikely he had the pace to keep ahead of them. He couldn't hope for much more than a second advantage from the start. If Marquez hadn't been given a ride through it wouldn't have mattered.

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    You said you didn't understand why people were butt hurt.
    It's because he wasn't given the opportunity that we feel he deserved for making a risky/gutsy choice - against the entire grid.

    Your "it wouldn't have mattered anyway" position is based on the known outcome.
    Things may have been VERY different if they all had to fight it out a bit longer at the start.

    Maybe he would have preserved his tyre better.
    Felt more relaxed and made less errors.
    Maybe Marc wouldn't stall and would have won by 30 seconds.
    We won't know.

    Hopefully they learn from it.

    It was a debacle.

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    Post from another forum, I had a hard time disagreeing with much of this TBH.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jumkie View Post
    I should have known it would be a notorious event after my phone blew up from friends asking if I had “watched the race yet!!??!!” Guarding me from spoiling the event, despite offering scintillating cryptic hints about the race, inevitably providing little clues, but damn, this was way more than I expected. I barely got around to watch yesterday, which in hindsight was an eternity, one day removed from this race that undoubtedly will be seared in memory.

    I suppose I’ll start from the beginning, which in this case, ‘is the end’, pun intended in more ways than one, but for starters, 60+ pages in, ah man, I’ll go back and read when I have the time (which lately is no-time). I’m sure some of the takes have already been said, but here is my offering.

    Hi-Jacked

    Jack Miller should file a police report, because he got raced JACKED! Speaking of the “authorities”, what an absolute cluster of comedy filled armature hour, race officials running around like chicken little-shits with their heads cut off to solve the sky was falling when in fact a problem did NOT actually exist. Ultimately the tail waged the dog, so let us walk this dog back a bit and examine the faulty decsion that the start of the race must be delayed for “safety”. If I’ve learned one thing from following this sport it is that when the organizer’s start throwing the word “safety” it usually means something else, most often it means they need to adjust for something of a rolling-rulebook to appease someone totally unrelated to safety. The race was declared a “wet race”; flag-to-flag rules apply, this hasn’t changed, there was no need to rubbish the establish protocols, so why did they do it? Are there not established rules in place for proper pit lane exiting procedures and bike swaps? Of course there are, and the riders are required to follow them or suffer the consequences of ‘penalties’ (a word being thrown around quite a bit to leverage agendas). The first wrong decision was to declare there was a problem and therefore it required a ‘delay’ of start; there was in fact no ‘act-of-god’ condition that was a safety concern dangerous enough to delay the start on time! The delay effectively jacked Jack and his team’s assertive decision to contest the race based on their technical choices! Is this not the spirit of competition, live and die by your decisions on technical matters and reap the benefits or suffer the consequences of those choices? There is no special dispensation for a mob that has made the wrong choice to be given a reprieve at the 11th hour. The lights go out, ready or not!

    The delay undoubtedly changed the winner of the race (more on this later). It was an artificial outcome based on a decision not made by riders in consultation with their own team of technicians (for which supposedly competition is designed) but rather a cluster of incompetent officials with various motives appeasing and bailing-out a throng of riders who had made the wrong decision.

    It should be noted that Jack Miller, thee person with the most clear grievance, has handled this situation with elegance and grace, qualities which had previously not been readily associated with him; sharply contrasted with the utter shameless and shameful drama that has ensued, particularly by the supposed statesman of the category, Rossi, including the gutless media that enables this disgraceful GP culture, and the Cult of Bopperism that is a fascinating case study of religious unhinged delusion (more on that later).

    MotoFOX (pronounced MotoFucks)

    The sport’s media (bloggers, commentators, writers, and supposed “journalist” and prominent voices) have once again collectively demonstrated they are effectively a DORNA sponsored institution based on the politics of popularity. When they’re not engaging in newspeak, they are parroting the company talking points, disseminating these for consumption aimed at naïve yellow sheep; though this time there seems to be an element of competition amongst these “reporters”, the game seems to be: who can out-do their hyperbole of declaring Marc Marquez the Evil Doer of Argentina and simultaneously commiserating Rossi’s victim pandering. Perhaps one of the most memorable and astute assertions made after the Sepang 2015 debacle, was the point made by Marc Marquez regarding Rossi’s ‘weaponization of the media’.

    After watching the Argentine race, naturally I listened to the post race reactions, and there, along with the routine interviews was a video for a special press conference, what is this? Why do we need a special press conference? There were several racing incidents during the race; did they all get a special press conference? This was the literal inverse of the ‘canceled press conference of Valencia 2015’--one designed to shield Rossi (2015) this one designed to serve as a megaphone for Rossi. (Any chance the pre-event press conferences will be canceled for Austin to shield Marquez from the precipitous scrutiny that never was for Rossi?) Why was there a need for a special press conference? This reminded me of the infamous pre-event press conference of Sepang 15, where the media were ‘hi-jacked’ and employed as a conduit of Rossi’s deranged conspiracy theory, except in the Sepang case, the media were relatively unaware of what was to spew from Uccio’s access to Rossi’s ear, in the case of the post Argentine GP, the media lined up as willing co-conspirators where Rossi called for Jihad on Marquez.

    As I watched the “reporters” “asking” questions, it became immediately clear, there would be no hard shrewd inquiry, no challenge to Rossi’s yellow bananas assertions. If you haven’t already watched, do yourself a favor, if for nothing less than the comedic value of the charade. “Marc do this deliberately!” ‘Marc ruined the sport!’, ‘Race Direction do something, I need protection…’, ‘I’m scared of Marc.’ The very next thing heard should have been: ‘Wait, wait wait, let me stop you right there Valentino, first of all, you left the door wide open, you were riding considerably slower, you looked tentatively clumsy as a back marker amongst supposedly far inferior riders to you, on competative factory equipment no less, you went wide, have you looked at the on-board camera, it is clear, the video doesn’t lie, Marc took the space you left for him, a space you have taken quite regularly in your long career, you then chose to close in, rather capriciously and predictably made contact, why is this not a typical racing incident? Rossi, you seem to be making a connection to another infamous incident, Sepang 2015, are you aware that you deliberately crashed Marc out of a race after accusing him of ‘helping’ Lorenzo by taking points away from Lorenzo by wining the race at Philip Island, please explain this line of illogical reasoning, because you are not making any more sense right now?’ 'Rossi, why do you think you have moral authority to accuse Marc of reckless riding considering your actions at Sepang 2015?' This should have been the immediate reaction of any reasonable journalist intent on challenging his subject to make rational and coherent thoughts that were otherwise gibberish, not to mention perverse accusation.

    This renewed debacle, one born by a typical racing incident that otherwise would never had warranted further review, but because it involved Rossi cast as the victim, has been blown up to be the second apocalypse, this IS an indictment on the media. I’ve read a few reactions by these “journalist”, many calling for Marc to be issued a black flags, race bans, suspended license, sat down with “adults” to talk about respect. I’m reminded of a quote here on this forum by David Emmett (Kropotkin) who said “Fuck the adults in the room.” in response to me saying they should rein in reckless riding, particularly from the rider I used to refer to as “MurderMac”. Perhaps the increased access to the sport has Mat Oxleyed Kropo’s revised takes on the situation and aligned himself with the side that thinks Marquez should be ‘sat down with the adults in the room’…to give his due respect to Valentino Rossi. Even Trunkman has piled on Marc for the benefit of Rossi’s fanbase. Julian Ryder declaring “this is the sort of thing that brings a sport into disrepute”, sure I’d agree, if he were talking about the skewed nature of the extraordinary care for which Rossi is kiddy handled in the media. Spanish journalist Manuel Pecino defended himself from attacks to the affect that his nationality made him a target by Italian media, so wrote (to project his impartiality I suppose) that Marquez was “out of control”. Except the reality illustrated on the track was Marquez seemed to have the most ‘control’ actually, whilst those back markers around him awkwardly lumbered around the track. How is it that the guy who was lapping close to 2 seconds faster, dramatically illustrating ‘superior CONTROL’ of the conditions was the guy “out of control” and the guy who took an ungainly wide line, last of his factory package counterparts, and behind one of satellite complement was the measure of proficiency? This guy said, “Marc knew his chaotic riding was generating havoc”, uhm, I’d argue the slow riders around him were generating havoc, like most Los Angeles drivers in the rain, making traffic a public hazard. I’d also argue, the havoc was initially generated by the incompetence of officials to create such a situation. Krops seems to have a pitchfork out for Marquez…now, perhaps after reading this (and God knows he lifts talking points from this forum) he will tone down his rhetoric. What the hell has happened?

    “Ruined Sport”

    Marquez has by all accounts changed and tamed his approach to racing, so did we witness a reversion, was the old MurderMac on display, or was this a situation that is perceived through a skewed lens wrought by incompetent officials that were making up rules on the fly, conceding to mob rule culminating in the ultimate confirmation bias--based predominantly on Rossi’s influence over hearts and minds? Noteworthy, we are talking about the governing body that issued penalties during a race (that had previously been reluctant to do so, Sepang 2015) which just minutes before had created such a situation by incompetence. Rossi is adamant its still MurderMac, such a flippant suggestion and the mass media follows suit. This was clearly a racing incident of the variety (rightly or wrongly) that is rarely admonished by Race Direction. A type of racing incident, if properly reviewed has by standard precedent seldom and rather exceptionally been punished. Now Kropo was calling for a black flag, directing us to “journalists” who are chastising Marquez for seemingly defiantly thumbing his nose at authority and respect for others. “Fuck the adults in the room.”? The media have partly created this mess by enabling Rossi for decades! Of course this would result in a double standard for when Rossi is on the receiving end of once acceptable racing. Now this behavior is unacceptable? The world has gone mad.

    I said this repeatedly after the 2015 Debacle, the sport has been turned upside down, it has been perverted by outlandish standards issued by Rossi’s influence, accepted by gutless officials who refulse to correct the perversions, enabled by gutless media to challenge him, and swallowed whole by the majority of the viewing public. Racing is no longer racing because of the introduction of unwritten rules, phantom racing etiquette (which was apparently defied by evil Marquez who upon review of the actual on-track behavior at Sepang 2015 was nothing less than clean unobstructed racing) EXCEPT by Rossi himself who deliberately aimed to crash out a fellow competitor. Lets talk about the petition by close to a million signers on MoveOn.org to momentarily suspend the rules of the sport for Valencia 15 regarding a rear grid start penalty, how about the social media campaign to pressure riders to pull over (some riders spectacularly moving over even to their own detriment) talk about “ruining the sport”. Authentic competition has been effectively suspended to accommodate Rossi in an actual race! What about the accusations that followed regarding championship fixing, the visits by Italian journalists weaoponized to harass Marquez’s family at their home, the harassment at the track by Rossi’s Fan Club more akin to goons’ mafia, etc. etc. etc. I do agree with Rossi’s sentiment that the sport has been “ruined” but it has been ruined by the sport’s governing body, particularly Carmelo Ezpaleta, for enabling the Crazy Emperor, Race Direction under the leadership of Mike Webb for never reining in Rossi’s reckless on-track attacks and setting the precedent that aggressive riding is ok and only punishable based on the influence of popularity, the media for giving Rossi a megaphone to spew his crackers crazy accusations without performing the duty of challenging him to defend his irrational thoughts, and any other enablers, such as some ex-racers that side with the insanity, and of course the Yellow Minions Cult.

    “This is racing.”

    Lets examine the actual racing incident that is the flash point of apparently the updated 2.0 Sepangocalypse. I’m sure someone has posted the incident here. The on-board camera clearly shows that Rossi goes wide, creating a gap, leaves the door open, Marquez having the far superior pace, takes that space. Consider if you can, had the roles been reversed, Rossi would have taken that space as he has done repeatedly over his career with no review, not to mention it would have been celebrated if Marquez had crashed, and certainly no special press conference convened to explain how such a maneuver was poof positive of the sport being ruined, undoubtedly Rossi would have been smug in his declaration: “This is racing.” But lets shelve conjecture of what might have been and talk about what did happen. Rossi capriciously attempts to shut the door he left open, as a result of his tentative and somewhat clumsy pace, and the predictable happened, the two riders come together contesting the same piece of tarmac. This was a racing incident of the variety had on tracks the world over since the invention of racing. There was no malice or ill intent on the part of Marc, he simply had the superior pace, and a gap was left open. Frankly from the on-board shot, it may have looked to Marc that Rossi was conceding the position in such conditions that the Italian clearly was overwhelmed. It’s a run-of-the-mill racing incident that rarely is reviewed, look no further than this race in fact.

    If we are going to present arguments to the effect why Race Direction took action, then it is equally valid to offer evidence from Race Direction’s silence in similar incidents. So lets point out the silence in such cases, considering that if there is a message from penalties then there is an equal message from silence: No penalty or reviews for Zarco causing a crash to Pedro, which I’m hearing caused injury to his wrist and surely will be out sidelined (and at his stage, possibly career ending), no penalty or review of Petrucci barging Espargaro, nor Marquez himself aggressively overtaking Nakagami. Except, this is Rossi we are talking about, so the stretch is being made that the penalty was ‘progressive’ in nature. That is, Marc deserved sanction based on the notion of pattern. Well, lets examine that too.

    Three points you’re out!

    We actually had a system in MotoGP to police a pattern of progressive unacceptable on track behavior, anybody remember that? What happened to that system? Oh yeah, it was scrapped. Why? Well, the most infamous use of the points system to deter cumulative offenses resulted in Valentino Rossi starting at the back of the grid! Ooops. So this body of officials, supposedly intent on keeping riders “SAFE” because they are concerned with “safety” scrapped, that is, shit-canned a system that was devised to keep riders “safe”. That doesn’t make sense, does it? What would be the motivation to abandon a system that expressly was designed to rein in a pattern of reckless behavior? Therefore, I call bullshit on the notion being crafted that Marc Marquez was issued a penalty because of a pattern of misbehavior when in fact the governing body concerned with “safety” has by its actions endorsed the message that sanctions will be taken on a case by case basis, and given the lack of consistency in punishing aggressive riding, no penalty should be reasonably expected!

    Lets debunk the notion that a penalty was based on outcome, say causing a crash. We cannot say that the outcome of Rossi crashing was the standard, because Zarco went unpunished for crashing out Pedrosa, hell the incident never came up for review. We can’t insist it was due to a “pattern” as I argue above, of dangerous behavior, keeping in mind Rossi has previously painted Zarco as a dangerous rider, ‘acting like he’s still in Moto2’ according to Valentino, surely Race Direction would have been on notice to scrutinize Zarco for repeat offenses. We can’t really point to the previous penalties issued by Race Direction in this very race because frankly they were arbitrary, inconsistent at best, and the standard of precedent is clearly: no punishments will be issued for aggressive riding when a gap exists based on a plethora of examples in history, particularly by Rossi. At best, the penalties are arbitrary as it was during the moment, given the demand to drop down one position based on Marc’s contact with Espargaro (though even this is wildly inconsistent given that it could have easily been a ridiculous time penalty, or as Kropo euphemistically called it, a “time correction” to save Rossi the embarrassment of being penalized when Zarco was denied a pass by Rossi who simply cut the track to avoid being overtaken at the AustinGP. Do we remember why it was argued a “time correction” was more appropriate? For the benefit of “safety”, of course. There’s that bullshit word again, so lets examine it, because as I said, if they use the word safety, surely there is some hidden meaning. As the “reasoning” went, it would have been “unsafe” for Rossi to drop down a position, given you know, people of going around a track, and trying to slow down and reverse course might could be dangerous (not to mention, Rossi would be displeased). Therefore, in race direction’s infinite wisdom, to keep Rossi safe and all, they just attached a “time correction”. So, why was Marc asked to drop down a position? If we establish this is unsafe during a race, why not just issue a time correction to Marc and let him progress, given he clearly had the superior pace, where the slow traffic around him was creating havoc? Double standards would be my guess.

    The Mad Emperor

    Race direction was influenced not by the outcome of Marc’s maneuver—Rossi crashing, considering Pedrosa had just been caused to spectacularly crash, but rather WHOM was involved. Again, let me repeat this point, the penalty and all its fall-out: grandstanding, pandering, shameless drama, etc. was influenced NOT by the outcome (nor this bullshit premise being presented of progression of incidents, as I debunked above) but rather because it involved Valentino Rossi! This fact alone was the sole influence behind the issuing of a penalty, based on VR’s skewed popularity, the necessity to kowtow, NOT the actual racing incident, not the crash, not the supposed pattern of aggressive riding, not the confusion that was created by the governing body on revised grid procedures, but ONLY because it was against the Emperor of MotoGP. Stop and consider this for a moment, because as I said above, this makes the entire competition a farce, a perversion, to use Rossi’s own words, a “ruined sport”, when ONE rider must be handled with such exceptional attention which is not extended to others. Reminiscent of Dorna acting as Rossi’s sport agent to coerce Yamaha to take him back from his utter failure at Ducati. The whole thing revolves around Rossi, otherwise this entire incident would have been just another tiny footnote on an otherwise mundane post race synopsis.

    I’ll close this part of my take with the following thought: Rossi’s claim that Race Direction is not protecting HIM, highlights the implication of exceptional arrogance, Race Direction was right then to be unconcerned by the safety of the other riders, who he mocked repeatedly for complaining to the same official body, calling them childish kids, crybabies, those who were not protected from years of his aggressive racing tactics.







    Next parts, “wimps”, “whiners and winners”, “30 lbs penalty” and “the biggest loser”
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    The point about the start a lot of people are missing is not that Jack would start on the grid and everyone else would start from the pit lane that's not what was ever going to happen.

    What should of happened by the rules, would be the people that left the grid should have started the warm up lap from the pit lane and then joined the back of the grid for the race start.
    So with 23 riders leaving the grid who goes at the back? So does the first of them go to P25 and work your way back from there on spots probably not painted on the road, or put the last of them at p24 and work forward from there?

    The idea that the race should have started on time and the riders were to work this out for themselves on the warm up lap is a crazy, so the organizers were sensible on this part IMHO at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by n8balls View Post
    Also, Crutchlow has now won the same amount of races as Pedrosa since the start of 2016. Maybe he does deserve the ride
    Crutchlow is less consistent in his ability to finish though isn't he?

    Winning a race is all well and good, but being able to finish is pretty important as well.

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    Cal wont go to Repsol - Red Bull, he already has a HRC contract, when asked what that means Lucio Cecchinello said it meant 12 Honda techs in the garage as opposed to 3. So I think he's getting all the good bits from Honda now.
    But the real reason is they'll have to throw a lot of Red Bull money at him to get him to drop the Monster sponsorship that has been with him for a very long time.



    So for Honda what would be the point of it?
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    If Lorenzo goes to Suzuki as the rumour is saying. Then Miller could quickly find himself on a factory Ducati. Iannone on the Aprilia, not sure where Petrucci goes TBH but I don't see a factory bike for him next year.

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    Where is the Marquez v Rossi option

    Last edited by Rhino; 12-04-2018 at 09:33 AM.
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    It sounds like the whole motogp paddock is in a tiz at the moment with lots of different riders and teams at each other and airing their dirty laundry in public via Twitter. Poor pedro has broken another bone as well, Race direction is under siege. It would be a good time to keep your head down

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    Quote Originally Posted by n8balls View Post
    "I'm scared on the track when I'm with Marquez"
    Yeah scared of getting his arse handed to him
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    Quote Originally Posted by wonky View Post
    It sounds like the whole motogp paddock is in a tiz at the moment with lots of different riders and teams at each other and airing their dirty laundry in public via Twitter. Poor pedro has broken another bone as well, Race direction is under siege. It would be a good time to keep your head down
    I can't see much on Twitter atm. What am i missing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by p4p1 View Post
    I can't see much on Twitter atm. What am i missing?
    Rossi and Marquez are at each other obviously.

    Aleix is mad at Pramac and Petrucci. Xavier Simeon who isn't involved with either Aprilia or Pramac chimed in and had a go at Aleix on behalf of Petrucci so now he and Aleix are at it.

    Crutchlow is mad at the media.

    Lorenzo is claiming Dovizioso has tried to undermine his morale his whole career.

    Both Agostini and the FIM president have called Rossi out on his comments when he claimed Marquez hits other riders on purpose hoping they crash.

    Marquez is mad at race direction for the race stewards having no clue how to handle the situation when he stalled his bike. In my opinion, it was the responsibility of the stewards to run up to Marquez, grab his bike and be firm with their instructions. This didn't happen.

    The media is criticising Lin Jarvis for letting Uccio do the talking when Marquez came to the garage.

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    Soo, the usual handbags at 10 paces then?
    I hope fans (of any rider) don't over react and do anything stupid (away from the keyboard) in the up coming races
    I'm not saying let's go kill all the stupid people, I'm just saying lets remove all the warning lables and let the problem sort itself out...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug68 View Post
    The point about the start a lot of people are missing is not that Jack would start on the grid and everyone else would start from the pit lane that's not what was ever going to happen.

    What should of happened by the rules, would be the people that left the grid should have started the warm up lap from the pit lane and then joined the back of the grid for the race start.
    So with 23 riders leaving the grid who goes at the back? So does the first of them go to P25 and work your way back from there on spots probably not painted on the road, or put the last of them at p24 and work forward from there?

    The idea that the race should have started on time and the riders were to work this out for themselves on the warm up lap is a crazy, so the organizers were sensible on this part IMHO at least.
    I pretty much agree, but I'd just add a couple of things.

    I don't see why the race couldn't start on time. It takes very little time to make a P/A or radio call to the teams to say "the race will start on time in ** minutes, a new grid will be distributed shortly". If the teams don't have time to fully complete their dry setup (if they weren't prepared with a dry bike) then so be it. The bike would not be unrideable, it just won't be optimised. At that crazy 2014 German Grand Prix Bradl chose to change his setup on the grid to avoid starting from pitlane. They swapped to slicks but he had to race with a wet setup, which didn't end well results wise but it didn't end in the gravel trap either. So I don't understand why a convenient extra 20min was given to benefit all bar Miller.

    I think many also miss the point of starting from the back of the grid. The intent is not meant to be a distance penalty but a time penalty. The penalty comes not from starting 50m from where you were but from having to work your way through the field, so simply moving everyone back but having to perform no extra work is hardly a penalty at all. While the decison made may meet the written rule, it does not fulfill the intent of the rule.

    (Note: I'm not a Miller fan although I'm impressed with the way he's handled himself during this episode)

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoke View Post
    While the decison made may meet the written rule, it does not fulfill the intent of the rule.
    Ah yes, but officials have to apply the written rules, that's how the game works.
    In future I'd change the rule though, if its declared a wet race and you leave the pre-grid then you start the race from the pit lane 1 rider at time at 5 sec intervals based on who gets in the queue first
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaynus View Post
    I hope fans (of any rider) don't over react and do anything stupid (away from the keyboard) in the up coming races
    Always a risk, both the Spaniards and Italians are a passionate bunch. Simmoncelli had bodyguards at Catalunya after knocking Pedrosa off the round before, after which he received death threats.

    Thankfully the next race is on neither Italian for Spanish soil. But, being America, they have their own brand of batshit insane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug68 View Post
    Ah yes, but officials have to apply the written rules, that's how the game works.
    In future I'd change the rule though, if its declared a wet race and you leave the pre-grid then you start the race from the pit lane 1 rider at time at 5 sec intervals based on who gets in the queue first
    That sounds dangerous, chaotic and complicated. And who’s waiving then off at 5 second intervals? And if 21 of the 22 riders go in the last rider is starting 1 minute and 45 seconds behind the leader.

    My solution would be let them change tyres before the race but give them a ride through penalty they can complete at any time.

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    Well I think Cal needs to decide to either focus exclusively on his racing career or playing guitar with The Bad Seeds.

    They hung a sign up in our town "If you live it up, you won't live it down"-Tom Waits
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    The bike you leave the pits on should be the bike you race on, if it is a flag to flag then you can come in and swap. Put the onus back on the teams to pick the right setup prior to the race, rather than using the sighting lap as a research/test lap.

    If club level racers can look at a track, look at the sky and put wets/drys on 10 minutes out, with no quick change gear, I'm sure that they will be better prepared and can do it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeBloke View Post
    rather than using the sighting lap as a research/test lap.
    I think the clue is in the name on that one.

    It's only fair that they get to see the track they're going to race on before they lock in a setup, no?

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