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    Quote Originally Posted by p4p1 View Post
    It's being reported in Italy that Lorenzo won't be at Ducati next year. They're also saying DORNA wants to keep him on the grid so the most likely destination is MarcVDS who will probably be running satellite Yamahas next year.
    Well that would be a fall from grace to go to a Satellite Team. Lorenzo still has it, he just doesn't have it on the Duc. Get a bike under him that suits his riding style and he'll be up there. He's not as adaptable as other riders to different bikes - yes, it's a failing, especially at that level, but on the right bike he will be back on the podium more regularly. On his day (and on a suitable bike) he's still one of the best riders out there. On the right bike I reckon he'd be the most consistent challenger to Marquez.

    I think Lorenzo is fairly mentally fragile and once lacking confidence doesn't regain it easily. I'm sure Ducati days have sapped his confidence somewhat.
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    He'll be gone by 2019, too much talent without the baggage coming up through the junior ranks.

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    Not that Yamaha will do this because of their short sightedness which has left them in their current position...

    The sensible thing to do for all parties would be have Lorenzo as a Crutchlow type rider. Factory Yamaha contract on a 2019 M1, but riding in a satellite outfit with MarcVDS. They could really use Lorenzo's input with the M1. It would be madness to have him on a year old bike...but hey, Lin Jarvis was happy to have Zarco on a 2 year old bike and let him leave Yamaha.

    A satellite team without the pressures full factory riders come under could be good for Lorenzo's mental health.


    Lorenzo could ride satellite Yamaha in 2019

    https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/ne...uzuki-1041734/
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    I don't think Yamaha or Rossi/Vin would take any input from him.

    If I was JL, I'd be firing my manager. It wouldn't achieve anything now - that horse has bolted, but might make him feel better.

    He's let any power that JL may have had slip from the negotiations, and has zero stock.
    A factory ride could now be unattainable (for the rest of his career).

    With young talent always rising to the top - why would they pull JL out of ANY satellite time?

    I'm no almanac - but I can't think of anyone that has had a factory ride, lost it, and regained one again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    I don't think Yamaha or Rossi/Vin would take any input from him.
    Considering he's the only rider to win a championship on a Yamaha in the last 8 years (will be 9 years by next year), they'd do bloody well to listen to what he has to say.

    At this moment I think Vinales would listen to anyone with a fresh idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
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    I'm no almanac - but I can't think of anyone that has had a factory ride, lost it, and regained one again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Dealer View Post
    Considering he's the only rider to win a championship on a Yamaha in the last 8 years (will be 9 years by next year), they'd do bloody well to listen to what he has to say.

    At this moment I think Vinales would listen to anyone with a fresh idea.
    Also the only rider to beat Marquez in the MotoGP championship .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    I don't think Yamaha or Rossi/Vin would take any input from him.

    If I was JL, I'd be firing my manager. It wouldn't achieve anything now - that horse has bolted, but might make him feel better.

    He's let any power that JL may have had slip from the negotiations, and has zero stock.
    A factory ride could now be unattainable (for the rest of his career).

    With young talent always rising to the top - why would they pull JL out of ANY satellite time?

    I'm no almanac - but I can't think of anyone that has had a factory ride, lost it, and regained one again.
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    Dovisioso
    Bautista.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonky View Post
    Dovisioso
    I had a feeling, but wasnít sure what satellite team he road for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Dealer View Post
    Bautista.
    He had a factory ride in MotoGP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    I had a feeling, but wasnít sure what satellite team he road for?


    He had a factory ride in MotoGP?
    Dovi went to Tech3 after Repsol Honda, then to Ducati.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    I had a feeling, but wasnít sure what satellite team he road for?


    He had a factory ride in MotoGP?
    Suzuki then Aprilia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    He had a factory ride in MotoGP?
    Two actually.

    He came into MotoGP in 2010 with factory Suzuki.

    Went to Go&Fun Honda Team Gressini. Team Gressini went on to become factory Aprilia which he rode for in 2015/2016.

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    Well fuck.

    If non-performing clown like him can get brought back to life - I'm sure JL could.

    It's just pride at this point.

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    Oh ... dear George.

    Negotiations have broken down with Suzuki.
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    I would be flabbergasted if JL didn't get a 'decent' ride with SOMEONE. Even if it were with a satellite team for a season , with foresight into taking a factory ride a year later.
    Might be the coming back to earth he needs and even bring the 'fun' back into his 'job'.

    It wasn't that long ago he was fluid and confident, almost unbeatable.
    Surely some of that spark and underlying skill still exists under the cloak of no-confidence? He still remains very competitive until the Duc gives up it's tyres, and at that point he goes into survival mode.

    Maybe he has already mentally decided that he probably won't be with Ducati for that much longer, so no need to get seriously injured on their behalf. It could have started last year for all we know.
    His garage and management feedback prior to negotiations probably had the writing on the wall, long before any new contract was drawn up.

    He should be part of the grid, regardless of his perception of arrogance or attitude . The bloke can ride.
    Better marketability would be a point of improvement to get teams more excited..
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    Stock IMU (Inertial Measurement Unit) from 2019. The IMU picks up all the data from the sensors on the bike and sends it to the current stock ECU. Currently factories make their own IMU and Dorna believes some factories (rumoured to be Honda & Ducati) have found a way to trick the ECU using their proprietary IMU, which is untraceable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Dealer View Post
    Stock IMU (Inertial Measurement Unit) from 2019. The IMU picks up all the data from the sensors on the bike and sends it to the current stock ECU. Currently factories make their own IMU and Dorna believes some factories (rumoured to be Honda & Ducati) have found a way to trick the ECU using their proprietary IMU, which is untraceable.
    To trick into doing what though? Acting as a traction control type system?


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    Quote Originally Posted by rubin View Post
    To trick into doing what though? Acting as a traction control type system?


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    Acting as a piggy back ECU..
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    Quote Originally Posted by rubin View Post
    To trick into doing what though? Acting as a traction control type system?


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    Before the stock ECU, the programmers could basically tell a bike how to ride from the start to the end of a race. Fuel mapping, traction control, engine braking. Rossi said the throttle response would feel the exact same at the end of a race. In one race, Colin Edwards bike was accidentally in rain mode, the ECU detected it was dry after a couple laps and switched to dry. Now the riders have to make a lot of these changes during the race themselves.

    I think some factories have found a way around this to a certain extent. Iím happy to be corrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubin View Post
    To trick into doing what though? Acting as a traction control type system?


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    Corrado Cecchinelli On Why The Spec IMU Is Coming, And How Cheating Might Happen
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