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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboR1 View Post
    It's not just the riders, you have a teams of mechanics and engineers travelling the world as well, and the sheer logistic nightmare of packing up 2-4 semi trailers (for every team), plus the same again for suspension, tyres, medical and media worth of gear Sunday night to shlep to the next race and have it set up ready to go by Thursday either the same week or in a fortnight's time. The cost of the logistics is staggering on it's own, never mind adding in rapid freight because you need it there in a fortnight.

    There is so much more involved than most people realise. Add in testing and development in between every time you get the chance, and you don't just have a rider that's physically fucked, I've seen trackday riders looking like they are on the brink of death after 6 sessions of average pace, let alone someone running a machine at peak. You also start to have spanner monkeys getting fatigued, and these are the guys that you are relying on to ensure all the nuts and bolt are done up tight and lock wired, so that when you get to the end of a 355kph straight and you grab the brake lever you know it's going to work.
    The amazing thing is that there are what, 250 riders on earth that actually earn a good living long term living from racing (<100 in motogp, maybe 70 in WSBK, and another 100 in national championships in which maybe the top 5 don't have to have a full time job or couch surf to get by, and maybe 5 in all of road racing)? All of what you described above and there are another 5000 that would crawl over broken glass to even get a shot at a test. Anyone that thinks a MotoGP rider is a primadonna needs to think of the thousands of other hopefuls that they beat out with a combination of talent, bravery, hard work, and sacrifice. Everyone to ever throw a leg over a motogp bike whether I like them or not from Ago, to Rossi, to Lorenzo, to Scott Redding are legends in my book.
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    There was also cigarette sponsorship. Wish that came back, the millions of dollars they injected into the sport certainly helped.
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    Wait until they ban energy drinks.... Wonder which industry the next lot of main sponsorship will come from...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticEnd View Post
    The amazing thing is that there are what, 250 riders on earth that actually earn a good living long term living from racing (<100 in motogp, maybe 70 in WSBK, and another 100 in national championships in which maybe the top 5 don't have to have a full time job or couch surf to get by, and maybe 5 in all of road racing)? All of what you described above and there are another 5000 that would crawl over broken glass to even get a shot at a test. Anyone that thinks a MotoGP rider is a primadonna needs to think of the thousands of other hopefuls that they beat out with a combination of talent, bravery, hard work, and sacrifice. Everyone to ever throw a leg over a motogp bike whether I like them or not from Ago, to Rossi, to Lorenzo, to Scott Redding are legends in my book.
    Unless you're Karel Abraham or hafizh syahrin and you buy your way into MotoGP

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeBloke View Post
    Wait until they ban energy drinks.... Wonder which industry the next lot of main sponsorship will come from...
    The Church? Inkjet printers?

    Sporting profitability is primarily based on entertainment. To entertain means to evolve.
    Getting rid of these 'evils' that are not necessarily great for your body will definitely be to the detriment of the sport.

    At some point, they will have to tell outside governing bodies to get fucked, or take their business model to 3rd world countries where they will happily take the injection of funds and just as happily let you paste cigarette advertising anywhere you need.
    Sventek, being a predominantly lazy fuck can you please purchase some for me, bring me the stuff, create something I want after you think of it for me then clean my house, wash my car, dog, bike breathe for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Dealer View Post
    Unless you're Karel Abraham or hafizh syahrin and you buy your way into MotoGP
    Abraham and Simeon? Didn't think Syahrin bought money to the table? That's not Tech 3's deal - it's for up and coming riders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Dealer View Post
    Unless you're Karel Abraham or hafizh syahrin and you buy your way into MotoGP
    Economics are a big part of course. If you bring enough backing $ you get to jump the queue but that's the way life is. Hafizh is a serious talent. I assume you're talking about how his participation has brought Petronas money to the paddock? He'll beat Morbidelli to ROTY honors this year and that's pretty damned impressive. He's also huge for Dorna because of the market that it opens them up to. Karel Abraham has stayed in motoGP for years through some pretty average results because of his family's money but you can't deny is doing well this season.

    Riding a 260hp MotoGP bike withing even 10 seconds of the pace of frontrunners is amazing. It takes talent, focus, fitness, and bravery that most of us will never have. I don't like certain riders becasue of their personalities, on track actions, or social media wank, but they are all impressive.
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    I know everyone gives Karel shit because he has bought his way onto the grid however, he's never embarrassed himself and has beaten riders over the seasons consistently that others would deem more worthy. I think people maybe get to focused on his families money rather than the fact that he is pretty outstanding compared to the other 99.9% of us mortals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p4p1 View Post
    I know everyone gives Karel shit because he has bought his way onto the grid however, he's never embarrassed himself and has beaten riders over the seasons consistently that others would deem more worthy. I think people maybe get to focused on his families money rather than the fact that he is pretty outstanding compared to the other 99.9% of us mortals.
    Well, his family owns the Brno Circuit......

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticEnd View Post
    Karel Abraham has stayed in motoGP for years through some pretty average results because of his family's money but you can't deny is doing well this season.
    I know he's on a 2 year old Ducati, but I CAN deny he's doing well this season. He's scored points in 2 races.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Abraham and Simeon? Didn't think Syahrin bought money to the table? That's not Tech 3's deal - it's for up and coming riders.
    Syahrin is backed by the Malaysian Government through Sepang International Circuit. Tech3 got the best of both worlds, it got an up and coming rider and financial backing. When you're running a team on 7 million euros a year (5 million less than Marquez, Rossi and Lorenzo's salaries), you're going to be very open to listening to offers.

    Luckily in this case it worked out and Syahrin proved to be a good signing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Dealer View Post
    Syahrin is backed by the Malaysian Government through Sepang International Circuit. Tech3 got the best of both worlds, it got an up and coming rider and financial backing. When you're running a team on 7 million euros a year (5 million less than Marquez, Rossi and Lorenzo's salaries), you're going to be very open to listening to offers.

    Luckily in this case it worked out and Syahrin proved to be a good signing.
    Yeah I thought it was a bit of a random pick but yeah, makes sense.

    Abraham at least isn't coming last every race. He might have had a chance at a seat without his Dad's money but seems teams are more willing to punt on moto2 riders than they used to be. I could have 100% backing and I'd be getting lapped every 2 laps at least. Simeon however would never have gotten a seat on his own merit (but would still leave me red faced and in his wake).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Yeah I thought it was a bit of a random pick but yeah, makes sense.

    Abraham at least isn't coming last every race. He might have had a chance at a seat without his Dad's money but seems teams are more willing to punt on moto2 riders than they used to be. I could have 100% backing and I'd be getting lapped every 2 laps at least. Simeon however would never have gotten a seat on his own merit (but would still leave me red faced and in his wake).
    I'm glad SIC is taking over Team Angel Neito and bringing real money to the table, just need to get rid of Avintia Ducati now. These rent-a-ride teams are a blight on the grid. It's also highly doubtful if Marc VDS will continue next season after their dramas. And with Morbidelli going to SIC and Luthi back to Moto2 I reckon it's almost certain.

    Can't wait for the day Dorna's dream of 6 factory teams with 6 satellite teams (one for each factory) on the grid is realised. It'll mean no more 2 year old Ducati grid fillers.
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    Crutchlow: Pedrosa wouldn't make good Honda tester

    https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/ne...59794/?nrt=112

    Crutchlow has a point.

    Cliff notes:

    Pedrosa's riding style is so specific that it wouldn't help the program (eg. Not many riders ride the way Pedrosa does). Crutchlow prefers a more 'neutral' riding style such as Stefan Bradl.

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    Makes sense..

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    Been away from work for a week on leave. Left my helmet on site.

    Someone has started a war.

    There will be blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Dealer View Post
    Been away from work for a week on leave. Left my helmet on site.

    Someone has started a war.

    There will be blood.

    Gives you an excuse to give them a kick, yeah?
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    Thats actually quite funny, obviously the person who performed that horrific vandalism knows you well.........
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