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    What was he thinking at that moment? What did Stefano do, did anyone see that? I didn't....

    Not defending his actions, which I believe are dangerous enough, but that was one moment of stupidity and dare I say blind rage.
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    Useless cunt doesn't deserve death threats though.
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    Thats the nature of the internet these days I guess. Threats are easily distributed with enthusiastic keyboard strokes.

    99.9% of them are just hollow chest thumping, only need to worry about the 0.1%.
    Trying to think of a wise and sincere signature quote, but the only words that leap to mind are, "TITTY SPRINKLES"

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    Romano Fenati summoned by FIM

    In view of the egregious and shocking nature of Mr Fenatiís act, the FIM took the time needed to reflect serenely on the incident, which has prompted strong emotions throughout the world of motorcycling and beyond.

    'The FIM has decided to summon the Rider to FIM HQ (Switzerland) in order to discuss the situation with him before taking any action the FIM may consider appropriate.'


    https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/90...i-summoned-fim

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    World of pain for the young lad but I will play devils advocate. While the serious crime is there, is the punishment fair or starting to go overboard?

    Theres always a dark side to racing and plenty of examples to chose from.

    Look at Marquez earlier this season going backwards at the start of a race and then punting people off the track left right and center to get back to the front. Not much happened there. He had a complete brain fade yet no real punishment. Rossi with his kickout. Verstappen in F1 with his consistent double blocking moves which ended with Riccardo creasing the front of his car. The intent was there but no serious punishment. A double standard perhaps because Fenati is not golden yet and has a prior. Everyone loves to kick a guy when he down.

    I think he deserved a serious punishment but perhaps this is going to far. To say he was going to murder the guy is a bit much. I think he just wanted to slow the guy down to get away from him.

    Anyway bring the flame throwers.
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    ^^ sadly I agree ^^

    why would he be alone in this..sure he fucked up..but where is his team support? What did his manager have to say ? Looks like he's been thrown to the wolves.

    Edit.. If he was such a great rider with huge potential.. it's easy to see the team just let him carry on like a douche....but he isn't -so how did he last so long in the sport with his history of 'taking it into his own hands.?'

    'Racing incidents' opens a whole category of disaster and death..in all types of motorcycle racing. (rhetoric nothing more.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by xrsism View Post
    World of pain for the young lad but I will play devils advocate. While the serious crime is there, is the punishment fair or starting to go overboard?

    Theres always a dark side to racing and plenty of examples to chose from.

    Look at Marquez earlier this season going backwards at the start of a race and then punting people off the track left right and center to get back to the front. Not much happened there. He had a complete brain fade yet no real punishment. Rossi with his kickout. Verstappen in F1 with his consistent double blocking moves which ended with Riccardo creasing the front of his car. The intent was there but no serious punishment. A double standard perhaps because Fenati is not golden yet and has a prior. Everyone loves to kick a guy when he down.

    I think he deserved a serious punishment but perhaps this is going to far. To say he was going to murder the guy is a bit much. I think he just wanted to slow the guy down to get away from him.

    Anyway bring the flame throwers.
    Going backwards on the grid posed no risk to anyone.

    Marquez's brain fade on track was irresponsible riding. There was no intent to harm anyone. He was still racing.

    This lever pull cannot be interpreted as anything other than malicious and intentional.

    He's had more chances in this sport to change his behaviour than anyone deserves.

    He should have been kicked out of the garage and told to find his own way home.

    If he wants support, he should go home to mum and dad who raised him their little angel.
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    The issue is intent, and the potential consequences those actions can have. The grabbing of a brake lever on a bike with the level of brakes these things have can be extremely nasty. Youtube is littered with videos where riders clip the bike in from and activate the brake;



    For those that aren'f fully savvy on how and what happens when you are braking properly; the only effective way to slow a bike down is by rolling off the throttle, get a weight transfer onto the front, load the suspension, load the tyre, apply the brake progressively, in that order, and smoothly. When done like that you can squeeze the brake lever with your full fist as hard as you physically can and it won't lock up. You remove any one of those factors and you can get a lock up for sudden brake application which can result in a crash.

    Marquez is a good example as he has found himself in front of the stewards multiple times thought out his career for his aggressive riding, as has Lorenzo (a lunatic when he first raced MotoGP), Rossi, Simoncelli. But Marquez is the reason they now have a points system in MotoGP. These guys are at the limit of what man and machine is capable of and during racing these clashes can and do happen, whether they are with the rules of the sport is for the governing body to decide and they must do so impartially.

    But if a rider feels hard done by during a race they are not then appointed judge, jury and executioner to hand out punishment on the next lap. Every clash on the track get investigated every time and the riders can and do get penalties during the race. Had Manzi done something silly he would have been notified either to drop a position or a time penalty.

    Verstappen is another one who has resulted in a clarification of the rules, initially they stated that you can only move over only once to block an over take. He exploited that rule by waiting to see which side the move would come in the braking zone and then make his "one move". The rules have since been "clarified" and he can no longer adopt that tactic.

    Verstappen's tactics, Marquez's agression all could have resulted in far more crashes than have occurred, yet their intent was always to gain or keep position in a racing situation. I have yet to see them tamper with another competitor's machine. (Marquez cutting Dani's TC wire doesn't count as that was a freak accident, but he got punished for it anyway due to previous clashes)
    Trying to think of a wise and sincere signature quote, but the only words that leap to mind are, "TITTY SPRINKLES"
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    Of the examples given above, Rossi was the only one doing something outside of aggressive racing/defending/passing or rule 'bending' with that kick.

    A deliberate action to harm another rider should be treated strongly, touching a 'control' on another riders bike is not right at all.
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    Whoa! Death threats? I stopped following it once I knew he'd be axed from both teams as that was a justified consequence for his actions and any further consequences would be a case of suck it up, this is what you get for such a deliberate transgression. But yeah, some people just don't know where to draw the line.

    Saw an article he retired - was that in response to losing his licence or was it pre-meditated hoping he then won't have to answer to the motorcycling gods?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeBloke View Post
    Of the examples given above, Rossi was the only one doing something outside of aggressive racing/defending/passing or rule 'bending' with that kick.

    A deliberate action to harm another rider should be treated strongly, touching a 'control' on another riders bike is not right at all.
    Rossi is also famous for running wide out of corners and pushing people off the track.

    Although he tends to do it a lot less these days.
    I guess the guys he's running with in 10th are already having a bad enough day that they don't need to be punted off as well.

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    Trial by social media is a thing.

    He should be banned for a substantial time but this will become a psycho witch hunt to appease the media gods.
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    Yep people make mistakes. Weve all been or still are young and make rash decisions in the heat of a moment trying to achieve greatness.

    Personally I hope he goes off to find peace with the world and comes back a better person for it whether on the track or not. Even hardened crims get a second chance after some time out.
    Ninety nine percent of the people in this world are fools. The rest of us are in great danger of contagion.
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    All of the fall-out does make DORNA'S 2-race ban look pretty cowardice.
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    Death threats amongst the Spanish and Italian fans isn't new, Simoncelli was subject to it after he took out Pedrosa.

    In the 80's Freddie Spencer was subject to it after his clash with Kenny Roberts.

    Back then it probably held more weight than it does these days with internet anonymity and chest thumping being rampant. But like everything on the internet these days 90% of it is utter bullshit.
    Trying to think of a wise and sincere signature quote, but the only words that leap to mind are, "TITTY SPRINKLES"

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    I couldn't imagine living such a shit life that I would need to send death threats to an athlete I didn't like.
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    They should be tracked down, and convicted.
    Only problem is - there's too many.

    No accountability these days.

    These mouth breathers need to be made an example of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    They should be tracked down, and convicted.
    Only problem is - there's too many. The chances of a conviction are almost nil and not worth the Polices time and effort,
    a) you'd need to effectively track down the individual computer,
    b) then prove who actually posted the comments and that the account wasn't hacked/used by someone else
    c) then you'd have to actually show there was any chance of the person could actually carry out such a threat which is pretty hard if it comes from another country Which country's laws do you charge them under, the place it was posted, the country the person threatened is from or the country the threatened person was in when the threats were made?


    No accountability these days.

    These mouth breathers need to be made an example of.
    Fixed Not endorsing the threats in any way or form but in reality most cops aren't going to chase up on crimes where they have a clear suspect and available evidence and a good chance of conviction
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    Just read on GPOne that the 2 race ban is the biggest penalty ever given.

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