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Thread: 2018 MotoGP, Moto2, Moto3 discussion (spoilers)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    Either way - fuck off cunt. MM didn't cause it.
    Rewatched it.

    I retract my comment.

    He did "cause" it - but it was a racing incident.
    Went in hot, saved his own arse by running wide, JL wasn't gentle enough on the throttle.

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    Myself being someone who has never raced, TurboR1 might be able to shed some light on this.

    From a spectator's POV there's no such thing as a racing line into the first corner off the starting line.
    You have a plan in mind. But everyone else does too.
    You get to the corner, see what happens and adjust or abandon the plan and take what you can get.

    Which Jorge failed to do.

    Am I right or completely missed the mark?

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    IMO Marquez may have *created* the situation by going for the hole shot (who wouldn't?) but did not *cause* it because no one but Jorge caused Jorge to open the throttle that much. Jack Miller was on the same line, he made it through unscathed. Jorge said he had 2 choices: to open the throttle, or run wide. Wrong, he had another choice - not to open the throttle as much.

    Looking at the footage, while wide, he still would have made that corner - he didn't look like he was going to go off track at the point he gassed it up - he saw Marc was going to run wide and thought he'd get him back up the inside. He fucked up.

    I read somewhere that someone considered it a deliberate move by Marc knowing he would run Jorge out wide - no one knows but Marc. Even if true, Jorge opened his throttle, no one else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Dealer View Post
    Myself being someone who has never raced, TurboR1 might be able to shed some light on this.
    Well the line still exists, but everything is a compromise. And the start of the race is always your best chance of making up positions as you will never be closer to all of your competitors at the same time as you are just as the light goes out. As such it always looks a little bit chaotic.

    Some of it is reactionary, but the smarter guys have several game plans in mind before the light goes out, which they have played through their heads repeatedly so that when the lights do go out they can pick and chose.

    This all comes down to experience/skill and race craft. This is also why, in part, you tend to see more crashes in Moto2 and Moto3 into turn one, the riders are younger, more aggressive, less patient, also there's more of them and the machinery is more equally matched.

    But as for lines, ideally once they get into open air they will go back to the the lines they used in qualifying to lower lap times and reduce tyre degradation. This is typically a neutral apex, washing off as little speed as possible starting wide, apex, and getting back on the gas to exit wide.

    Of course a early apex is often the result of someone diving underneath for an overtake, coming in much hotter, apexing early and slower (as the corner is now tighter), and thereby compromising their speed down the next straight and losing out into the next corner and sometimes much earlier as witnessed by the countless times we've seen riders dive under and then lose the spot again. But on T1 on lap one it's worth the risk as you may pick up 3-4 spots and only lose one or 2, so throw it in there, stop it and fire out.

    Getting an overtake right or wrong used to be far more critical in the 2 stroke era as dropping out of the power band by diving under a rider and slowing down too much would see you lose 3-4 positions if you got it wrong, and then promptly high side out of the race as you gave it too much trying to get back into the power band.

    EDIT: Apex explained with a diagram
    Last edited by TurboR1; Today at 08:56 PM. Reason: mixed up my early apex with my late apex
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