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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the PM View Post
    Huh? Do you commute in Perth? Home of the world's worst drivers and dumbest road designers? Where the "freeways" are just slow moving car parks? Traffic lights are seen as the easy option and fuck the consequences?
    On an average day my bike saves me 15 minutes each way. On a bad day up to 45 minutes saved getting to work as it takes 1 light change to get through each of 21 sets of light instead of up to 6 cycles in a car!
    Depends on how far you are commuting! When I was working in the CBD my commute was around 20-30 minutes. By the time I had geared up and then taken it off at the other end, the journey time was pretty much the same.

    I used to commute in London and there the difference was massive, as they have proper traffic jams there. A journey time of around an hour and a quarter was reduced to about 20 minutes. Well worth using the bike in all weathers.

    And when you have sat in the traffic jams around the M25 in the UK, nothing much that Perth has to offer will really phase you.
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    With WA bike rego not far off car rego now, more recreational riders may consider selling their rarely used toy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltbush View Post
    Motorcycles are here to stay , with everyone having that in mind ..it wil stay .

    Times changed ...over 30 years ago the motor bike was the cheapest way of having your independent transport .
    Therefore bikes were bought without to much marketing
    Cars are ..I guess are more affordable now than then( and maybe mum and dad helping out) ....more people missing out on the motorbike experience.
    And less change to pick it up in the future.... for all kind of different reasons
    Marketing is the answer .... fuck knows how to market it ,because self driving luxury cars(compared with 40 years ago shit boxes)(no elec windows ,mirrors ,aircon, seats made out of carton)in the future is hard to compete to.
    I guess If you gonna Market bikes as a Bike manufacturer rer rer rer you gotta make it cheeky and funny.................like SHUT UP and TAKE MY MONEY and remember the NOT HAPPYYYY JEN .they work .for male and female
    DONT market it to a particular group ..male ,female familie or gay and they wil come .
    And with it a larger diverse group of people who wil make other people lovvvvvveeeee motorcyclist.
    Ooooo just imagine a future with only bikes and no cars ....YES WE CAN
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgs View Post
    Depends on how far you are commuting! When I was working in the CBD my commute was around 20-30 minutes. By the time I had geared up and then taken it off at the other end, the journey time was pretty much the same.

    I used to commute in London and there the difference was massive, as they have proper traffic jams there. A journey time of around an hour and a quarter was reduced to about 20 minutes. Well worth using the bike in all weathers.

    And when you have sat in the traffic jams around the M25 in the UK, nothing much that Perth has to offer will really phase you.
    Haha, the grass is greener in the UK. I remember driving to penzance via the M5. Massive wrist slashing traffic jam and not a crash or roadworks in sight. Gave the hire car back and jumped on the bike and A roads.

    In Perth I often have meetings in town. From Neds on a bike is less than 10 minutes but the huge advantage is 1 hour bike parking all over the place.

    I don't have to allow 20 minutes to find a parking space in the cage.

    As for running costs, an old big block guzzi is cheaper than a comparable performance car if you service yourself. My DRZ400SM much cheaper still.

    (for 'comparable performance car' read Anglia, morris 1100 etc.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GsxInShed View Post
    SLAP!

    wake up saltie your dreamin'
    Saltie is a different bloke. He's not from Bunbury either.
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    Interesting article, the US has always been a recreational market for bikes post WW2, IMO. Consider all the extra distractions the current generation have besides riding bikes & it's a valid argument.

    Australia has also become like this.

    The Asian market monsters the "big bike" market so these markets will continue.

    Police don't help by being cunts to anyone on two wheels, I know because I have been through this on most occasions I have had contact with these waste of taxpayers money.
    No, I don't have a chip on my shoulder, I just want to be treated as someone doesn't feel like a second class member of the community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZAZL View Post
    Haha, the grass is greener in the UK. I remember driving to penzance via the M5. Massive wrist slashing traffic jam and not a crash or roadworks in sight. Gave the hire car back and jumped on the bike and A roads.

    In Perth I often have meetings in town. From Neds on a bike is less than 10 minutes but the huge advantage is 1 hour bike parking all over the place.

    I don't have to allow 20 minutes to find a parking space in the cage.

    As for running costs, an old big block guzzi is cheaper than a comparable performance car if you service yourself. My DRZ400SM much cheaper still.

    (for 'comparable performance car' read Anglia, morris 1100 etc.)
    Funny how experiences differ... I'm a fairly regular visitor to England but I stay away from cities generally. Without exception my driving experiences in England have been infinitely more enjoyable than here. Last time I was there (2016) I drove hundreds of miles on A and B roads and some motorways (which I usually avoid). I honestly didn't have a single problem (never have in many visits.) Cruising on motorways at 90MPH rarely having to leave the LH lane and being overtaken as often as I was passing slower vehicles, 100% lane discipline and courtesy. No fear of being stopped by a revenue raiser.
    I hadn't been back here 2 hours before I'm wishing I had a rocket launcher on the car...
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    TLDR.

    Asking Americans about the motorcycling industry is sure to be biased by Harley nutters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GsxInShed View Post
    SLAP!

    wake up saltie your dreamin'
    Dreaming about what Katana in the shed ....only bikes and no cars ...no future for bikes...
    Bikes are luxury these days and not a form of transport needed like the old days .(there is now better public transport than ever before and students can live close to uni if they choose to)and others who choose a bike for financial reasons .....they don't exist on that same scale anymore .We have more money and luxury than ever before .
    My dad was close to his thirties before he could afford a car ,I was 21 went I Bought my car.
    And my girls ....were 18.
    Last year I think, i asked myself the question GSX what the future was for bikes in general with all that attention on..... electric cars...self driving ....next generations loosing driver skills ...am I still on the road with these fuckers bla bla bla .
    And I thought bikes in there current form maybe become .....lets say like a horse and cart in the old old old days .
    A thing of the past .
    Last year I became aware of Honda I think ,it was a self balancing bike (true or not true I don't care ,there was a idea) ....cool there is hope for the future for those fuckers who can't ride cause they have been in driverless cars looking at there phone earplugs in and playing games and trying to become millionaires without to having to work )

    If, lets say in 40 years .... driver less cars are a reality and 15 and 20 year olds don't know any better.
    The bike manufacturers might not exist anymore because of demand.
    Manufactures of bikes have to come up with a solution to keep there business ,the one who can do it the best will live
    Smart marketing (Example smart marketing .We ... are buying bottled water while we have good drinking water coming out of the tap)
    Its about marketing now, right now and for the future develop a f..n flying bike yeaaaa.
    Now don't slap me anymore .I need my rest
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    Quote Originally Posted by BusaSteve View Post
    I started riding because I couldn't afford a car...now with bikes costing more than some cars, maintenance beyond most peoples abilities, training taking forever, shit almost all drivers trying to kill us and cops using us as target practice ...its little wonder the appeal is not as strong. Add that to the shit economy...when will it ever end...and its doesn't look very optimistic. Still I'm an old cunt and dont give a flying fuck in a thunderstorm...you youngsters can have it all the way you want....lol!
    I don't know probably ridden 15,000 kays in roughly 4 months,
    I can't really tell no odometer so working it out by mpg x liters used.

    I am training my eldest son he has 7000 kays on his new lams cbr500 in 4 months and he failed his test yesterday for emergency stops and modified figure eights.

    I have like agrid used to say have no close calls no near misses and no trouble splitting on the freeway up to 100 kmh i actually think now the roads are safer for motorcycle's now than i can remember.

    The reason people crash is the same as it always has been peer group pressure riding in groups at to high a speed and over confidence two fatalities and a couple of riders hospitalised in the last two weeks which had some of these involved. i am choosing to ride solo and quick when it suits me if i become a statistic then i did something wrong not the other guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZAZL View Post
    Saltie is a different bloke. He's not from Bunbury either.
    What the !!! I am definitely not from Bunby they are weirdos with to many personalities . People in the East they are normal ...
    Hang on the neighbour is outside in the nude .......Got to go the poor basterd has got dementia ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by GsxInShed View Post
    SLAP!

    wake up saltbush your dreamin'

    Edit for that euroloving azazl...better now..?
    We all have a bit of Euro in us ,You may love yourself to my friend
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    Back in the day the advertising slogan was you meet the nicest people riding a Honda, now its own the race track. Its a first world problem and as said a 17 year old can buy a car and its probably going to be cheaper to run overall over 12 months than a new lams bike. They are seen as a luxury item now. Ask anyone who has a family they will tell you if you live in the suburbs these days two car families are the norm, there goes the bike budget for a shit load of people who learnt.

    The other thing ive always said is that i think motorcycling has gone the same way windsurfing did, in the eighties windsurfing's popularity grew massively because it was cool and fun and every one could afford to do it and it was easy to learn, then they made it more expensive and harder and more specialised till it got to the point that it was too expensive, technically too hard and no one could do it. Windsurfing died. right there. it died as a popular sport. dead.
    I cant help it if your perceptions don't match my reality


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    I blame all the mums, wives and girlfriends saying "You're not riding a motorbike"
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwillia View Post
    I blame all the mums, wives and girlfriends saying "You're not riding a motorbike"
    More specifically the problem is
    why dont They ride?
    Note: this may not be the universe where the above is relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwillia View Post
    I blame all the mums, wives and girlfriends saying "You're not riding a motorbike"
    That saying hasn't changed neither have sayings like this one
    From when i first started riding, a carpenter mate of the old man's working in the morgue the appprentice says i have just bought a motorcycle and the mortician says to him i will be seeing you in here soon.
    The way a lot of people see us unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic View Post
    Back in the day the advertising slogan was you meet the nicest people riding a Honda, now its own the race track. Its a first world problem and as said a 17 year old can buy a car and its probably going to be cheaper to run overall over 12 months than a new lams bike. They are seen as a luxury item now. Ask anyone who has a family they will tell you if you live in the suburbs these days two car families are the norm, there goes the bike budget for a shit load of people who learnt.

    The other thing ive always said is that i think motorcycling has gone the same way windsurfing did, in the eighties windsurfing's popularity grew massively because it was cool and fun and every one could afford to do it and it was easy to learn, then they made it more expensive and harder and more specialised till it got to the point that it was too expensive, technically too hard and no one could do it. Windsurfing died. right there. it died as a popular sport. dead.
    Yer, very good, an noted, Comig from surfing in the late 1960s. Iíve seen some dramatic changes an whatís been affordable versus capabilities, but one the most responsible for giving people a choice about what they ride so they can avoid to learn the skill of surfing is the boogie boards.
    Education an skillset is the only way to proceed to a higher level, an not be suck in to environment for people to make shit load of money out of a bloody rubber mat that almost brought surfing to it knees.
    I hear so many good motorcycle riders just get together for one thing, the ride.

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    Hmmm.

    Introduce young Johnny to bikes when he is young.

    Buy him a little dirt bike for Xmas. Then boots...and a helmet... and gloves.... and a jersey or pants.
    Cost? Letís assume about 4K.

    Great, now where do we take him so he can ride?
    About 150 kís away, or in the shitty bog holes that Perth has to offer, complete with car wrecks and bits of tin.

    Yeah? Fuck that,buy him a footy instead.

    Now, Johnny gets older, except now his Mum is exposed to nothing but hoon riders or riders getting killed every 5 mins on the news.
    A new bike will cost about 15 k minimum. Plus the boots...and a helmet...and a jacket...and gloves...

    Yeah? Fuck that, buy him a Hyundai instead.

    Now, letís refer to young Daisy.

    She would like to ride, albeit against Mums wishes, but even just looking at bikes exposes her to fuckwits trying to hit on her at every bike shop.
    And all they want to sell her is a R1 , just like theirs. Unfortunately, Daisy doesnít have such a small penis.

    Letís not mention intersections , social gatherings or anything that might involve middle aged males who havenít yet discovered fucking pushbikes.

    Now she has to commute to work down the Freeway, the residence of ultimate fuckwitttery.

    Fuck that, Dad instead buys her a new i30 and sends her off on a gap year.

    The media never mention bikes unless someone dies.
    There is no advertising on mainstream channels in prime time, except when the MotoGP is on and the ads are repeated ad nauseum until you are unconscious.



    And this is in Australia, where we have the best climate conducive to riding in the planet. Meanwhile, Europe and the US are balls deep in snow for half the year.

    The industry is in trouble because of itself and itís 50 year old attitudes.

    200 hp bikes designed for the City, and no where to park them? ( donít you dare park on the pathways cunts 🙄 )

    Might be time for a complete rethink of who will butter your bread for the next 50 years...
    Sventek, being a predominantly lazy fuck can you please purchase some for me, bring me the stuff, create something I want after you think of it for me then clean my house, wash my car, dog, bike breathe for me.

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    My Bantam fell over. So what? I pick it up, a bit of pipe over the foot leg and bend it back to shape.

    A plastic coated new 250 falls over and we see young people here looking for parts that they can't afford. The latest road race replica, you want fries with that? It must have an after market exhaust made of exotic material, change the leavers etc. now try and sell it see what it's worth?

    Bikes went from cheap transport to hand bag accessory. Look at the cost to maintain, the price of tyres alone and distance they last compared to my car. A bike is not cheap transport. My car uses less fuel than my BMW. It's more comfortable as well.

    Who does not consider the ramifications of having fun on some twisty road with explaining to their partner just how much was that fine?

    Bikes became better than we ever dreamt of but at a cost. I loved my time with bikes the friends the fun, exploring, the wind, the weather, the challenge.

    The old bikes did everything, now we have so much choice and specialisation that you would need three bikes to do that.

    There is nothing on the market that I aspire to own now. The days of lusting after a new bike are gone.

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    In 1970 i had wanted to get Norton Comando 750 from the a bloke who lived down the road from us , but years later 2005 i got my st1300 Honda traveled 138 000 kilometers and in December 2015 i got a Honda vfr1200, better on fuel economy than the car, the cost of good gloves, boots, back protector, leather coat , helmet , Kevlar jeans Euro 2 standard all add up, am I still enjoy riding a big yes , I have enjoyed helping some people by shadowing them.
    The risks are there in riding but with the right training to be be aware of the tell tail signs of cars pulling out, traveling in the shadow so that a car doesn't pull out in front of you ,traveling at a pace that you can react to the hazards whether it's a pothole, gravel on a corner .
    Last point i would like to see young men not be dickhead's calm down and encourage women to ride by leading by example of a slower pace and courteous riding.
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