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    Iím sure that for the most,there All ways be the those garage projects, an bring that bike with that awesome sound back life, the sense of satisfaction, an then spending the day riding it. Then coming home. Looking back on it with a cold beer.chillin over a sunset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saltie View Post
    Iím sure that for the most,there All ways be the those garage projects, an bring that bike with that awesome sound back life, the sense of satisfaction, an then spending the day riding it. Then coming home. Looking back on it with a cold beer.chillin over a sunset.
    Sure. But you need to know what end of Allen Key to hold to make the screw tight.

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    I am reading some good advice from old heads in this thread , and remember old men were once young men.
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    I never considered costs when buying a bike.

    Yeh it was in the back of my mind that there would be upkeep and maintenance.

    I ride 'cause you have to be in the moment, on point and focused. I sit over the fuel tank that is placed on top of the motor- I can feel the engine through my whole being..

    I have to balance, anticipate, counter, interpret , react... and in all that enjoy. Bike riding does it for me... the line in a corner-- the g slight as it might be... leaning into the wind and into a corner..

    I can feel the grip or lack of it on cold tyres...I hear the pads bite the rotors when I brake... I feel the frame flex when pushed hard..

    I can reverse engineer the bikes I ride... "lighter stronger faster" better teck for tyres....brakes...tuning methods... In the end it's how I want it...

    That's why I ride.

    EDIT... Now do a fkn survey on that......!!!!
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    One other thing i think that works against the industry in Australia is the perception of machinery. As mentioned perception is you have to +200bhp on tap, a first gear thats over the national road speed limit, a riding position thats more cramped than a ww2 Japanese midget sub and/or have sunk $20k on a "big" boys bike to have fun.

    Expensive high performance machinery has become the accepted norm and anything below it is cheap shit or worse, a "learner bike".

    Example the general rundown of Aldi bike gear thats made to recognised standards or the need to dump the LAMS bike after 12 months to get a "big" bike to go fast. Get off your LAMS bike when you can out ride it, or its physically too small, thats my opinion..

    In 90% of the motorcycling world Australia's current top end crop of "LAMS" bikes would be a lusted after status symbol. I hate the term "learner" bikes as its used now, its even now part of the way the motorcycling industry and now government ( !!!! ) describe what i think as affordable, all round, but capable, everyday motorcycles for the average guy / girl to have some fun on. Theres no social stigma to driving a 4 cylinder car for a young person by older drivers its encouraged as a sensible option.

    Drop the term learner. Who as a proud teenager or early 20's guy wants to ride whats referred to from others as a "learner" motorcycle. These arent learner motorcycles, a naked 125 4 stroke with crashbars is a learner motorcycle. I think they should just refer it it as a general motorcycle licence, whereas the open class should be "high performance" or something like that, go back to calling it what it is.....

    oh and apparently a seat height of 780mm on a LAMS bike is low seat height, WTF.

    Talk about industry marketing destroying itself. Your alienating the very market your trying to capture and therefore you perpetuate a cycle thats not embracing new riders and the market will get smaller and smaller and older and older.

    sorry if its turned into a rant. One of my dreams has always to have owned my own motorcycle dealership, i saw an opportunity a few years ago and started to evaluate and write a business case, as part of that theres market evaluation. This above ^^^ was one of the conclusions I came to very early on, one of my dreams will go unforfilled until the industry changes and that makes heretic a sad panda.
    I cant help it if your perceptions don't match my reality


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    I started my motor bike riding journey like many others...with a push bike. When I was 14, I got my moped "licence", which, at the time, you got by riding a moped up and down the street and sitting a theory test. 100$ and you had your cheap form of transport. A tank of fuel got you about 250km and cost $5. But you had your freedom and were able to visit mates further away than your push bike range would allow.

    At 16, I got my 80cc licence and that got you on the freeway! 110km/h max speed, but my word, now I was able to go through the Eiffel region, and with that to the NŁrburgring! More rides and more freedom! Still quite affordable at about $300, but now there was a proper 1hr test with the instructor and assessor following you in a car. And you had to sit a theory test again.

    At 18, I got my licence for bikes up to 34hp and now a whole new world opened up for rides and fun! But still I had to take at least 12hrs with an instructor and it got more expensive. $1000 for the licence and again an hr test.

    At 20, I was finally allowed to do my test for the open class bike under the same conditions as before.

    There is a good progression from push bike to open class bike, which, in the current "I want it now!" generation, seems to be frowned upon. And I think in that lies the problem for the industry, not in advertising or model of bikes, it's the current generation of young people, who have no pathway to grow with bikes and don't want to wait for that pathway to be made available to them.

    The government has to take a big chunk of responsibility for the current state of young kids, who as others said before, don't want to take a risk, in fear of either getting ridiculed by the old folks, or arrested for being an irresponsible hoon...
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    Stephan raised good points. I grew slowly through bikes Bantam, Bushman 175, 250 single, 350 twin and bought first big bike 13 years after getting my licence.

    I have noticed that a 250 that we would have relished as a first bike is considered an inconvenience in the step to an R1. After that what is next?

    We also have responsiblity, we wanted faster, lighter, quicker, more technology and manufacturers listened.

    There are so many other interests now for younger people. I have seen friends sons show no interest in cars and bikes as they got to mid Teans.

    Motorcycles are better, clothing better, but head out of town and check out who is riding? Grey hairs seem to predominate.

    My daughter the other day when traveling country in the car with me also said none of her friends were interested in a drive to Jarrahdale for breakfast. Seems shopping centres have won.
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    Cops/politicians spoiled it for me...always worrying about a rear facer pinging me as I safely 'speed' past a slower vehicle. Now we get done for having a number plate at any angle other than upright but car drivers can stack three or more bicycles on a rear carrier and fully block their rear number plate with impunity.

    We are living in a boring, dull, and over-protected present with too many rules and regulations and a shitload of careful drivers who would like nothing more than to dobb us in for riding our perceived insane choice of transport at speeds higher than the sensible zero hero's 24 kilometres an hour.
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    Many good points raised in this thread.

    I haven't ridden since the track-day at Collie. I'm actually wondering what the point in keeping my wizz-bang new plastic-covered super-lightweight etc etc etc R1 is, when I can buy a much cheaper POS bike, turn it into a trackie and not worry about registration/insurance/cagers/speed cameras.
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    More good points raised in this thread.

    I will say that LAMS bike sales are actually somewhat healthy (in comparison to other segments of the market). More choices than ever for a first (or second, or third..) bike. I can't believe that bikes like the MT-07 are learner-legal. They're fast, fun, easy to ride, stop well (especially in comparison to bikes of old), are happy on the freeway and two-up. I'll often take one home for the night or when running errands. You guys are right that they shouldn't be dismissed as "learner" bikes - if LAMS weren't a thing, one would consider them "middleweights".

    What has really died in the last couple of years post-boom are big bike / sportbike sales. Things are tough for a lot of people all over and $18Kish for a 600cc or $24+ K for a 1,000cc super weapon / weekend toy is a much harder argument with the spouse than a $13K MT-09 (or similar).

    The international market has shifted away from sportbikes towards nakeds, and the dual-sport/adventure market has also grown considerably.

    But yeah, TL;DR = Australian motorcycle sales are in a slump, discretionary spending is low, the economy is shit. :\ It's a buyer's market at the moment with so many choices & sales on new bikes, as well as a lot of cash-strapped private sellers offloading their second-hand bikes just to pay the bills.
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    I like my MT07 so much I've decided to keep it
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    Quote Originally Posted by BusaSteve View Post
    Cops/politicians spoiled it for me...always worrying about a rear facer pinging me as I safely 'speed' past a slower vehicle. Now we get done for having a number plate at any angle other than upright but car drivers can stack three or more bicycles on a rear carrier and fully block their rear number plate with impunity.

    We are living in a boring, dull, and over-protected present with too many rules and regulations and a shitload of careful drivers who would like nothing more than to dobb us in for riding our perceived insane choice of transport at speeds higher than the sensible zero hero's 24 kilometres an hour.
    A cunt named Inspector Salmon out of Midland bike TEG cost me $450 over this sort of thing. Hope his little cock drops off any day now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graelin View Post
    My daughter the other day when traveling country in the car with me also said none of her friends were interested in a drive to Jarrahdale for breakfast. Seems shopping centres have won.
    Out of the range of free WIFI does such a place even exist? how do people function? The article turned up on a another forum what got me was the unfathomable depths of they marketing industry in self belief that they can fix anything you just need to give them more money. I guess when the whole premise of your industry is dribbling crap self belief is all you have to hang onto.

    PSB and similar Perth based groups aren't exactly know for venturing far from the CBD on a regular basis plenty have pissed and moaned Collie is too far away. Although thats I guess not too bad when most of Perth still seems to think bridges (an invention thats been around since prehistoric man) are some kind of black magic with the whole North of the river South of the river thing.
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    What with the new speed cameras, the persecution of lane splitters, the heavy handed targeting of motorcyclists over licences and other anti motorcycling tactics of the WA govt it might be time to downsize to a middleweight or relocate to another state. This sort of stuff was happening in Europe until bikers got political and started lobbying MP's. Who fights for our rights in WA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTRdownunder View Post
    What with the new speed cameras, the persecution of lane splitters, the heavy handed targeting of motorcyclists over licences and other anti motorcycling tactics of the WA govt it might be time to downsize to a middleweight or relocate to another state. This sort of stuff was happening in Europe until bikers got political and started lobbying MP's. Who fights for our rights in WA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero Diablo View Post
    LOL just looked. I gotta love their mission statement, I'll look forward to making the next meeting in the back room of the where the fuck are we bar with the retired committee and the three remaining members.


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    Let those who ride decide - not doing such a good job so far

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    CHOICE, I felt many years ago that motorcycling would not be out right banned. We would be given the choice to ride or not to ride. The increasing restrictions placed on riding will influence this choice. A dangerous goods driver truck got caught speeding on his bike (much less than hoon speed) only to find they removed his right to work! Some truck drivers now choose not to ride.

    There is always the race track for those who decide the restrictions and risk of the road are not worth it any more.

    Except in WA. How come NZ has Pukekohe, Hampden Downs and Taupo tracks relatively close with a small population? I drove past Hampden Downs on a week day and cars were on it. I was offered tickets to Taupo free for that weekend.

    Oh yes WA used to have the World Rally Championship. A lot of work and effort by many thrown out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graelin View Post
    CHOICE, I felt many years ago that motorcycling would not be out right banned. We would be given the choice to ride or not to ride. The increasing restrictions placed on riding will influence this choice. A dangerous goods driver truck got caught speeding on his bike (much less than hoon speed) only to find they removed his right to work! Some truck drivers now choose not to ride.

    There is always the race track for those who decide the restrictions and risk of the road are not worth it any more.

    Except in WA. How come NZ has Pukekohe, Hampden Downs and Taupo tracks relatively close with a small population? I drove past Hampden Downs on a week day and cars were on it. I was offered tickets to Taupo free for that weekend.

    Oh yes WA used to have the World Rally Championship. A lot of work and effort by many thrown out.
    And yet how much money was spent/wasted on the new stadium/casino appendage & Elizabeth Quay? Politicians only have an interest in a cause if there is something of benefit for them. Motorsport in WA is an ultra minority interest by the looks of things. I find this strange considering we have the climate & space available. Mountain bike enthusiasts have a better chance of gaining support for facilities than us. Looks like this industry needs some serious PR.

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    Anything left to a politician will always be decided by what's in it for me....there isn't one politician I would piss on if they were on fire.
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