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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBoof View Post
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    In south Australia a similar scheme has been in place for many many years although it was 12 months, I doubt the change will have little impact the people that don't get the bigger license after 12 months will be either cautious or too poor to immediately run out and buy the biggest baddest thing available. People affected by this scheme have also had the option to run around on a 500cc plus LAMS bike so they won't have necessarily come from a sub 200 cc 15hp machine.

    Relatively inexperienced riders on a new more powerful bike will be high risk they always have been not much has changed IMO, so will people who think they know what they are doing. A couple of O turns and indicating when the law requires for 30minutes one time isn't going to have a big impact on things.
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    makes sense, the R test is a fucking joke any way, what is the point of R test in town no faster than 60
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    Hazard perception and low speed control (uturn)

    They can’t introduce a curry run now can they
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halo_2 View Post
    Hazard perception and low speed control (uturn)

    They can’t introduce a curry run now can they
    Why .. new riders don't like curry..?

    Should at least do freeway entry and exit points in traffic......whatcha reckon?
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    So much easier for DOT to hand out info between my mate and his girlfriends dog, then to produce an actual document or media statement or put the info on their web page(fuck that)..just need to PM PerthNow on Facebook then they can run a story to make the changes official

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    Are there any instructors offering open class lessons on thou's or high-powered bikes??

    Most seem to offer easy to ride (and pass tests on) upright position bikes in the 600cc range keeping them quite learner friendly anyway. Pass on that you can legally ride a thou+ the same day anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sauer View Post
    Are there any instructors offering open class lessons on thou's or high-powered bikes??

    Most seem to offer easy to ride (and pass tests on) upright position bikes in the 600cc range keeping them quite learner friendly anyway. Pass on that you can legally ride a thou+ the same day anyway...
    It seems everyone wants to go straight to a thou when i was younger it was an 1100 nothing has really changed there what has changed is the power to weight 202 hp and 200 kg for the new gsxr1000r 1 hp per kg, verses a xs 1100 115 hp and 320 kg.

    I reckon as has alway's been the case peer group pressure and wanting to have that thou people are buying them before they are ready or good enough to ride them even if they have a unrestricted licence turboR1 is right for sure ,which is why there are so many of them written off every year ,maybe people should work their way up in 250 cc increments like a lot of us had to.

    Rich parents buying fast cars and bikes for 17 year old's has often ended in tragedy ,don't race it learn slowly and ride a long time.
    Mate stick to the facts not a fantasy.

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    R test doesn’t teach you shit, 2 years of lams should be ok for moving up, how do they know who’s done real road ks vs who’s not ridden since they got their license?
    There’s no restrictions on what car you can drive from day one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryanoceros View Post
    How is that any different to the current system we have ? You could spend your RE restriction on a postie, and then buy and ride a busa the day you pass your R class test. The R class test does not give you the required skillset to handle a motorcycle at speed, so your post is irrelevant.
    This. It actually means someone has to wait 2 years to get a hyperbike instead of just 1 year. So that's 1 year of more riding experience.

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    If you are really old you will remember when a motorcycle License was exactly that. A Motorcycle License.
    A motorcycle had two wheels and an engine size this big /.................../.
    Was the Injury/Fatality rate higher?
    Reality, “No.” considering all the advancements.
    The naive youngsters will ‘bat themselves silly’ in an argument that bikes are more powerful now which is true, put them on a Mach III or IV from the early 70s and ask them to go quick on those things then ask them if they are under powered.
    You can kill yourself on a Ninja 250 as easy as you can on a RR.
    The common factor is the connection between the brain and right hand.
    I doubt if it is only myself that has noticed passing an RE and R class license doesn’t actually make you a motorcyclist.
    The accident rate for us is high in single vehicle statistics. Why? We aren’t taught what to do when a corner or bend goes pear shaped.
    When was the last time your Instructor or License Examiner told you, “When it goes bad just keep tipping it in. Chances are you will make it around the bend. If it low sides your chances are heaps better than standing it up and spearing into a tree.”
    No.
    The mentality is, “If you don’t speed it will never happen.” And that is bullshit on its own.
    Motorcycles two wheel drift. Get used to the feeling. You still end up going around the corner.
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    ^^ true enough..^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMeanie View Post
    If you are really old you will remember when a motorcycle License was exactly that. A Motorcycle License.
    A motorcycle had two wheels and an engine size this big /.................../.
    Was the Injury/Fatality rate higher?
    Reality, “No.” considering all the advancements.
    The naive youngsters will ‘bat themselves silly’ in an argument that bikes are more powerful now which is true, put them on a Mach III or IV from the early 70s and ask them to go quick on those things then ask them if they are under powered.
    You can kill yourself on a Ninja 250 as easy as you can on a RR.
    The common factor is the connection between the brain and right hand.
    I doubt if it is only myself that has noticed passing an RE and R class license doesn’t actually make you a motorcyclist.
    The accident rate for us is high in single vehicle statistics. Why? We aren’t taught what to do when a corner or bend goes pear shaped.
    When was the last time your Instructor or License Examiner told you, “When it goes bad just keep tipping it in. Chances are you will make it around the bend. If it low sides your chances are heaps better than standing it up and spearing into a tree.”
    No.
    The mentality is, “If you don’t speed it will never happen.” And that is bullshit on its own.
    Motorcycles two wheel drift. Get used to the feeling. You still end up going around the corner.
    Most sensible comment in the whole thread.
    It is quite difficult in reality to keep tipping in though, when you truly believe you will crash. Regardless of knowledge instinct is very difficult to fight without training.

    Edit: And who are you calling old?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMeanie View Post
    If you are really old you will remember when a motorcycle License was exactly that. A Motorcycle License.
    A motorcycle had two wheels and an engine size this big /.................../.
    Was the Injury/Fatality rate higher?
    Reality, “No.” considering all the advancements.
    The naive youngsters will ‘bat themselves silly’ in an argument that bikes are more powerful now which is true, put them on a Mach III or IV from the early 70s and ask them to go quick on those things then ask them if they are under powered.
    You can kill yourself on a Ninja 250 as easy as you can on a RR.
    The common factor is the connection between the brain and right hand.
    I doubt if it is only myself that has noticed passing an RE and R class license doesn’t actually make you a motorcyclist.
    The accident rate for us is high in single vehicle statistics. Why? We aren’t taught what to do when a corner or bend goes pear shaped.
    When was the last time your Instructor or License Examiner told you, “When it goes bad just keep tipping it in. Chances are you will make it around the bend. If it low sides your chances are heaps better than standing it up and spearing into a tree.”
    No.
    The mentality is, “If you don’t speed it will never happen.” And that is bullshit on its own.
    Motorcycles two wheel drift. Get used to the feeling. You still end up going around the corner.
    Thank you.
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    The latest Road Safety Council ads that are on the telly prove my point.
    You know. The honky nut that grows to mammoth proportions as soon as you hit exactly 61kph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMeanie View Post
    If you are really old you will remember when a motorcycle License was exactly that. A Motorcycle License.
    A motorcycle had two wheels and an engine size this big /.................../.
    Was the Injury/Fatality rate higher?
    Reality, “No.” considering all the advancements.
    The naive youngsters will ‘bat themselves silly’ in an argument that bikes are more powerful now which is true, put them on a Mach III or IV from the early 70s and ask them to go quick on those things then ask them if they are under powered.
    You can kill yourself on a Ninja 250 as easy as you can on a RR.
    The common factor is the connection between the brain and right hand.
    I doubt if it is only myself that has noticed passing an RE and R class license doesn’t actually make you a motorcyclist.
    The accident rate for us is high in single vehicle statistics. Why? We aren’t taught what to do when a corner or bend goes pear shaped.
    When was the last time your Instructor or License Examiner told you, “When it goes bad just keep tipping it in. Chances are you will make it around the bend. If it low sides your chances are heaps better than standing it up and spearing into a tree.”
    No.
    The mentality is, “If you don’t speed it will never happen.” And that is bullshit on its own.
    Motorcycles two wheel drift. Get used to the feeling. You still end up going around the corner.
    This


    Best post i have now read on here ,worded exactly as i would have liked too ,read carefully new rider's.
    Mate stick to the facts not a fantasy.

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    I wasn't scared before I saw that advert
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    The other bullshit myth taught is road position.
    Sit in the middle.
    Fuck them!
    In the middle of the road, the middle of a multi lane.
    Shit happens!
    You have two directions you can make a decision to head if shit happens.
    Fucking left hand wheel track in suburbia? You can only go right! Left smashes you into the fucking curb.
    That Cunt should be shot.
    The exception being crests. Move to the left. There will always be an arsehole on a bike or in a cage that thought they had enough room to pass.

    Race lines.
    Use the fucking things everytime you ride.
    If you look at a standard road and you use race lines but only using your half of the road, your road position using them puts you as far as possible away from on coming traffic as possible.
    It doesn’t matter, left or right hand corners bends etc.
    You are as far as possible from Cagers that over cook corners, ie go in to hard.
    The places they will be if they fuck up you will be as far away as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMeanie View Post
    If you are really old you will remember when a motorcycle License was exactly that. A Motorcycle License.
    A motorcycle had two wheels and an engine size this big /.................../.
    Was the Injury/Fatality rate higher?
    Reality, “No.” considering all the advancements.
    The naive youngsters will ‘bat themselves silly’ in an argument that bikes are more powerful now which is true, put them on a Mach III or IV from the early 70s and ask them to go quick on those things then ask them if they are under powered.
    You can kill yourself on a Ninja 250 as easy as you can on a RR.
    The common factor is the connection between the brain and right hand.
    I doubt if it is only myself that has noticed passing an RE and R class license doesn’t actually make you a motorcyclist.
    The accident rate for us is high in single vehicle statistics. Why? We aren’t taught what to do when a corner or bend goes pear shaped.
    When was the last time your Instructor or License Examiner told you, “When it goes bad just keep tipping it in. Chances are you will make it around the bend. If it low sides your chances are heaps better than standing it up and spearing into a tree.”
    No.
    The mentality is, “If you don’t speed it will never happen.” And that is bullshit on its own.
    Motorcycles two wheel drift. Get used to the feeling. You still end up going around the corner.
    Brilliant. How many riders are tested on anything more than a right or left at the next intersection? This is much different that sweepers and country road corners.

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    The other two points gm made road position and race lines are exactly what i teach rider's and one other important one to me two fingers on the front brake lever has saved me hundred's of time's ,apparently they teach you not to these day's they are wrong you want to go with their idea fine ,but do the math's speed ,then reaction time ,then more time to roll off and get your fingers onto the brakes = a fair distance travelled and you lose most of your speed at the end of braking.

    Lane position pulled over once to chat to lurch in 84 young constable tells me he want's to book me for travelling close to the centerline instead of left hand wheel line ,i say i find you live longer that way lurch tells him i am right and just drop it.

    Race lines i do the same see around the corner for as long as you can try for the apex ,if you see gravel don't over correct ride through it and just control the slide if you have ridden dirt bike's you already know what to do.And if you have to much corner speed brake as long as you can then tip in and commit better to lowside and survive than run off and hit a tree panic braking which just stands the bike up.

    All good points made by this gm guy who obviously knows what he is talking about.
    Mate stick to the facts not a fantasy.

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